Communism in 2010

[Czar]

the way i look at it, any one of you with your political belifes have the chance to impliment it into our government. not today, but soon.
the Revolution will begin when democracy fucks up

After the poeple impeach the people in office for the sever mess they've made, the anarchy will reign. this will give the people freedom to do what they want.

but then as soon as that gets old, the people will be so war torn from not having a government. they will be looking for the fastes answer that they think will get results in a hurry.

this is our chance, see. Just grab a soap box and get out ino the street, and give your speech on how you think your form of governement will work, and everyone will blindly follow it like a bad religion.

consider it.

but remember, this is only my opinion. what do you think?

[Nachie]

The Mayan Calendar says 2012, so you're two years off ;)

[rebelworker]

In North America we probably got at least another 30-50 years to go...

The state is strong, when people get angry its usually at one leader or party not the system.

We need to organise like hell and hope in the future we have more influence than the religeous right.

buckle down for the ong haul kiddies ;)

Dtanding on a soap box will at best get you ignored, at worst it will make all revolutionaries look crazy <_<

[EusebioScrib]

Thank you Nostradamus :rolleyes:

[amanondeathrow]

There is really no way to predict when a hypothetical Marxist revolution will take place.

Even if conditions seem perfect for a revolution, society could easily move in the other direction. The great depression of the 1930s was a good example.

We talk all we want about how the world is finally developing into the perfect situation for revolution, but there is no guarantee anything will happen unless we take action alongside the whole working class.

[Janus]

The exact time is pretty much uncertain though I hear that ComradeRed is working on it. I guess that it can be mathematically judged to a degree though it won&#39;t be certain unless the masses believe that it can occur. We do not see that right now as the majority of the populace are still strongly opposed to communism. All we can be sure of right now is that capitalism cannot last forever.

[MurderInc]

Where will this happen. In my country, a new President will be sworn into office January 20, 2009. This means he (or she, perhaps Hillary Clinton) will have one year to prepare for the Revolution. I think you are sniffing glue.

[Cloud]

Or we can go out there now working together. There are over a thousand people on this site. If we could all organize together we could go make a change. But people are unreliable so i doubt there is anyway more then 10 people would truely organize.

[Fistful of Steel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:02 PM
the Revolution will begin when democracy fucks up
Democracy will begin when capitalism fucks up, I think you mean.

[Ander]

What some people tend to overlook is that not everyone who posts here or even share the same beliefs is in favour of beginning a revolution. Many put faith in the democratic process instead of violent revolt.

[MurderInc]

Also, Jello, some of us here, like me, believe socialism can exist without it being a world wide movement.

Venezuela, to choose and example, can exist fully socialist after a Revolution and not involve nor threaten the United States of America.

The U.S. can have capitalism without effecting Venezuela per se.

This is where many might disagree with me, though they&#39;re being, in my view, lazy in their thinking, or so tied to Marxist dogma that they have prevented themselves from thinking beyond doctrine.

[bezdomni]

And they say dialectical materialism is irrational&#33; :lol:

[Free Left]

Nah, the way I see it, if Communism actually ever does happen it will be when coporation and companies have become so powerful that they have complete power over all aspects of life. This will take about 50-100 years. If society hasn&#39;t collapsed by then.

[Lord Testicles]

The revolution will start in mid-2007, see here (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=44861) for details. :lol:

[Angry Young Man]

I hope to get feedback on this, but I think the revolutions will start in Africa. Then South America will unite as one, eventually losing its state.
This will cause animosity from the old Bourgeois, who will send soldiers, then, like in the Russian civil war with the dockers strike, soldiers will mutiny. Gradually, the soldiers will take over the army and, to quote Luxemburg, "turn their guns on their officers".
Finally China will throw off their tyrannical "communist" government and have a real Communist revolution.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 09:36 PM
Also, Jello, some of us here, like me, believe socialism can exist without it being a world wide movement.

