Against the Che movie

[Cloud]

Im not sure, but i feel that the upcoming Che movie is going to create a "scene" image and is going to cause much more nonsense then sense. I think a lot of people are going to see this movie, merchandise as much unnessecary shit with Che on it as they can, and are going to begin preaching nonsense. Im not saying i wish to stop this film, i just want to hear everyones veiws on it.

I think the film is a great idea, especially if they narrow all the facts to the bone, but i have a twitching sense that this movie is going to create a lot of controversy in the youth with senseless "arguments" and false ambitions of who Che was. Im not sure who agrees with me, but if a revolution lies in anyone then it is the youth. This is a very futuristic veiws, but suppose you had a public speech, getting your veiws out, people could begin to become more ignorant with "Che would probably agree to not do that" and stupid shit because people are stupid. I think a lot of people are going to miss the point of this movie and is going to make people more stupid. Opinions?

[karmaradical]

I think this film is going to spread the cult of personality. This may not actually be a bad thing. If anything has helped the chicano movement down here in the Southwest it seems to be the Latino and Mexican connection to the Che figure. Just generates good passion. Plus its fun to see kids having a communist revolutionary as a role model.

Plus Hollywood liberals seem to have a soft spot for socialists everynow and then. I think they will get it down fairly well.

[MurderInc]

They'll just have to add a scene or two with him tearing down the road in his motorcycle to rescue Jennifer Aniston before Dennis Hopper dices her into pieces.

I'm thinking Orlando Bloom and Rosario Dawson, the thing will write itself!

[Abakua]

It's only a movie, it is entertainment.

[Just Dave]

Good and bad points, good first, it will probably glamorise the class struggle, and will defintaley lead to a lot of peoples socialist 'awakening', but the bad thing is it will absaloutley slaughter Che Guevaras reputation in that a lot of multi nationals are going to be exploiting his memory

[The Grey Blur]

People exploit certain people's fame to generate a quick buck, it's going on now and it's always been going. Personally, I've stopped asking people, "so you're a Socialist" if they're wearing a Che shirt since I saw a guy with a marijuana leaf and Che's face on a shirt

Fuckin' twats

[Comrade Yev]

I don't think people understand that when they pay $20 for a shirt with Che's Guerilla Heroica image on it, they are continuing the exploitation of his image.

[The Grey Blur]

I don't think they'd care if they did understand

[Janus]

It may be a terrible movie. Let's hope that it stays objective and doesn't try to destroy Che's image or glorify it too much. Hopefully, it will get some viewers to become interested in Che and consequently the leftist movement.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

If it does discredit Che we must counter it by setting up demonstrations across the world.

I am saying this from a realistic viewpoint.

[Global_Justice]

i think it will make people get into socialism

about 1 year ago i had no interest in socialism, i didn't know about it. i hated fascism and imperialism and disliked americas foreign policy. but then i watched motorcycle diaries. i loved it, so i started reading about che. then i liked what i read, so i started reading more left wing literature and started reading more about socialism and communism.

watching che in a movie won't make people socialist, but i think, like it did for me, it will make people more inclined to do there own research into it, read more about it and form an opinion.

[Cercet_LatinoLeader]

Lets get it together Guy's, It's only a movie, That kind of shyt doesn't help people make up their mind! young minds maybe but grown ups i don't think so, most won't probably even support the movie! People need to go in the books & read! knowledge is power people!

[barista.marxista]

I think it's peculiar that that Guerrilla and V for Vendetta, two (relatively) very leftist movies, are coming out so close together.

Man, now I'm all paranoid and shit... ¬_¬

[Janus]

I think it's peculiar that that Guerrilla and V for Vendetta, two (relatively) very leftist movies, are coming out so close together.
V for Vendetta came out in March. If all goes to planned, Guerrilla will come out in January of 2007. How is that close.


I think we're all geting a little too excited over the movie. If you think it will be crap then don't watch it.

[drain.you]

i dont think it will have much more effect than Motorcycle Diaries but I could be wrong. It will give us all the more reason to shout for the left.

[Rollo]

I'm sure nazis were saying these same things about hitler when that hitler movie came out. Just made him look like a bigger asshole.

[Si Pinto]

The thing with Che is that he was always a 'very reluctant hero' even an 'anti-hero' figure.

Remember what he said......"I'm neither Christ nor Philanthropist....I'm the complete opposite of Christ....I fight with whatever arms I have at hand for what I believe in, and try to destroy my opponent rather than letting myself be nailed to a cross or anywhere else".

I don't 'worship' Che because he isn't someone 'immortal' or 'godlike', and I'm not a sycophant.

He didn't proclaim any great communistic theories (nothing we haven't heard elsewhere anyway).

