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Republican Guard
17th April 2003, 16:50
"We had a great day. We killed a lot of people. We dropped a few civilians, but what do you do? I'm sorry...but the chick was in the way."
-- U.S. Marine Sgt. Eric Schrumpf, New York Times, March 29, 2003

"I did what I had to do. I don't have a big problem with it. I think they thought we wouldn't shoot kids. But we showed them we don't care."
- 21 year old U.S. Army Private Nick Boggs, after unloading machinegun fire into and killing a 10 year old Iraqi boy, who was removing items off of a dead paramilitary.



sigh.



I'm not going to even comment on this, except to say that I hope Mr. Boggs someday has a 10 year old son of his own.

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sypher
17th April 2003, 21:19
....wow. simply wow

SwedishCommie
18th April 2003, 14:26
American soldiers what can you say about them?
i have to quote sypher "wow, simply wow"!

mentalbunny
18th April 2003, 15:05
I have to say that U$ soldiers are probably the most ignorant and heartless group of peole on the planet.

Nickademus
18th April 2003, 16:19
i do have to say that the second statement doesn't surprise me. quite frankly i know some american soldiers and in many cases they aren't the brightest....and i'm sure they are brainwashed to be so insensitive...how else can they deal with the fact that they are killing humans.

but i know that a lot of places and military groups use kids as soldiers partially for that reason....forcing people to shoot children. and i can tell you general romeo delaire had to open fire on children in rwanda and its one of the things that haunts him to this day.

Republican Guard
18th April 2003, 17:10
i do have to say that the second statement doesn't surprise me. quite frankly i know some american soldiers and in many cases they aren't the brightest....and i'm sure they are brainwashed to be so insensitive...how else can they deal with the fact that they are killing humans.

but i know that a lot of places and military groups use kids as soldiers partially for that reason....forcing people to shoot children. and i can tell you general romeo delaire had to open fire on children in rwanda and its one of the things that haunts him to this day.

I agree 100%, and I don't doubt that many Iraqi troops - particularily the RG and Saddam Fedayeen - used and were composed of children who were fighting (one 12 year old boy took down a Black Hawk helicopter near Basra when the war started, forcing it to crash land. No Americans were killed). However, I think that in many cases the children just got mixed up in it (it is THERE neighborhood after all, they do go OUT and PLAY there), and because the Americans are so twitchy from seeing other kids attack them and suicide bombers, their judgement is severely impaired.

s.

Menshevik
19th April 2003, 01:10
Quote: from mentalbunny on 8:05 pm on April 18, 2003
I have to say that U$ soldiers are probably the most ignorant and heartless group of peole on the planet.


What do you know about them? They're human beings just like you. Unfortunately they serve and protect a corrupt system, but does that make everyone of them heartless and ignorant?

Republican Guard
19th April 2003, 01:51
What do you know about them? They're human beings just like you. Unfortunately they serve and protect a corrupt system, but does that make everyone of them heartless and ignorant?

Menshevik, I think what mentalbunny was trying to say was that they are brainwashed (like almost every oldier soldier on the planet too) to become ignorant and heartless... every soldier in the world can be brutal and vicious.

But few are as ignorant as the American ones (from the ones I've met).

Which brings me to a question: Say an Iraqi killed an American soldier in the United States while he is off-duty... would that be considered terrorism, or would it be a legitimate military assault?

In other words, is he a civilian when he takes off the uniform?

I don't think he is, morally-speaking. I'd like to know what you think?

s.

Ian
19th April 2003, 02:38
]http://www.informationwar.org/wars%20galle...rch03.jpg (http://www.informationwar.org/wars%20gallery/iraqi_kid_30march03.jpg[/img)
could this have been the boy?

(Edited by Ian Rocks at 2:39 am on April 19, 2003)

Republican Guard
19th April 2003, 05:00
Could have been him, just as easily as it could have been a boy crossing the street holding a bag of food.

s.

truthaddict11
19th April 2003, 11:08
"The Iraqis are sick people and we are the chemotherapy," he said. "I am starting to hate this country. Wait till I get hold of a friggin’ Iraqi. No, I won’t get hold of one. I’ll just kill him."

nice message from Iraq's "liberators"

Republican Guard
19th April 2003, 17:00
I am a sick person, and this snot-nosed soldier is the chemotherapy?

I think it would be so much easier to use the analogy that HE is the cancer spreading across the world.

To stop that from happening, we should follow there lead and use pre-emptive strikes on the US, before they can further threaten world peace.

Maybe bin Laden knew what he was doing after all...

sigh.

s.

Zombie
19th April 2003, 17:04
Quote: from Ian Rocks on 9:38 pm on April 18, 2003
http://www.informationwar.org/wars%20gallery/iraqi_kid_30march03.jpg
could this have been the boy?

bluerev002
19th April 2003, 20:00
That is just sick!! Those soildiers have been brain washed right down to were they have no opinion!