Venezuela, to choose and example, can exist fully socialist after a Revolution and not involve nor threaten the United States of America.

The U.S. can have capitalism without effecting Venezuela per se.

This is where many might disagree with me, though they&#39;re being, in my view, lazy in their thinking, or so tied to Marxist dogma that they have prevented themselves from thinking beyond doctrine.
So if socialism in one country would work:
1. Why did Russia fail? (apart from that Trotsky didn&#39;t become leader&#33;)
2. Why is China capitalist in communist clothes?
3. Why does Venezuela depend so much on support from Cuba and Bolivia. They are essentially a triumvate of socialist countries upon which the revolution will probably start, if not in Africa.

[Tickin&#39; TimebOmb John]

id agree with chairman mick, that unlike traditional marxist predictions, the revolution will start, and has begun in the third world. revolution in the third world is neccesary to raise the class concoiusness of first world workers, who many are today living in relative comfort due to the exploitation of third world workers. when the third world rejects the corporations that have exploited their working class so terrible, the corporations will return to the first world, where the proletariat will refuse to accept the oppression they will attept to enforce, and will join the third world in revolt against capitalism.

[Marukusu]

I belive that the glorious Red Revolution will come to "civilized" Europe first after the USA has collapsed as a hegemony, sometime between year 2010 (very optimistic) and 2020-2050 (more likely).

I also belive that the WWIII will be between China and USA (officially over Taiwan and the usual "freedom/liberty/justice/democracy"-Bushite bullshit, inofficially over the control of the world market and the status as superpower nation), and because of that there will be a new era of depression in the rest of the world. The working classes will finally lose faith in the liberal/capitalist "democratic" system and go toward more extreme ideologies like communism and (unfortunately) fascism and nazism, much like during the 1930:s.

I do certainly not belive that the great revolution that will make the world tremble will start in Africa, just because (don&#39;t get me wrong here) people up here in the cold north doesn&#39;t give a damn about Africa. To many people, Africa is a large desert/jungle full of angry and stupid black people that murder and rape eatch other all the time just for the fun of it... racism and the old "negro" prejudices is sadly far from gone, at least not in my country. Should a revolution in Africa occur, very few would take it seriously.

But that&#39;s just what I think.

[Zingu]

This is rather ridiculous. It isn&#39;t some ground set, determistic "doomsday clock" for capitalism, its really a "tendancy" when it comes to the falling rate of profit. Plus you have to take in account of the masses counsciness, the hold religion and other reactionary infulences have over them...ect.

You&#39;re not going to "predict" with your crystal orb when "the revolution" is going to begin. There lots of different variables involved. As society has become more and more advanced, the probabilty of things happening a certain way have gotten higher.

[Marukusu]

It isn&#39;t some ground set, determistic "doomsday clock" for capitalism, its really a "tendancy" when it comes to the falling rate of profit.

Perhaps, but "what comes up must come down". Everything must come to an end, including the capitalist system (that by the way also includes a future utopic communist society, sadly enough).


You&#39;re not going to "predict" with your crystal orb when "the revolution" is going to begin.

No, I&#39;m not, however I&#39;m sharing my thoughts to other comrades and I&#39;ve never said that I&#39;m some sort of nostradamic seer that has "seen the inevitable" and "so it is written so it shall be, blahablablaha".
I&#39;m far from a scientist or a doctor in the subject, but with the knowledge I have, I would say that the my future scenario I described earlier is pretty plausible.

China will (probably) either continue to rise as a superpower and threaten the USA as a hegemony, or it will (probably) fall apart and break up in many republics like the Soviet Union did.
The USA however will eventually collapse. A country that large (including it&#39;s "puppets" all around the world) and with so many and so determinated enemies and with so much social injustice simply cannot stand for long. It is foolish to think of the USA as a new "Roma Aeternam" - even Eternal Rome eventually collapsed.

