Another School Shooting Plot Foiled

[Capitalist Lawyer]

What do communists think of school shootings? Are they justified in their rage at the school establishment? It would appear that communists and anarchists alike would express sympathy or perhaps outright support of someone who would shoot up their teachers and their classmates.

After all, aren't they just killing oppressors and potential oppressors?




Police Chief Randy Finkey said he fielded numerous calls from parents Monday night after rumors of the girls' plan reached students' homes. Some parents were worried that the girls had been planning to shoot others, he said.

"It became apparent that as word of this traveled through the student body, it was embellished quite a bit from the girls' original statements," Finkey said. "Their statements had been greatly expanded to a Columbine-type incident."

Meanwhile, a third middle school student was suspended after making threatening statements about the incident during a bus ride home from school Monday, Fry said.

The student, whose name also was not released, said the students' suicide plan would be helped along despite school officials' actions, Fry said. A bus driver and students reported those comments to district officials.

State police were notified about the comments because the bus was not in Newville police's jurisdiction when the threat was made, Fry said. State police are investigating similar comments reportedly made by another student after school was dismissed, Fry said.

School Principal Linda Wilson was not at the school yesterday and could not be reached for comment. Assistant Principal William August referred questions to Fry.

http://www.pennlive.com/printer/printer.ss...ll=1&thispage=2 (http://www.pennlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/114785687677990.xml&coll=1&thispage=2)

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

:lol: :lol:

Give me a fucking break. Communists support school shootouts, in other words the killing of innocents? Get a life!
:lol:

[The Grey Blur]

Aye aye mate

Away and swing your lally

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

School shootings are terrible when they happen, but the reaction to them has been less than rational - as if banning dark clothing and trenchcoats is going prevent another incident like Columbine.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Capitalist Lawyer
What do communists think of school shootings?

Depends on who they shoot, doesn't it?

Random shootings are sort of stupid and pointless. But shooting bullies or really obnoxious authority figures wouldn't bother me at all.

It's not a very effective strategy but it certainly "sends a message".

Anything bad that happens to bullies (adult or adolescent) is, in all likelihood, simply what they have coming to them! :angry:

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PS: This is not advocacy...I am not telling anyone here to go shoot anybody as a "step" towards revolution. But if some kids choose to take this path and actually kill some real assholes, I will not condemn them.

[amanondeathrow]

redstar2000

Anything bad that happens to bullies (adult or adolescent) is, in all likelihood, simply what they have coming to them! mad.gif

You don't know why a bully acts the way he does. He may have been abused ect. Of course that does not excuse them from responsibility, but killing someone who may have made fun of you after being abused is completely unjustifiable and should definitely be condemned.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Dee's Nuts
You don't know why a bully acts the way he does.

Nor do I give a fuck! :angry:

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[Capitalist Lawyer]

Depends on who they shoot, doesn't it?

It's no secret that you're fundamentalist, anti-religion--frankly though, your anger towards Christian fundamentalists is justified and understandable, but they are only a very tiny minority in this country.

But your utter contempt for ALL types of religious people is rather...well irrational IMO. If you payed attention to the Columbine shootings, they specifically targeted the so-called "Christian Believers" along with their teachers and other types of "normals".

So what is your opinion in regards to ordinary Christians (who aren't fundamentalist witch-burners) being targeted in the Columbine shootings? It would seem that you and your fellow communists would support such a venture.

One of the Columbine victims


Cassie Bernall, 17.
---------------------------------
Became a born-again Christian in
1997, and became active in church
youth programs and Bible study
groups.

http://www.cassiebernall.com

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Shooting someone for being a bully is totally out of sync with what goes on in schools.

In my opinion you have to have a legitimate reason to establish such a massive use of authority over another human. You in effect need to prove why you should have the authority to kill someone.

If they, or someone else can prove that they have legitimate authority, then fair enough. But its a mighty burden to prove.

Personally, i would say giving a bully a real fucking hidin' is enough.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by redstar2000+May 17 2006, 07:40 PM--> (redstar2000 @ May 17 2006, 07:40 PM)
Capitalist Lawyer
What do communists think of school shootings?

