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Capitalist Lawyer
9th May 2006, 18:45
We all know how important it is to make sure those who want to go to college should. I certainly don't think so.

Low and behold: The crap culture of the college campus.



Levine, Mel. "College Graduates Aren't Ready for the Real World", Chronicle of Higher Education, 00095982, 2/18/2005, Vol. 51, Issue 24



College Graduates Aren't Ready for the Real World



WE ARE WITNESSING a pandemic of what I call "work-life unreadiness," and colleges face a daunting challenge in immunizing students against it.

Swarms of start-up adults, mostly in their 20s, lack the traction needed to engage the work side of their lives. Some can't make up their minds where to go and what to do, while others find themselves stranded along a career trail about which they are grievously naïve and for which they lack broad preparation. Whether they spent their undergraduate or graduate years focused on a discrete pursuit -- say, engineering, law, or medicine -- or whether their college education was unbound from any stated career intentions, many are unprepared to choose an appropriate form of work and manage their first job experience.

In conducting interviews for my new book, Ready or Not, Here Life Comes, I heard repeatedly from employers that their current crop of novice employees appear unable to delay gratification and think long term. They have trouble starting at the bottom rung of a career ladder and handling the unexciting detail, the grunt work, and the political setbacks they have to bear. In fact, many contemporary college and graduate students fail to identify at all with the world of adults.

A variety of unforeseen hazards can cause an unsuccessful crossover from higher education to the workplace. Start-up adults may often not even sense that they are failing to show initiative or otherwise please their superiors. Some early-career pitfalls are unique to our times; some derive from the characteristics of individual students themselves; some are side effects of modern parenting; and others result from an educational system that has not kept pace with the era we live in. All have policy implications for higher-education leaders.

The problems start early. While many of today's young adults were growing up, their role models were each other. Kids today don't know or take an interest in grown-ups, apart from their parents, their teachers, and entertainers. That stands in contrast to previous generations, when young people "studied" and valued older people in the community.

Thus, a lot of contemporary college students are insatiable in their quest for social acceptance and close identification with an esteemed gaggle of peers. The commercialization of adolescence has further fueled a desire to be "cool" and accepted and respected within a kid culture. Some young adults become the victims of their own popularity, experiencing surges and spasms of immense yet highly brittle ego inflation. But that bubble is likely to burst in early career life, when their supervisors are not all that impressed by how well they play shortstop, how they express their taste through their earrings, or the direction in which they orient the brim of their baseball caps.

Life in the dormitory or the fraternity or sorority house no doubt perpetuates and even intensifies that pattern of over-reliance on peer approval. It may also serve to cultivate an overwhelming preoccupation with body image and sexual and chemical bodily excitation -- at times to the detriment of intellectual development and reality-based reflection on the future. We live in a period of college education in which the body may be the mind's No. 1 rival. While that tension has always existed, our culture stresses more than ever bodily perfection, self-marketing through appearance, and physical fitness over cognitive strength. Unbridled athletic fervor may reinforce such a somatically bent collegiate culture.

Meanwhile, many college students carry with them an extensive history of being overprogrammed by their parents and their middle schools and high schools -- soccer practice Monday through Saturday, bassoon lessons on Tuesday evening, square dancing on Wednesday, kung fu on Saturday afternoon, on and on. That may make it hard for them to work independently, engage in original thought processes, and show initiative.

Other students were the golden girls and boys of their high schools -- popular, attractive, athletic, and sometimes scholarly insofar as they were talented test takers. Yet many never had to engage in active analytic thinking, brainstorming, creative activity, or the defense of their opinions. In quite a few instances, their parents settled all their disputes with teachers, guided (or did) their homework, and filled out their college applications. As a result, such students may have trouble charting and navigating their own course in college and beyond.

Not uncommonly, start-up adults believe that everything they engage in is supposed to generate praise and fun, as opposed perhaps to being interesting or valuable. The quest for effusive verbal feedback has been a prime motivator throughout their lives, as they have sought approval from parents, teachers, and coaches. Unbridled and sometimes unearned praise may, in fact, fuel the pressure for grade inflation in college.

SIMILARLY, students' favorite professors may well be those whose lectures are the funniest. But what if, eight years later, their bosses have no sense of humor, and their work pales in comparison to the visual and motor ecstasy of computer games and the instantaneous satisfaction of their social and sexual conquests? They might then find themselves mentally out of shape, lacking in the capacity for hard cognitive work, and unable to engage successfully in any extended mind toil that they don't feel like doing.