Whatever you say or think, capitalism will fall: regardless if it is tomorrow or in the next millennium. People will loose faith in a society based on money and profit, and will eventually instead embrace the ideas of communism and anarchism (i.e. ideologies that doesn&#39;t include capitalism).

[Red Polak]

The revolution will come when it comes, perhaps sped up a little by various "wars on terror" and gradual errosion of our fundamental human rights.

I like the theory that it will start in a less "developed" (ie. read capitalist) country, but having thought about it recently I&#39;m unsure anymore whether that&#39;s the case. Slowly in Britain and America especially people are losing their fundamental rights. People are being arrested and practically (or in some cases actually) tortured for suspected crimes. It takes a tiny tiny bit of circumstancial evidence for a muslim man to be carted off. We&#39;re watched pretty much all the time and I think eventually people in these countries will have had enough of it. The British public is in a right state over Blair&#39;s "rule". I think given the cold war propaganda against Communism in America that people there may take longer than the Europeans to wake up.

Ways to speed it up? Start informing people that Communism is not the same as Stalinism, it wouldn&#39;t mean gulags and lack of freedom of speech. Once people realise that Communism is not what they&#39;ve been told it was all their lives they will be more willing to accept that revolution is the way forward.

ps. OP: "lynch" is the correct spelling, not "linch". ;)

[Lamanov]

The "Orthodox Marxist" scholastic economist tradition of "predicting the revolution" makes me sick to my stomack.

It sounds ever more retarded when anarchist try to do the same thing.

Isn&#39;t this eclipse of the revolutionary perspective and the confusion in the general sense of ruling ideology empyrical evidence enough for all of us to see that the shift in the global develoment of capital will postpone united working class revolutionary action for at least these two decades?

[McLeft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 12:41 AM
Or we can go out there now working together. There are over a thousand people on this site. If we could all organize together we could go make a change. But people are unreliable so i doubt there is anyway more then 10 people would truely organize.
Some of us live in other parts of the world, we&#39;re spread all over the world, I live in Europe and if we&#39;re to organise a revolution in America i&#39;d have to get money (which I don&#39;t have) to buy a plane ticket and I doubt my parents will let me go unless I escape, which I would be determined to do in a revolution scenario.

[Tickin&#39; TimebOmb John]

I do certainly not belive that the great revolution that will make the world tremble will start in Africa, just because (don&#39;t get me wrong here) people up here in the cold north doesn&#39;t give a damn about Africa

your right lots of people dont care about africa, but we do rely on africa an other third world countries for cheap commodities and if this flow of cheap commodities was to be taken away by revolution in the third world, then people would have to take notice becasue they would no longer have the luxury capitalist exploitation of the third wolrd allows.


I like the theory that it will start in a less "developed" (ie. read capitalist) country, but having thought about it recently I&#39;m unsure anymore whether that&#39;s the case. Slowly in Britain and America especially people are losing their fundamental rights

there have been serious errosion of rights in recent years in the first world, but sadly i dont see this mirrored in a rise in support for the revolutionary left. the only places where there seems to me to be considerably backing for such forces is in the third world, and i see global revolution starting there as the most pragmatic and likely way for the revolution to begin.

[piet11111]

well it would require a big crisis that forces the living condition of the proletariat to drop.
the rotting away of our pensions and health care system (both europe and north america) is not enough as we dont feel the heat yet.

im counting on the american debt to ruin our standard of living enough to atleast force poeple to accept that our current society cant last anymore forcing some class awareness.
but ofcourse the american debt is only 1 crisis that can be overcome without affecting capitalism much.
the only thing that can cause enough problems for the avarage joe would be the increasing fuel prices at the pump.
this would also affect out electricity & gas prices and bills are always a good reason to get mad.

but to put a time limit on this would be very difficult all im willing to say is that i would not be surprised if it happend in my lifetime but if it does not then i am not alive to worry about it anyway.