Depends on who they shoot, doesn't it?

Random shootings are sort of stupid and pointless. But shooting bullies or really obnoxious authority figures wouldn't bother me at all.

It's not a very effective strategy but it certainly "sends a message".

Anything bad that happens to bullies (adult or adolescent) is, in all likelihood, simply what they have coming to them! :angry:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

PS: This is not advocacy...I am not telling anyone here to go shoot anybody as a "step" towards revolution. But if some kids choose to take this path and actually kill some real assholes, I will not condemn them. [/b]
I concur entirely. Getting rid of awful people like that does the future; and the world, a favor.

[Tupac-Amaru]

I suspect that RedStar and CubSocialista were bullied at skool or something. :lol:

Even if they did call your mom a hoe, and steal your lunch money and punch your ass...that DOES NOT JUSTIFY taking someone's life!! If you think that's a proper punishment for bullying you got major psychological issues!! Geez!! I mean come on man! Think about what you said! :(

The most basic right of all humans is the right to life...and you can't just go up to them and shoot away their rights just cose they made you miserable in skool! That's fiendish! barbaric! beastly!

The only "message" its sending is that you're are one disturbed child...nothing else.

[Nachie]

An article about this (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060426225835333)

[redstar2000]

I suggest that Capitalist Lawyer and Tupac-Amaru read the excellent article linked to by Nachie.

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[Tupac-Amaru]

I have read it. It's not "excellent" at all, its ridiculous. Calling upon the readers to "hunt down" a person?!!! Using coarse language?!! Calling people a "big, mean hog, but he's also an incredibly stupid, evil piece of shit". LOL! You call that good journalism? Man...maybe that's the kind of stuff youre used to from the Socialist Worker, or Pravda...but let me tell ya...its NOT excellent.

Anyway...this article doesnt really give us anymore insight into what we were discussing, it just gives the name of a bully, and the kind of shit he did and where he is now...not that helpfull.

My point still stands: even thow someone treated you terribly doesn't give the right to kill him (or her)...NOTHING gives the right to take someone else's life.

But naturally, i dont expect you to agree RedStar, as i said to you once before in another thread...i can't help a lost cause. :(

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Tupac-[email protected] 18 2006, 02:28 AM
My point still stands: even thow someone treated you terribly doesn't give the right to kill him (or her)...NOTHING gives the right to take someone else's life.
Your point is meaningless. No one is saying that anyone has the "right" to kill bullies, just that they don't really give a fuck when it happens.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 18 2006, 10:53 AM

No one is saying that anyone has the "right" to kill bullies
I think that what CubaSocialista said could be interpreted as advocating the murder of bullies:

Getting rid of awful people like that does the future; and the world, a favor



they don't really give a fuck when it happens

Don't you think that's wrong?
Don't you commies believe in human rights? Don't you beleive that the most fundamental right of all humans is the right to life?

People should most definitely "give a fuck" when something like this happens.

[Comrade J]

I'm all for living people, I think they're great. However, when it's a scummy fascist who has never seen a streak of justice in his life, and he's the indirect cause of these killings and is known to have been a brutal, sick racist, I value his life about as much as the life of a piece of grass.
And I certainly 'give a fuck' whether something like this happens, as in I certainly fucking hope it does.

This man's life has no real value, what right does he have to live when he is the personified 'gutter' of the human race? He regularly picked on the Jewish guy, even violently assaulting him, just because of his race! Quite frankly, his life has no real value, and I wouldn't ask or order anybody to kill him or beat him up, I really wouldn't give a damn if someone did.
The only thing that is slightly off putting is he has a 2 year old son. Still, the child would do better without such a father figure, as he's most likely going to become the enemy in 16 years or so, and be just like his ol' man was.

[Nachie]

Originally posted by Tupac-[email protected] 18 2006, 11:29 AM
Don't you commies believe in human rights?
I believe in human liberation.

