Bush to send troops south of the border.

[Hefer]

President Bush said Monday night he will send as many as 6,000 National Guard troops to the U.S. border with Mexico to help stop the flood of illegal immigrants, part of an administration drive to win conservative support in Congress for an election-year overhaul of the nation’s tattered immigration laws.

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This is scary and is going to increase tensions along the border. Do you think this deploment of troops are gonig to have another role other than border security? With the resent unrest in Mexico and political leftward in Latin America, is the Empire ready to strike back? :unsure:

[Iroquois Xavier]

You can never tell what the yanks are gonna do but it will probably be ten times more dumb than what they've done previously.

Apparently Bush has said that immigrants should be given chances to work in America...He's probably thinking that the more who try to get in gives his troops more targets to aim at. :P Hey they're a better shot than Border Patrol! :D

[Janus]

You might want to change the title. The National Guard troops are going to the border and not south of it (Which would mean Mexico).

With a border that large, 6000 doesn't mean much since border security is massively undermanned. However this does pose a problem, as Bush is militarizing the border.

[DrFreeman09]

It's interesting that a little while ago, Bush wanted to enstate work visas to encourage illegals to come here and become Americans... now he's sending troops to prevent them from coming... Hypocrisy, isn't it!? :unsure:

If you though John Kerry was a "flip-flopper," look at George Bush! And of course, just like 1984, he will tell the public that he never said any such thing as "work visas." It's sad... and scary...

[redflag32]

Bush is out of controll,he knows there is no other super power to stop him in his tracks.We will see allot more madness from him i fear.

[Janus]

Bush wanted to enstate work visas to encourage illegals to come here and become Americans
I'm pretty sure that it was for illegals already in the US.

There has been a lot of pressure placed on Bush to do something about the border problem and the lack of resources there. However, I don't think many thought that Bush would actually militarize the border to a degree.

[drain.you]

There are calls from the hardcore right members of the Republican party for all illegal immigrants to be simply removed from the country. These are workers that have been living in the US for years if not decades, and its not hundreds or thousands, its millions. Some republicans are truly fucked up, they live in the land of the free, the melting pot and they call for stuff like this. Fortunately enough I dont think Bush is going to go THAT far, he knows how the economy relies on them but this is bad enough.

[Dreckt]

I don't understand. Why is a militarized border "so bad"? I mean, isn't it just troops standing there and doing what these minutemen are doing?

[Janus]

Why is a militarized border "so bad"?
It's not militarized yet. These personnel are probably just there to make up for the manpower deficiencies. However, if more troops continue to move towards the border than that will pose a problem.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Its also disgusting about how they are going to send undocumenteds to detetion camps. This way way they work for nothing on things like roads, instead of working for almost nothing picking strawberries.

Thats the answer treat people who are willing to work as enemy combatants.

Funny how the conservative working man *****ed about how his weekly paycheck was plummeting, and now it doesn't seem to matter because he'll have to pay more taxes and more for food.

So much for the trickle-down effect.

I don't understand this guest-worker program, I mean in post-WW2 Germany it was used because there wasn't a place for the immigrants to live, but here in the USA they could live anywhere.

The Bush regime seem to be full of crappy capitalists at best, why don't they just forgive debts, and open up more trade. If they did there wouldn't be so much of this problem.

[Colombia]

Foolishness really. It is so simple to enter the US as is even with the increased security. They will just be going there and standing around in the heat.

[Baby Olly]

Why is it so bad that we're guarding the borders? I know a lot of the illegal alien problem is of our own doing, but just because you leave your front door open doesn't make it okay for just anybody to walk in and take your stuff. It's still illegal, regardless of what they do AFTER they get here, isn't it?

Personally I think the few troops- National Guard!- being sent to the border are too few, too late. I just hope some kid doesn't get killed by a terrorist who came in with regular illegals.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by Colombia+May 17 2006, 12:52 AM--> (Colombia @ May 17 2006, 12:52 AM) Foolishness really. It is so simple to enter the US as is even with the increased security. They will just be going there and standing around in the heat. [/b]
HAHAHAHAHA!!! :lol:

I just imagined the 6,000 troops passing out.


Baby Olly
but just because you leave your front door open doesn't make it okay for just anybody to walk in and take your stuff. It's still illegal, regardless of what they do AFTER they get here, isn't it?

And this would be stuff you don't want, like the jobs you don't want to do. I rather be a dock worker anyday than pick fucking tomatos.

This is a very deep-seated issue, for those who talk about how this violates the nationalization policy, well if you wan't to bring up the issue of nationalism I believe these "immigrants" were here first as Meso-Americans (indjuns yuk yuk!), they just picked the wrong time to walk northward.

The immigrants have asked for citizenship,and to recieve equal pay, therefore they don't make the wages of the "naturalized" workers plummet.

Furthermore did the Native Americans ask the Pilgrims to take a naturalization test? NO! :rolleyes:

"Naturalization" is nothing more but bourgeois legalism, which isn't worth the paper its printed on. Hell the majority of so called true-blues wouldn't even be able to pass those tests.

[MurderInc]

To those who wrote that Bush is getting crazier and crazier doing this, well, not altogether so.

He made the statement that "catch and release" was a failed policy. This is true. And remember, for there to be these 6,000 troops stationed at the border, Congree would have to vote a law for it and pay for it. So it wouldn't be "Bush's" but "America's" policy.

