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Correa
16th May 2006, 20:33
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BY MARIA JULIA MAYORAL, PEDRO DE LA HOZ AND JOSE DE LA OSA—
Granma daily staff writers—

PRESIDENT Fidel Castro has challenged and called on Bush, the CIA, the 33 U.S. intelligence agencies, the thousands of banks in the world and the "servants" of Forbes magazine, which claims that Fidel has a fortune of $900 million, to prove that he has even one dollar in an overseas account.

In exchange for just one shred of evidence, he said that he would offer them everything that they have tried and failed to do over almost half a century, during which time they have tried to destroy the Revolution and assassinate him via hundreds of conspiracies. "I’m giving you everything you’ve tried," he said, "and don’t come with your foolishness and wayside stories. Show me an account, of just one dollar," he emphasized.

"If they can prove that I have one single dollar, I will resign from all my responsibilities and the duties I am carrying out; they won’t need any more plans or transitions, if they can prove that I have one single dollar," the revolutionary leader said emphatically.

"They’ve gotten themselves in a real fix with those lies, and that Gordian knot must be broken, and we’re going to break it, without the slightest doubt," he affirmed, referring to the U.S. publication attributing him with all the returns of the country’s public enterprises.

"Why would I want money, if I’m soon to be 80 and I didn’t want it before?" Fidel asked, adding that during his life he had entrenched himself in principles and had never abandoned them.

He said that he had been calculating the number of suitcases it would take to carry around that amount of money, and commented that it would be about 1,000. "Who took them? On what airplane? Who carried them, who escorted them? How could I be taking out money for so many years? They are stupid, aside from the moral arguments that could be brandished."

"It’s simply an insult," he added. He accused them of wanting to make him look like one of the thieves that they nursed. "Where is Mobuto’s money? Where is the Somoza family’s money?" Fidel said that in the United States, there are hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars stolen via U.S. banks. "There they are: bring out the lists, publish them," he said.

Fidel said what was much more horrible than "painting" him as a thief was making him seem to be betraying the dead, those who died in the Moncada attack, aboard the Granma, in the Sierra Maestra, in the Escambray, in the Bay of Pigs, on internationalist missions or defending the country from terrorist attacks. It would be like betraying entire generations who have fought, he emphasized.

The president added that what the Forbes "bandits" should publish is his Olympic record, throughout history, of being the person whom the most powerful empire on Earth has tried to assassinate the most times.

He noted the contrast that while those infamies against Cuba and its leaders are being churned out, the country is working on a program that will enable millions of Latin Americans to receive restorative eye surgery.

Referring to the thousands of patients who have benefited from Operation Miracle, Fidel asked what those people would think when they read the newspapers talking about his personal wealth. "It is a campaign to make me look like a thief," he said, adding that it had a goal: to destroy Cuba, to make Castro look like a crook so that nobody will acknowledge anything that is done to benefit others, even though we are a country that has some 25,000 health professionals working free of charge in a large number of countries.

"And that is because we have human capital, and we certainly can rely on $100 billion in human capital," he commented.

He read what had been published by several media agencies echoing the libel published by Forbes, and noted that while deliberate lies were being published, nothing has been said about the almost 20,000 Latin American medical students studying in Cuba, or the fact that this country will be educating almost 100,000 doctors over the coming years.

CCCPneubauten
16th May 2006, 20:36
But...what if they...you know...DO find something?

Purple
16th May 2006, 21:06
Seriously doubt that they will..

But theoretically, I wonder what would happen if the US manufactured an account that could be proven to be Fidel's....

Janus
16th May 2006, 21:07
I doubt Castro is actually bluffing here. Knowing the CIA, they will check and probably have. After all, Forbes really had no hard evidence that Castro actually owned that much. He's a president not a monarch.

Janus
16th May 2006, 21:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 08:06 PM
Seriously doubt that they will..

But theoretically, I wonder what would happen if the US manufactured an account that could be proven to be Fidel's....
They could but I doubt they would invest all that time just to try to frame him. But then Fidel would ask more evidence that he actually withdrew money and made transactions through that account. The Swiss banks are supposed to quite professional and secure so it would be difficult to do that without hacking or whatever.

Correa
16th May 2006, 21:43
This is the best Forbes can do......

From Forbes: For another controversial dictator, Fidel Castro, we assume he has economic control over a web of state-owned companies, including El Palacio de Convenciones, a convention center near Havana; Cimex, retail conglomerate; and Medicuba, which sells vaccines and other pharmaceuticals produced in Cuba. Former Cuban officials insist Castro, who travels exclusively in a fleet of black Mercedes, has skimmed profits from these outfits for years. To come up with a net worth figure, we use a discounted cash flow method to value these companies and then assume a portion of that profit stream goes to Castro. To be conservative, we don’t try to estimate any past profits he may have pocketed, though we have heard rumors of large stashes in Swiss bank accounts. Castro, for the record disagrees, insisting his personal net worth is zero.


For another controversial dictator
Dictator?


Former Cuban officials insist Castro, who travels exclusively in a fleet of black Mercedes

This is just laughable! Try a cuban military "jeep" with no top and engine trouble. Or better yet walking the streets of Havana.


To come up with a net worth figure, we use a discounted cash flow method to value these companies and then assume a portion of that profit stream goes to Castro.

Forbes shoots itself in the foot claiming themselves that this is all an assumption! Fools!


To be conservative, we don’t try to estimate any past profits he may have pocketed, though we have heard rumors of large stashes in Swiss bank accounts. Castro, for the record disagrees, insisting his personal net worth is zero.