On top of that, some college students are afflicted with significant underlying developmental problems that have never been properly diagnosed and managed. Examples abound, including difficulties in processing language or communicating verbally (both speaking and writing), an inability to focus attention or reason quantitatively, and a serious lack of problem-solving skills. We are currently encountering far more students with learning difficulties, for a multitude of reasons. Many young adults are growing up in a nonverbal culture that makes few, if any, demands on language skills, active information processing, pattern recognition, and original thinking.

The most common learning disorder among undergraduates is incomplete comprehension. Affected students have difficulty understanding concepts, terminology, issues, and procedures. Many of them succeeded admirably in high school through the exclusive use of rote memory and procedural mimicry (known in mathematics as the "extreme algorithmic approach"). So a student may have received an A in trigonometry by knowing how to manipulate cosines and tangents yet without really understanding what they represent. Such underlying deficiencies return to haunt start-up adults striving for success and recognition on the job. A young adult may be selling a product without fully understanding it, or preparing a legal brief without perceiving its ramifications.

Trouble handling the workload is an equally prevalent, and lingering, form of collegiate dysfunction that follows students into their careers. Some college students are abysmally disorganized and have serious trouble managing materials and time, prioritizing, and handling activities with multiple components that must be integrated -- like writing a term paper, applying to graduate schools or prospective employers, and preparing for a final examination. Such difficulties can manifest themselves for the first time at any academic stage in a student's life, including during law, business, or medical school. The students who are burdened with them are vulnerable to dropping out, mental-health problems, and a drastic loss of motivation.

CERTAINLY many students leave college well prepared and well informed for careers, and not every college is affected by such negative cultural forces. But work-life unreadiness is increasingly prevalent and merits the attention of faculty members and administrators. The deterrents that I have mentioned may or may not ignite implosions of grade-point averages, but they can become crippling influences in the work lives of young adults.

Although colleges can't be expected to suture all the gaps in the culture of kids, some changes merit consideration if students are to succeed after graduation. Too many start-up adults harbor serious discrepancies between what they would like to do and what they are truly capable of doing. Often they are interested in pursuits they are not good at or wired for. They opt for the wrong careers because they are unaware of their personal and intellectual strengths and weaknesses, as well as woefully uninformed about the specific job demands of their chosen trades. That combination is a time bomb set to detonate early in a career.

Therefore, colleges should re-examine the adequacy of their career-placement or career-advisory services. Those services should be able to interview students in depth, administer vocational-interest inventories, and make use of sophisticated neuropsychological tests to help floundering students formulate career aims that fit their particular skills and yield personal gratification.

Colleges can also lessen undergraduate naïveté through formal education. Within a core curriculum, perhaps offered by the psychology department, colleges should help students get to know themselves and to think about the relationship between who they are and what they think they might do with their lives. They should provide, and possibly require, courses like "Career Studies," in which undergraduates analyze case studies and biographies to explore the psychological and political nuances of beginning a career.

Students need to anticipate the challenges and agonies of work life at the bottom rungs of a tall and steep ladder. They should be taught generic career-related skills -- like how to collaborate, organize and manage projects, write proposals, and decrypt unwritten and unspoken on-the-job expectations. Colleges should also offer classes that cover topics like entrepreneurialism and leadership. Further, students should also receive formal instruction, including case studies, in the pros and cons of alternative career pathways within their areas of concentration (e.g., medical practice versus health-care administration, or teaching about real estate versus pursuing a money chase in land investment).

To elucidate the specific learning problems of students who are not succeeding, colleges need to offer up-to-date diagnostic services. Those include tests to pinpoint problems with memory, attention, concept formation, and other key brain processes that will cause a career to implode whether or not a student makes it through her undergraduate years.

Faculty members should change not only what they teach but how they teach, to help students make a better transition to the adult world. They should receive formal training in the latest research about brain development and the learning processes that occur during late adolescence -- including such key areas as higher-language functioning, frontal-lobe performance (like planning, pacing, and self-monitoring), nonverbal thought processes, memory use, and selective attention.

Professors also should base their pedagogy on some awareness of the mechanisms underlying optimal learning and mastery of their subject matter. Chemistry professors should understand and make use of the cognition of chemistry mastery, while foreign-language instructors and those conducting political-science seminars should be aware of the brain functions they are tapping and strengthening through their coursework. Current students face complex decision-making and problem-solving career challenges, but many have been groomed in high school to rely solely on rote memory -- an entirely useless approach in a meaningful career.