Those three quotes ive read were written by some sick americans who were taught wrong!

obiosly you cant say that all American soildiers are "heartless and ignorant" because of these two quotes. Because this is what they were taught. Blame the teachers that taught them, blame the teachers who said that killing Iraqi children is right, that killing any Iraqi is right! its this kind of shit that has been fed to the soldiers, and the soildiers gulp down this shit because its much easier to belive that they are right. they use those excuses so they can justify the action of killling a human being ANY human being! The soildiers dont want to do anything bad, so they set their minds to think that what they are doing is RIGHT.

Cant blame them, its the media that has fed us all this crap! I just saw that danm commercial again were they show how great the US is for having "freedom" and how we should protect it!

This kind of Bullshit Propaganda is a sick desease that is spreading all over the place and WE HERE AT CHE LIVES ARE THE REMEDY!! spread the truth to the blinded and make those that were forced to go deaf HEAR OUR CRY FOR TRUE FREEDOM!! FREEDOM FROM THE BULLSHIT THAT THE MEDIA HAS FED US FOR FAR TOO LONG!!

Menshevik
19th April 2003, 20:18
RG, I don't think that an American soldier out of uniform should be considered a civilian. But if an Iraqi soldier took the initiative all by himself to attack an American soldier in the US, I wouldn't perceive that as a "legitimate military assualt." Now, I do believe that any nation or force is capable of terrorism including uniformed and non-uniformed soldiers, though the context is very important.
What is terrorism, first of all? The only logical answer I can come up with would be: the deliberate military targeting of civilians by a group to achieve political or ideological goals and to instill fear. Perfect examples of that would be the decimation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the various suicide bombings in Israel/Palestine. What you're suggesting is that an Iraqi soldier all by his lonesome attacking an American soldier would be purely a military action. Once again, the context is central to the action's justification. Was the Iraqi given specific orders? Was he part of an invasion force? Were the two sides in the middle of a war? All of these factors play into whether this was a terrorist attack. Of course the US feels that anyone who attacks them is a terrorist and any military action they partake in is "peacekeeping" or, better yet, "preemptive action." The whole definition of terrorism has been manipulated to the likening of the US and its allies.

bluerev002
19th April 2003, 20:47
Quote: from Menshevik on 8:18 pm on April 19, 2003
RG, I don't think that an American soldier out of uniform should be considered a civilian. But if an Iraqi soldier took the initiative all by himself to attack an American soldier in the US, I wouldn't perceive that as a "legitimate military assualt." Now, I do believe that any nation or force is capable of terrorism including uniformed and non-uniformed soldiers, though the context is very important.
What is terrorism, first of all? The only logical answer I can come up with would be: the deliberate military targeting of civilians by a group to achieve political or ideological goals and to instill fear. Perfect examples of that would be the decimation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the various suicide bombings in Israel/Palestine. What you're suggesting is that an Iraqi soldier all by his lonesome attacking an American soldier would be purely a military action. Once again, the context is central to the action's justification. Was the Iraqi given specific orders? Was he part of an invasion force? Were the two sides in the middle of a war? All of these factors play into whether this was a terrorist attack. Of course the US feels that anyone who attacks them is a terrorist and any military action they partake in is "peacekeeping" or, better yet, "preemptive action." The whole definition of terrorism has been manipulated to the likening of the US and its allies.

Well put, i agree with you 100%

Republican Guard
20th April 2003, 00:31
Thanks for the viewpoint Menshevik.

But given the following scenario, what do you think?

"During Operation Iraqi:Freedom, an Iraqi intelligence operative (given orders from superiors) somehow gets into the United States. He proceeds to blow up an air force hangar, an Aegis missile destroyer at port, a coal power plant, and an army barracks. After the war, he is caught and - in accordance with the newly instituted patriot act - he is treated as a terrorist, tried in a clandestine court trial and convicted for the rest of his life."

"What is his official international status? What would it have been if he had done these actions ebfore the war, or after the war had ended?"

s.

CubanFox
21st April 2003, 12:51
About quote #2: I can understand why he mowed down the little boy. But the comment was totally unnecessary and callous.

nz revolution
21st April 2003, 13:12
The Communist Revolutionary is a citizen and desperately wants rights. The US soldier is a weapon not a human.


Welcome the "Liberators" with handgrenades!

Menshevik
23rd April 2003, 04:03
Quote: from nz revolution on 6:12 pm on April 21, 2003
The Communist Revolutionary is a citizen and desperately wants rights. The US soldier is a weapon not a human.

Of course, it's so easy for you to take the moral high ground. You really have no idea what youre talking about; dont for a second think you understand what humanity is, if that's your real opinion

To RG,
No he's not a terrorist, he's a spy and he wouldnt be imprisoned he would be executed--publicly.