Yeah well "rumors" don't count as a sound premise to argue that Castro "may" have pocketed "profits."

drain.you
16th May 2006, 21:45
I dont think Castro is the kinda guy who would trust any overseas banks with his money, especially if it was $900 mil.
He wouldn't say stuff like this if he knew he had money somewhere.

Baby Olly
17th May 2006, 03:47
Castro is a hero. Regardless of what you think of his politics, he's stayed in power ruling over a relatively stable nation since the early 60's- and without resorting to open war the entire time (I know he sends 'advisors' here and there, but so do we on a MUCH larger scale). On top of that, he's withstood enormous pressure from the most powerful nation on earth, and from only a few miles away! You might not like him personally, but he does deserve profesional respect.

MurderInc
17th May 2006, 05:29
Dictator? Nigga please......

Like him or dislike him, he is a dictator. It's absurd to reason otherwise.

drain.you
17th May 2006, 09:55
Nigga please......
I dont think thats appropriate language, dude.

The Grey Blur
17th May 2006, 18:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 04:29 AM

Dictator? Nigga please......

Like him or dislike him, he is a dictator. It's absurd to reason otherwise.
No, a dictator enforces a system of ruling over his people - Cubans desire and prefer their state capitalist system over the free market

The CDRs are extremely democratic as well

Correa
17th May 2006, 19:13
Don't confuse his time in office versus forcefully maintaining his position. He has been president all this time because the people of Cuba want him. The day they think otherwise down goes Castro, but until then he remains.

Tekun
18th May 2006, 10:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 04:29 AM

Dictator? Nigga please......

Like him or dislike him, he is a dictator. It's absurd to reason otherwise.
He's been president of the Council of State since the establishment of the constitution, 1975 I believe

In addition, a dictator creates, passes, and enforces laws...in Cuba, the National Assembly makes the laws
And guess what, the National Assembly is made up of representatives voted in by the Cuban ppl
Far from a dictatorship

Ander
20th May 2006, 15:51
Although this is extremely interesting and I will be watching this closely...

Did no one else raise an eyebrow at the mention of 33 U.S. intelligence agencies? That is a lot! I had no idea there were that many..

Red Polak
20th May 2006, 16:25
I have a feeling that Castro will soon find himself $1 richer...

Ander
20th May 2006, 16:36
Well, what if Castro did have all (or some) of this money...isn't there a way he could hide it somehow?

One of the first things I thought was "Maybe he's only giving this offer NOW is because he's had time to cover his tracks."

Just an idea.

OkaCrisis
21st May 2006, 05:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 03:43 PM
From Forbes: For another controversial dictator, Fidel Castro, we assume he has economic control over a web of state-owned companies, including El Palacio de Convenciones, a convention center near Havana; Cimex, retail conglomerate; and Medicuba, which sells vaccines and other pharmaceuticals produced in Cuba. Former Cuban officials insist Castro, who travels exclusively in a fleet of black Mercedes, has skimmed profits from these outfits for years. To come up with a net worth figure, we use a discounted cash flow method to value these companies and then assume a portion of that profit stream goes to Castro. To be conservative, we don’t try to estimate any past profits he may have pocketed, though we have heard rumors of large stashes in Swiss bank accounts. Castro, for the record disagrees, insisting his personal net worth is zero.
It's funny because I bet they make this assumption based on the monetary "policies" that (probably) exist across the board in the US, from the state to it's crony corporations. They base their criticisms on the crooked actions of American (and other capitalist nations) companies and institutions, without thinking for a second that maybe Fidel wants no part of expropriating wealth from the public.


"Where is Mobuto’s money? Where is the Somoza family’s money?" Fidel said that in the United States, there are hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars stolen via U.S. banks. "There they are: bring out the lists, publish them," he said.

Damn right.

LoneRed
21st May 2006, 05:26
once again the US capitalists are trying to put the blame game on Castro when they themselves are the grandest of the known manipulators of money, stolen millions of dollars from the working class... well i guess the capitalists believe it was just "productivity"

Entrails Konfetti
21st May 2006, 06:09
I smell a Wendy's add with a Castro impersonator.

You think the actor will pick a frosty or a cup of chili for a buck?

LoneRed
21st May 2006, 06:17
Frosty, as its quite warm in the tropics.

Entrails Konfetti
21st May 2006, 06:40
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/Fernee914/28835297.jpg

In all seriousness I doubt he has a dollar in bank accounts. And I don't mean this in any form of slander.

Janus
21st May 2006, 09:01
What can Forbes do except make a bunch of speculations?

If Fidel actually had a large account, the CIA would probably know by now and would've released the info. with true evidence (they probably have an entire department working on this now :lol: ).

Karl Marx's Camel
21st May 2006, 10:06
He's a president not a monarch.

So?


Anywho, it is obvious Fidel lives a much more comfortable life than the ordinary Cuban. And yes, he probably lives in relatively luxury compared to the average cuban. But to think he has billions of dollars is crazy.

Karl Marx's Camel
21st May 2006, 10:11
To come up with a net worth figure, we use a discounted cash flow method to value these companies and then assume a portion of that profit stream goes to Castro.

Where does Forbes say that?

All it says on Forbes page is:


Comandante since 1959. We estimate his fortune based on his economic power over a web of state-owned companies including El Palacio de Convenciones, a convention center near Havana; Cimex, retail conglomerate; and Medicuba, which sells vaccines and other pharmaceuticals produced in Cuba. Former Cuban officials living in U.S. assert that he has long skimmed profits. Castro insists his net worth is zero.

Correa
21st May 2006, 17:57
I copied and pasted the entire paragraph from Forbes' website. Perhaps they have changed their wordplay since then. I know I would've, they made a weak arguement with no foundation.

McLeft
25th May 2006, 19:34
Well Forbes itself is bullshit.