At the same time, professors must have keen insight into the differences in learning among the students who take their courses. They should seek to offer alternative ways in which students can display their knowledge and skills. They might discover, for instance, that their tests should de-emphasize rote recall and the spewing out of knowledge without any interpretation on the part of the student.

In short, faculty members must learn about teaching. It should not be assumed that a learned person understands how people learn.

What's more, colleges should offer opportunities for scholarly research into the cognitive abilities, political strategies, and skills needed for career fulfillment in various fields. The study of success and failure should be thought of as a topic worthy of rigorous investigation at all higher-education institutions.

FINALLY, every college should also strive to promulgate a campus intellectual life that can hold its own against social, sexual, and athletics virtuosity. Varsity debating teams should receive vigorous alumni support and status, as should literary magazines, guest lectureships, concerts, and art exhibitions. Undergraduate institutions reveal themselves by what gets tacked up on campus bulletin boards -- which often are notices of keg parties, fraternity and sorority rush events, and intramural schedules. Colleges can work to change that culture.

Our colleges open their doors to kids who have grown up in an era that infiltrates them with unfettered pleasure, heavy layers of overprotection, and heaps of questionably justified positive feedback. As a result, childhood and adolescence may become nearly impossible acts to follow.

Higher education has to avoid hitching itself to that pleasure-packed bandwagon. Otherwise, students will view the academic side of college as not much more than a credentialing process to put up with while they are having a ball for four years. Colleges must never cease to ask themselves, "What roles can and should these young adults play in the world of our times? And what must we do to prepare them?"

violencia.Proletariat
9th May 2006, 19:10
They have trouble starting at the bottom rung of a career ladder and handling the unexciting detail, the grunt work, and the political setbacks they have to bear

Maybe because the ladder has no steps on it ;)


In fact, many contemporary college and graduate students fail to identify at all with the world of adults.

Why don't you parade your rags to riches stories in front of them then.


Start-up adults may often not even sense that they are failing to show initiative or otherwise please their superiors.

Please superiors? Why on earth would you want to waste your time doing that. Check the other thread on cheating, don't please them SCREW THEM OVER to get what you want :lol:


Meanwhile, many college students carry with them an extensive history of being overprogrammed by their parents and their middle schools and high schools -- soccer practice Monday through Saturday, bassoon lessons on Tuesday evening, square dancing on Wednesday, kung fu on Saturday afternoon, on and on. That may make it hard for them to work independently, engage in original thought processes, and show initiative.

Were you not the same person who started a thread about how kids need strong parenting? :lol:


The most common learning disorder among undergraduates is incomplete comprehension. Affected students have difficulty understanding concepts, terminology, issues, and procedures.

AKA they don't follow orders well :lol:

encephalon
9th May 2006, 23:49
actually, I look forward to a workforce that is entirely disillusioned with the system at hand, just out of college or otherwise. So rock and roll.

redstar2000
10th May 2006, 00:32
Originally posted by Mel Levine
In conducting interviews for my new book, Ready or Not, Here Life Comes, I heard repeatedly from employers that their current crop of novice employees appear unable to delay gratification and think long term. They have trouble starting at the bottom rung of a career ladder and handling the unexciting detail, the grunt work, and the political setbacks they have to bear. In fact, many contemporary college and graduate students fail to identify at all with the world of adults.

Sounds good to me! :D

By the way, why "should" gratification be "delayed"?

Because John Calvin said so? :lol:


The problems start early. While many of today's young adults were growing up, their role models were each other. Kids today don't know or take an interest in grown-ups, apart from their parents, their teachers, and entertainers. That stands in contrast to previous generations, when young people "studied" and valued older people in the community.

Oh, I can't complain. As one of the older people on this board, I've noticed quite a number of young people who seem very interested in my personal "Tales from the 60s".

That would probably not meet with Mr. Levine's approval, to be sure.

Overall, it seems that Mr. Levine's complaint is that today's college students are not being taught "to like the taste of shit". And he wants colleges to do more teaching along those lines.

Won't happen. Colleges are businesses now...and "pleasing the customer" is crucial to "the bottom line".

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encephalon
10th May 2006, 07:12
Overall, it seems that Mr. Levine's complaint is that today's college students are not being taught "to like the taste of shit". And he wants colleges to do more teaching along those lines.

No, they still teach it. More people have just stopped listening.

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Capitalist Lawyer
10th May 2006, 17:15
Maybe because the ladder has no steps on it

Maybe only in your mind, but if that's the case, grab a hammer and some wood and make your own steps.

Your painting the image that America is some feudal caste system and that's clearly not the case.