Some of you may remember that I wrote about how the Mexican federal authority is under attack by many elements in Mexico, and that I predict the end of that authority soon.

It should not surprise anyone that the U.S. federal government has to do SOMETHING to re-establish its rule of law over the immigration issue. To not do so is to admit that the border is open. This can never be admitted if the U.S. is to retain its federal authority over those issues stated in Art. I of the U.S. Constitution.

[drain.you]

How can anyone justify keeping harmless workers and in some cases starving families from entering their country?and how many mexican terrorist attacks are there? i haven't heard of any. nothing major anyway.
You dont own that piece of land! Its not yours to say who can go where, we all live on this earth and should be free to live where we like.

Grass is greener when there are no sides!


[edit]

Congree would have to vote a law for it and pay for it. So it wouldn't be "Bush's" but "America's" policy.

Well depends who started it, if Bush put the idea forward then you could still argue it was his policy.

[MurderInc]

Well depends who started it, if Bush put the idea forward then you could still argue it was his policy.

Trust me: When the UNITED STATES CONGRESS spends $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the war in Iraq, it becomes America's war.

This obsession over the U.S. Presidency does no one justice. Open your mind. It doesn't matter who "states it". Merely speaking about something is not policy.

Spending for something brings a reality about it.


Re: Land and occupancy. Well, most here are internationalists and believe as you do. But I was speaking in terms of reality.

There are some interesting results to your thinking, many of them NON-Socialist.

If we extend your policy to Korea, North Koreans should be able to walk into South Korea, without the North Korean army stopping them; or into China. Very soon there would be only one Korea, and it wouldn't be "socialist" (not that Korea is.) But it would be firmly capitalistic under some unification.

If land doensn't mean anything, and is owned by noone, then capitalists should have the right to enter beach front property in norther Africa and begin creating hotels and luxury resorts. After all, it belongs to "Everyone".

The most basic concept of a society is to define the terms on which it exsits. If you are willing to end sovereinty to the U.S., you are willing to do the same to Cuba, with open borders for all Americans who wish to enter.

[aunkst]

Originally posted by Iroquois [email protected] 16 2006, 10:22 AM
yanks
1. Don't call Americans "Yanks"..
2. Most of you don't even live in the U.S. so you have no clue how outta control these illegals are..
3. Go ahead and ban me after this post

[Dyst]

How ironic that you reject to americans being called "yanks", yet have no problem calling people "illegals".

[MurderInc]

What's wrong with being called a Yank?

It's a cool name. The South referred to the North as Yanks during the Civil War.

The name goes back to our days of Independence from Great Britain.

It's the name of a kick ass baseball team. (DID ANYONE WATCH THAT WALK OFF HOME RUN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH YESTERDAY!?! ARE WE THE SHIT, OR WHAT?!?)

[drain.you]

yank sounds like a type of buffalo or summit lol.


2. Most of you don't even live in the U.S. so you have no clue how outta control these illegals are..
Please inform me. Seriously I wanna hear.

[Dreckt]

I just hope some kid doesn't get killed by a terrorist who came in with regular illegals.

I haven't heard in my whole life of one single terrorist passing the Mexican-US border, though I'd say it's a good idea. Besides, don't these troops cost you Americans a lot of taxpayers' money?

[McLeft]

I think Bush is getting ready to do anything in his power to prevent the election of anti-american Lopez-Obrador as president of Mexico, he might well decide to invade Mexico.

Ok perhaps that's going to far, lol

[aunkst]

Invasion would be sweet.

[KC]

2. Most of you don't even live in the U.S. so you have no clue how outta control these illegals are..

Yeah, you should have seen how out of control they got on May 1st! I mean, marching for basic human rights! That's ludicrous!!! :rolleyes:

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by aunkst+May 17 2006, 02:20 PM--> (aunkst @ May 17 2006, 02:20 PM)
Iroquois [email protected] 16 2006, 10:22 AM
yanks
1. Don't call Americans "Yanks"..
2. Most of you don't even live in the U.S. so you have no clue how outta control these illegals are..
3. Go ahead and ban me after this post [/b]
I'm sure the First Nations know all to well about unwanted people showing up and ruining the way of life for the natural inhabitants.

[MurderInc]

I'm sure the First Nations know all to well about unwanted people showing up and ruining the way of life for the natural inhabitants.

This statement is bullshit. The unwanted people showing up, sure, if that's how you see it. But the Amerian Indians being able to claim they are the natural inhabitants, and the others are unnatural? I don't think so.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by aunkst+May 17 2006, 02:20 PM--> (aunkst @ May 17 2006, 02:20 PM)
Iroquois [email protected] 16 2006, 10:22 AM
yanks
1. Don't call Americans "Yanks"..
2. Most of you don't even live in the U.S. so you have no clue how outta control these illegals are..
3. Go ahead and ban me after this post [/b]
I think you've been spoonfed to much nationalism...funny how u mind being called a yank, yet u have no problem in referring to ppl as "illegals" (like someone else mentioned)

I live in the US, and what I see is that my ppl make this economy the strongest in the world, and yet they're treated like criminals for crossing a man made border to uplift their family


Ban you??
It'd be easier for u stop posting, kuz from what I've heard, your far from being a socialist, anarchist, let alone a communist

[Iroquois Xavier]

would you rather i called you idiots then? :P