Similarities Between Communism and Anarchism?

[Vendetta]

Are there many similarities other than the whole...'smash the current system, it's fucked up' kinda thing?

Just interested.

[Dyst]

I don't see why you would want anything more than "smash the current system, it's fucked up".

But if for some reason you do, it is that both are opposed to the state (though many marxists thinks it will simply wither away). Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

More and more people mix anarchism and marxism in their "worldvidew".

[zero_ware]

Well, this has been said in many threads, but i'll say it here, Anarchism and Communism are both working toward a similar goal. How each of them get there are the differences. Here are some articles that you can compare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by Carolina [email protected] 21 2006, 12:12 AM
Are there many similarities other than the whole...'smash the current system, it's fucked up' kinda thing?

Just interested.
It is basicly the same thing. Most anarchist throughout history has been communists and shared the exactly same goals as other communists, such as marxists for example. There is no antagonism betweeen communism and anarchism, the difference is rather between anarchism and marxism. But many marxist tendencys such as council communism, left communism, insurrectionist marxism and situationism is mucg closer to most schools of anarchism then it is to leninist marxism, et.c. So the division between marxism and anarchism does not have to be very large at all.

I view myself as a marxist, but I feel that I have much more in common with many anarchists then I have with many marxists (leninists, social democrats etc).



"Anarchism is naturally innate in man: communism is the logical extrapolation from it." - Nestor Makhno

[bolshevik butcher]

Leninists are insurectionists.

[Vendetta]

Thanks. Like I said, I was just interested.

[Black Dagger]

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

:lol: You hope?! There's no such thing as an 'anarcho-capitalist', right libertarians in the US have merely appropiated the term 'anarchy' to describe their masturbatory fantasy of an unfettered market economy.

[FinnMacCool]

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

No anarchist supports capitalism. There are some so called "Anarcho capitalists" who are based SOLEY in America but thats about it. Anarchist and Capitalism is a contradiction in terms.

With that aside, anarchism and communism are the exact same thing EXCEPT anarchists want to go to a classless society right away while communists want a transistional period.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Both rely on the community working together to achieve the greater good. Both blieve in common ownership. Both envision the state or society to be ruled by everyone and no one, they just differ in ways of getting to the perfect society.

[bolshevik butcher]

What about libertarian (individualist) anarchists as opposed to syndiclist (collectivist) anarchists, they can be pretty right wing.

[karmaradical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:38 PM

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

No anarchist supports capitalism. There are some so called "Anarcho capitalists" who are based SOLEY in America but thats about it. Anarchist and Capitalism is a contradiction in terms.


I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well. Bad Time Party Bus.

[RevMARKSman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

[FinnMacCool]

Originally posted by karmaradical+May 22 2006, 06:47 PM--> (karmaradical @ May 22 2006, 06:47 PM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 07:38 PM

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

No anarchist supports capitalism. There are some so called "Anarcho capitalists" who are based SOLEY in America but thats about it. Anarchist and Capitalism is a contradiction in terms.


I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well. Bad Time Party Bus. [/b]
Aw god damn it. .

Anarcho capitalism is the stupidest thing to come out of politics recently. It's almost like advocating 19th century feudalism.

[karmaradical]

Originally posted by FinnMacCool+May 23 2006, 12:34 AM--> (FinnMacCool @ May 23 2006, 12:34 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 06:47 PM

[email protected] 22 2006, 07:38 PM

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

No anarchist supports capitalism. There are some so called "Anarcho capitalists" who are based SOLEY in America but thats about it. Anarchist and Capitalism is a contradiction in terms.


I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well. Bad Time Party Bus.
Aw god damn it. .

Anarcho capitalism is the stupidest thing to come out of politics recently. It's almost like advocating 19th century feudalism. [/b]
I beleive that pretty much sums up what Anarcho-Capitalism is.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 11:47 PM
I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well.
What Europeans are "anarcho"capitalists?

[bcbm]

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't make any sense from the get-go, since "capitalist" doesn't describe one who believes in capitalism, but rather one who that has capital and invests it.

[karmaradical]

Originally posted by Morpheus+May 23 2006, 02:42 AM--> (Morpheus @ May 23 2006, 02:42 AM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 11:47 PM
I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well.
What Europeans are "anarcho"capitalists? [/b]
Here's one:
http://lemennicier.bwm-mediasoft.com/index...one=1&&limba=en (http://lemennicier.bwm-mediasoft.com/index.php?none=1&&limba=en)

Here is another:
http://www.libertari.org/

Just because they are European doesnt mean they escape the realm of idiocy that lies in the womb of anarcho-capitalism.

[FinnMacCool]

Ew they're objectivists too! Never argue with an objectevist. They are insane.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by karmaradical+May 23 2006, 12:47 AM--> (karmaradical @ May 23 2006, 12:47 AM)
[email protected] 22 2006, 07:38 PM

Some anarchists are not opposed to capitalism yet this is less than half (I hope).

No anarchist supports capitalism. There are some so called "Anarcho capitalists" who are based SOLEY in America but thats about it. Anarchist and Capitalism is a contradiction in terms.


I'm very sorry to say your wrong. There are European "Anarcho-Capitalists" as well. Bad Time Party Bus. [/b]
Not to any extent. We have perhaps 10 (possibly less) anarcho-capitalists in Sweden. Maybe a few hundred in entire europe... And thats a maximum.

[Dyst]

Yeah, most people I know (in Norway) considers anarchism to be a strictly left wing ideology, maybe more so than communism even.

Though of course they don't consider it can be seen as more or less the same thing.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 22 2006, 11:11 PM
What about libertarian (individualist) anarchists as opposed to syndiclist (collectivist) anarchists, they can be pretty right wing.
That makes no sense.

[Black Dagger]

I think he's confusing right-libertarians, i.e. anti-state pro-capitalists & individualists with ordinary libertarians in the anarchist sense, who are anti-state but also anti-capitalist.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 24 2006, 06:37 PM
I think he's confusing right-libertarians, i.e. anti-state pro-capitalists & individualists with ordinary libertarians in the anarchist sense, who are anti-state but also anti-capitalist.
You think you're so clever...!

[Black Dagger]

Well am i? :D

[bolshevik butcher]

Actually he's pretty much right. I've come accross individuals describing themselves as libertarian anarchists and they basically invisaged a world of egoists without a state, rather than the collectivist principles of anarcho-communism.