Why don't you parade your rags to riches stories in front of them then.

Maybe I'll parade my blue jeans and sweat pants to middle-class stories to them.



Please superiors? Why on earth would you want to waste your time doing that. Check the other thread on cheating, don't please them SCREW THEM OVER to get what you want

You sound like a capitalist there.



Were you not the same person who started a thread about how kids need strong parenting?

No, supportive parenting...there's a difference.



AKA they don't follow orders well

Sorry kid, you can't get everything you want in life.

Capitalist Lawyer
10th May 2006, 17:22
Sounds good to me!

By the way, why "should" gratification be "delayed"?

Because John Calvin said so?

I think you missed his point, redstar. Basically what you're saying is, "max out your credit cards on booze, vacations, and lobster dinners while you can."

Oh but, you'll probably be in even more debt for decades to come.



Oh, I can't complain. As one of the older people on this board, I've noticed quite a number of young people who seem very interested in my personal "Tales from the 60s".

I'm very interested in the Charles Manson story, doens't mean he should be seen as some sort of role model that ought to be emulated.



Overall, it seems that Mr. Levine's complaint is that today's college students are not being taught "to like the taste of shit". And he wants colleges to do more teaching along those lines.

By comparative standards, American colleges emphasize the liberal arts and the humanities moreso than Japan and German universities. Foreign students flock to our research universities and for what reason?


Won't happen. Colleges are businesses now...and "pleasing the customer" is crucial to "the bottom line".

Which means, "please the stupid young college students" with watered down curriculums, fad courses, entice them with special deals and services, grade inflation, scholarships for athletes, and don't fail anyone who doesn't belong there because that's a "loss".

So what's the communists' solution to the problem? Send more dummies to college?

redstar2000
11th May 2006, 00:29
Originally posted by Capitalist Lawyer
Basically what you're saying is, "max out your credit cards on booze, vacations, and lobster dinners while you can."

Delayed gratification is rationally a questionable course in a social order that may not last.

One needs some clear reasons for expecting a "prosperous future" in order to "plan for one". There's not much point in "saving your leftovers" when you're a passenger on the Titanic. :lol:


By comparative standards, American colleges emphasize the liberal arts and the humanities more so than Japan and German universities. Foreign students flock to our research universities and for what reason?

Emphasis on liberal arts and the humanities is a legacy of the past...when higher education was a class privilege and the student did not necessarily "expect to work" after graduation. And since higher education is becoming once more a class privilege, similar considerations prevail.

Foreign students come here to study science and technology because the U.S. still has an "edge" in those fields. Probably not for much longer.


Which means, "please the stupid young college students" with watered down curriculums, fad courses, entice them with special deals and services, grade inflation, scholarships for athletes, and don't fail anyone who doesn't belong there because that's a "loss".

Isn't that how a business enlarges "market share"? When auto corporations are reproached for manufacturing gas-guzzling and palpably unsafe SUVs, don't they always reply that "they're just giving the customer what he wants"?

You imagine that college students are "stupid"...but are they not simply "having a good time" while it's still possible to do that?

There aren't going to be many "good times" in the coming decades...if any at all.

The really smart kids are figuring out ways to gather the resources to get out of the U.S. while it's still possible to do that.

And the real dummies are plodding along to get their MBAs...thinking that it's their "ticket to ride". :lol:


So what's the communists' solution to the problem? Send more dummies to college?

The "communist solution" is to offer people some real hope for a future that won't consist entirely of ass-kissing and shit-shoveling.

Outrageous, right? :D

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Purple
16th May 2006, 02:09
Wether or not under a capitalist society, education still plays a huge part of one's life. Now, in my opinion this sort of education that takes place in North America and most of Europe is basically training people to be smart, but to use the knowledge that they gain on bullshit jobs that has only a main goal of making money. the true teaching that i experience at school is that material wealth is good, and your success is measured in capital, and the only way to be happy is to be successful, hence the only way to be happy is to have money, and everything goes back to the basic principals on how materialism is the way to go, and if you choose any other direction, youll end up on the streets, begging for nickles.

basically what the matter is with "modern education" is in my opinion the way to educate people and then discourage them from reaching their FULL potential. american dream skips a generation for something... thinking that if you work a dead beat job for 20 years youll pull a clinton and be the leader of your country. pretty loony way of encouraging people if you ask me...

Axel1917
16th May 2006, 06:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 12:00 AM


Overall, it seems that Mr. Levine's complaint is that today's college students are not being taught "to like the taste of shit". And he wants colleges to do more teaching along those lines.

