Communism= Zombies?

[R_P_A_S]

I know that there's much more to learn and that's fine, but with the little info that I know about Communism It seems to me that asking people to live amongst each other with out any real opinions, freedom to get "something" nicer than the next guy, having ambition, and aspiring wanting more and better your self seems a bit self fish and close minded.

After all doesn't that make us all unique and special? That we can challenge ourselves to strive for more and set goals for us, and our family? It seems to me that with communism everyone will just walk around like Zombies working. Working, and living a routine life and eventually someone is going to crack. Not necessarily because that person is greedy or selfish but because we love and want challenges in life and reach our goals etc!

It just seems unfair to me to expect or want EVERYONE to live, work and play for the benefit of everyone and in return what do you really get? Ok, the education, health care, the fact that the work you put in strengths the people and your country. But in reality you are expected to continue doing so for the rest of your life?

It's like living at your parents’ house till you die. You all work as a family to pay the bills, you own the property/land, the house, All of you work for together to buy a “family car” for everyone and things for everyone to share amongst each other. And all are equal as a family. BUT you never had the chance to go out, leave and get married, never traveled, you never experienced all aspects of life, and you never reached your goals because you never actually made any for yourself. Because you were expected to stay in the house with your parents and provide for it’s benefit and well being. Of them, your brothers and sisters and of course you! What a waste of life if you ask me.

Noticed I never mention making more money than others, owning better things or such superficial things. I’m just talking about the natural human instinct of determination and the feeling of fulfillment when you accomplish goals you set. Thriving for more and getting there!

As I am down for Socialism and think it has a better shot than communism…
MAYBE or PROBABLY I'm confused.. STILL! lol

But that’s just my opinion. I think the ball should stop rolling when it gets to Socialism because people need an identity that makes us all unique and the opportunity to better our selves. OFCOURSE! With out forgetting our values, our people, and our country.
That should always come first. Not the exploitation of others, NOT MONEY, and NOT POWER

[anomaly]

First of all, communism is a stateless, classless society. It also will neccesarily have a very great productive output of goods and services. This will make money impactical, so we won't use it.


I’m just talking about the natural human instinct of determination and the feeling of fulfillment when you accomplish goals you set. Thriving for more and getting there!
Yes, I enjoy all of the above. But capitalism hinders my opportunity to reach my goals. I have to have the money. In return for this, capitalism gives one success.

I always find it odd when we hear from cappies that we all have 'equal opportunity'. Because that is so obviously bullshit. Is my 'opportunity' to 'succeed' really as great as the Bush daughters? Is it really as great as Bill Gate's children? Of course not.

But in communism, when private property is gone and communal property exists, when we all get what we need, we will then have the freedom to do what we want. I have yet to hear of a system which offers more freedom and liberty than communism does.

Following from this, we will of course have opportunity to 'be unique'.


It just seems unfair to me to expect or want EVERYONE to live, work and play for the benefit of everyone and in return what do you really get?
A lot of freedom, the opportunity to live a decent life without 'social superiors', all the material neccesities for life, and anything else that can be widely produced. Other than that, you don't get shit. ;)

[barista.marxista]

http://www.mediainspiration.com/contents/artist_gallery/gallery_images/largeimages/zombie.gif

"Rar! I'm communism! Brains taste so much better than surplus-value!

[R_P_A_S]

what about the example i gave... the living with your parents one. didn't pick anything out of that one?

[Nachie]

http://www.urbandead.com

[anomaly]

I thought that was just an extended metaphor.

I think I covered most of it in my other response. If there is a specific question you have about that metaphor, ask away manggg.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 04:51 AM
I thought that was just an extended metaphor.

I think I covered most of it in my other response. If there is a specific question you have about that metaphor, ask away manggg.
not at the moment. im trying to finish here at work and head out! i have a long car ride to Vancouver Canada from Los Angeles waiting for me.

Anyways I think communism is a beautiful concept/idea or whatever it's supposed to be classified. just like the paradise and garden of eden is a great concept and thought. but we all know what happened there.

Not to be pesimistic but I highly doubted it could work today, or in the future. It sad but so far history has proven this true. reguardless I will continue to read and learn about it because I respect it and want to be able to educate my self more on it. who knows? maybe one day I will change my mind!

[Nachie]

communism ain't about "getting there", it's about the crazyass ride.

:redstar2000:

[midnight marauder]

MAYBE or PROBABLY I'm confused.. STILL! lol


:lol:, it's okay, everyone has a right to be confused! The key thing when understanding and evalutating the status of "work" under communism is that it's completely different than the the modern idea of "work" that's been brought about by capitalism.

Work under communism is not defined by what's easy for a person, what makes them money, or the social status that their occupation brings about, it's about what they enjoy doing, and the satisfaction that they get by providing their services to society. Communism grants each and every indivdual (as opposed to capitalism, or some concepts of socialism) the oppurtunity to do what they love to do; to choose to spend their time working for their community in whatever way they see fit. People aren't forced into jobs by pressure, by need, or any other bourgeois factor; people do what makes them happy.

This is why communism provides all people full individuality: individuality not determined by what one person possesses that another doesn't and individuality determined not by how much money one makes.

In brief, communism shifts the focus of individuality away from material possessions, and back to the individual



It's like living at your parents’ house till you die. You all work as a family to pay the bills, you own the property/land, the house, All of you work for together to buy a “family car” for everyone and things for everyone to share amongst each other. And all are equal as a family. BUT you never had the chance to go out, leave and get married, never traveled, you never experienced all aspects of life, and you never reached your goals because you never actually made any for yourself. Because you were expected to stay in the house with your parents and provide for it’s benefit and well being. Of them, your brothers and sisters and of course you! What a waste of life if you ask me.


Going hand in hand with the ability to occupy your time working towards the wellbeing of your community is the ability to set your own goals. Communism isn't a punishment and we aren't forcing people to spend their lives in a single community working until, as you say, they "crack". The lack of the ability to set one's own goals and live one's life how s/z/he pleases is one of the key reasons we leftists oppose capitalism. Under our current economic paradigm, and even perhaps under some forms of socialism, the ability to set a person's own goals is restricted to those who have the monetary means with which to do so. One of the major reasons communism exists in the first place is to remove this need.

Of course, this post is only focusing on the one aspect of work. Under the new system, people aren't simply spending their lives working themselves to oblivion: they also have the ability to exercise their individuality through art, through education, etc.

Without liberating the opportunity to be an individual, I doubt most of us would be communists! :lol:


Hope this helps,

Juice

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 04:09 AM
freedom to get "something" nicer than the next guy
Ask the next guy if that's freedom.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 04:31 AM
http://www.mediainspiration.com/contents/artist_gallery/gallery_images/largeimages/zombie.gif

"Rar! I'm communism! Brains taste so much better than surplus-value!
:lol: I saw this about an hour ago, and I am still crackin' up.

Thanks for the laugh comrade barista.marxista