I just admire the fact that he actually DID something, lots of things actually.

He left his own country and a probably quite lucrative career as a doctor behind and set out to help emancipate Cuba, and then the Congo and finally Bolivia.

He went around the world trying to get other people to do the same.

He didn't sit behind a desk telling everyone else to do it...he actually did it himself...right to the very end, and he knew his end was going to come eventually.

As a communist thinker, he might not rank very high....but as a revolutionary prepared to sacrifice himself for what he believed in...he has no peers (he as a few equals like the others who died as well)...not in modern times anyway.

If the film can portray this properly than that's good.

[Rollo]

Exactly, I just hope they don't make him look like the devil.... Or jesus...

[Bachelorguitar]

Totally Che wasnt trying to be published and famous you know he wanted to change the government and bring awarness to capitalism and its flaws. I think that is why he is so great, in my mind

[Rollo]

I think the movie should be more about the guerilla movement rather than be based on che himself. Every other person fought like che.

[pastradamus]

When Is this che movie due to come out? I think that if you keep playing it down then you wont enjoy it, no matter how good it is.

[RedAnarchist]

http://imdb.com/title/tt0374569/ is the IMDB page for the film.

[chevive]

Personally, I'm in favor of anything that brings Che to the public's attention. I know that most people won't go beyond just seeing the film, but an intelligent minority will want to know more, and perhaps they will read a good biography (Jon Lee Anderson's springs to mind) or, better, Che's own writings.

[pastradamus]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 23 2006, 12:42 PM
People exploit certain people's fame to generate a quick buck, it's going on now and it's always been going. Personally, I've stopped asking people, "so you're a Socialist" if they're wearing a Che shirt since I saw a guy with a marijuana leaf and Che's face on a shirt

Fuckin' twats
LOL. If I got a penny for everytime I quizzed a t-shirt wearer on his socialism.
Personally I hold nothing against a guy wearing a che t-shirt as long as he knows and supports what che was about.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Even if it doesn't give in to the mainstream American view of socialism (socialism's bad, mkay - although with Soderberg directing I don't think it'll go completely right-wing) liberties will be taken with the truth.

For example, I noticed that one of the characters it Tamara Bunke, an East German guerilla Che allegedly had an affair with; I feel a romantic sub-plot coming on.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Sir Aunty [email protected] 12 2006, 03:47 AM
Even if it doesn't give in to the mainstream American view of socialism (socialism's bad, mkay - although with Soderberg directing I don't think it'll go completely right-wing) liberties will be taken with the truth.

For example, I noticed that one of the characters it Tamara Bunke, an East German guerilla Che allegedly had an affair with; I feel a romantic sub-plot coming on.
That would ruin EVERYTHING.

[chebol]

Si pinto wrote:

As a communist thinker, he might not rank very high....

Actually, if you can bothered looking for it, some of Che's writings are particularly complicated, well-thought out and prescient pieces.

Unfortunately, much of this is still in spanish, or unreleased, but there is enough out there to get a handle on his more theoretical ideas - there is the Carlos Tablada book on Che's theories on economics and the transition to socialism, there is the material from the "Great Debate" with Mandel and Bettelheim, and now (but only in spanish so far - I have been niggling Deutschmann for years for the translation which is apparently underway in mexico), Che's critical analysis of the soviet manual on political economy.

There is a lot more on it's way too - the Che Guevara foundation, and Ocean Books are making a concerted effort to get this onfo out far and wide - although there is a new focus on making the material available, cheaply, for latin american audiences.

Of course, some of Che's ideas were wrong too, or falsely premissed. He had a wee bit of an ultra-left bent (but then, after thousands more read his works in latin america, 'ultra-left' may become the mainstream). Still, keep your eyes open (do a search).

[yns_mr]

those fuckin' capitalists are trying to earn money via che...

[An archist]

I don't think you can have an opinion about a film you haven't even seen.
but a che film might just turn teens towards communism, who knows?

[zein al-abdeen]

it was just a matter of time before they attak everything that stands for communism,they will start it with attaking che so they can stop every thought that goes inside the youth's heads telling them to ask about him to ask about what he stands for.
this movie is going to be a very big hit in our faces................

[Pirate Utopian]

i think it's gonna portray Che has romanticus, a noble charming man and dontreally mention the fact he was a Communist

[xule]

i'm quite worried about people seeing the film and thinking they automatically knwo everything about che - that happens all the time. but i dont really care. i'll prolly see it. and there'll prolly be the prats that think seeing it automatically makes them che experts, but they wont take the experience away me. their idiocy will only entertain me further ;)

[Big Boss]

Let's just wait for the damn movie to come out, then say whatever you want.