Won't happen. Colleges are businesses now...and "pleasing the customer" is crucial to "the bottom line".

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For once I can agree with you on something. College was horrible, and from what I have heard, getting positions in a company requries ass-kissing and knowing someone toward the top in a lot of cases. It is not so much about actual qualificaitons these days. Anyone can get a degree, given that he/she can afford college. Actually getting the job is another thing. I quit college because I hated my major. I can't see myself going back anytime soon, given the high costs of college and no guarantee of getting the job. Colleges are just businesses.

overlord
16th May 2006, 08:30
Swarms of start-up adults, mostly in their 20s, lack the traction needed to engage the work side of their lives. Some can't make up their minds where to go and what to do, while others find themselves stranded along a career trail about which they are grievously naïve and for which they lack broad preparation.

yep, that's me. already at the end of my second degree and no idea what to do next, not that i need a job or anything. think ill do a phD.


College was horrible, and from what I have heard, getting positions in a company requries ass-kissing and knowing someone toward the top in a lot of cases. It is not so much about actual qualificaitons these days. Anyone can get a degree, given that he/she can afford college. Actually getting the job is another thing. I quit college because I hated my major. I can't see myself going back anytime soon, given the high costs of college and no guarantee of getting the job. Colleges are just businesses

yeah i went through that. communist uni is worse though becase instead of 90% leftist professors you have 100%

redstar2000
17th May 2006, 08:16
Perhaps it's sometimes the schools they graduate from. :lol:

Get that advanced degree!

Only $8,500 from the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School.

http://www.icr.edu/tuition/index.html

Accredited by the International Association of Conmen. :lol:

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Capitalist Lawyer
17th May 2006, 21:32
There aren't going to be many "good times" in the coming decades...if any at all.

Redstar Little says: The Sky is Falling!


And the real dummies are plodding along to get their MBAs...thinking that it's their "ticket to ride".


Why An MBA

Nearly eighty percent of top executives polled in a recent survey said that earning a graduate degree in business is important for those who want to obtain top management positions in most companies. The truth is that as the world moves toward a more corporate and service-oriented economy, earning an MBA becomes an effective way of not only ensuring your employment, but also ensuring your success and marketability an ever evolving job market. As businesses have continued to be impressed with abilities and accomplishments of MBA graduates, the MBA degree has become much more popular. But is an MBA really worth the extra years of schooling that are required -- especially when you could be spending that time working? The numbers indicate that the answer is most likely yes. A recent survey of accounting/financial workers of varying skill and seniority levels found that CFOs without a formal degree had an average salary of only $38,920, those with a Bachelors Degree earned up to $88,836, while MBAs with relevant experience earned an average of $104,284. The return on investment for an MBA certainly appears worthwhile.

http://www.mbaalliance.com/why-an-mba.html



Delayed gratification is rationally a questionable course in a social order that may not last.

The sky is falling...again.



Isn't that how a business enlarges "market share"? When auto corporations are reproached for manufacturing gas-guzzling and palpably unsafe SUVs, don't they always reply that "they're just giving the customer what he wants"?

Which proves my point that college students (the customers) are stupid and many (most) don't belong there.

Fuck yeah make higher education a priviledge and make sure it's harder for the dummies (rich or poor) to get in!

But what do leftists keep saying? Send more people to college!

encephalon
17th May 2006, 22:54
But what do leftists keep saying? Send more people to college!

Is it send more people to college, or burn more colleges down? I get so confused these days, what with all my dumbness.

redstar2000
18th May 2006, 05:28
Originally posted by MBA Alliance+--> (MBA Alliance)MBA's are "really great"...honest...trust us on this one...we wouldn't lie to you just to sell you something...really.[/b]

:lol:


Capitalist Lawyer
Which proves my point that college students (the customers) are stupid and many (most) don't belong there.

Fuck yeah make higher education a privilege and make sure it's harder for the dummies (rich or poor) to get in!

But what do leftists keep saying? Send more people to college!

What this leftist says is that higher education ought to be like clean water...available to anyone who's thirsty. The rich dummies can always get in now; the poor but intelligent are economically priced out.

As to how "tough" the curriculum should be, that's always a contentious subject in itself. Serious students seek out the "good stuff" and avoid the "Mickey Mouse" courses because they're boring as hell!

The fact that "most" college students flock to the "Mickey Mouse" courses simply reflects their accurate assessment of their purpose in spending four years at a university: to get a certificate that promises a "good job". Everyone knows that "knowledge" is not the point; the point is the acquisition of a credential.

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