[red team]

Alright then, tell me this. Why isn't this piece-of-shit of a human being in prison where he belongs. There is such a thing as assault and harassment laws, but I guess these laws don't apply when you're "just a kid" in highschool. How absurd. If you act like this in prison you won't last long for you to get shived.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

From the article:


remember, in the aftermath of Columbine, Klebold and Harris have been repeatedly compared to Hitler (even though Harris explicity denounced racism and Nazis)

Oh really? So, what was the significance of the date: April 20?


But Klebold and Harris did leave behind a few tantalizing hints about their state of mind as they plotted to blow up their school and blow away their classmates, hints that we would be wise to consider. Documents seized from the suspects' homes by Jefferson County sheriff's investigators indicate that they were obsessed with Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. They seem to have planned the assault to commemorate the Nazi dictator's 110th birthday. Eyewitnesses say that they purposely executed Isaiah Shoels, a diminutive black football player, as well as two girls who were known as devout Christians.

The killers' fascination with Hitler and their targeting of Christians and blacks, combined with their apparent preoccupation with "industrial" music, together suggest the possible influence of a fascistic youth subculture that has inspired horrific violence elsewhere. Clues about what appeals to the "Trench Coat Mafia" and other young alienated wannabes can be found in publications like Hit List, a zine that covers punk, metal and other categories of the counterculture. The first issue, featuring a burning church on its cover, came out last February with an almost eerily prescient theme: "The Politics of Black Metal." The lead article by Kevin Coogan, an expert investigator of the far right, plunges into the dank milieu where screeching, atonal bands with names like Mayhem, Morbid Angel, Deicide and Darkthrone exploit Satanic, pagan and Nazi imagery to create an atmosphere of shock.

http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/1999/05...azis/print.html (http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/1999/05/04/nazis/print.html)



while Hoffschneider, a violent, cruel, girlfriend-smacking, anti-Semitic fuck,

So why didn't the two clowns kill this guy?

[KC]

Oh really? So, what was the significance of the date: April 20?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_20

[Americancommi]

we had one of the students fromo colombine talk to our school and said that they said rascist things to a black student before killing him.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 17 2006, 08:18 PM

Depends on who they shoot, doesn't it?

It's no secret that you're fundamentalist, anti-religion--frankly though, your anger towards Christian fundamentalists is justified and understandable, but they are only a very tiny minority in this country.

But your utter contempt for ALL types of religious people is rather...well irrational IMO. If you payed attention to the Columbine shootings, they specifically targeted the so-called "Christian Believers" along with their teachers and other types of "normals".

So what is your opinion in regards to ordinary Christians (who aren't fundamentalist witch-burners) being targeted in the Columbine shootings? It would seem that you and your fellow communists would support such a venture.

One of the Columbine victims


Cassie Bernall, 17.
---------------------------------
Became a born-again Christian in
1997, and became active in church
youth programs and Bible study
groups.

http://www.cassiebernall.com
:lol: You're trying to connect Communism to Columbine? Commubine?

[Shredder]

These things are usually done by fascists, or else primitivists who think society should be destroyed and we should live in tribes.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 06:23 AM
These things are usually done by fascists, or else primitivists who think society should be destroyed and we should live in tribes.
But what if, by sheer chance, they target some of your known "enemies"?

Jocks, Christians, conservative honor students, authority figures, ROTC people, student government officers, hall monitors, etc?

Wouldnt' it seem like they would be considered a "brief ally" in the struggle against "oppression"? Sort of like the Muslim extremeists in the middle east struggling against "American/British imperialism"?

Do any of you see the connections here? You camps have the same enemies but for entirely different reasons.

[greymatter]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 20 2006, 05:30 PM
Do any of you see the connections here? You camps have the same enemies but for entirely different reasons.
So? Killing a bunch of religious kids accomplishes nothing.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

we had one of the students fromo colombine talk to our school and said that they said rascist things to a black student before killing him.

That's right, and that information I posted from salon.com pointed out this fact, therefore pointing out the inaccuracies of the article that Redstar applauded.