Martial Law 911

[clanabis]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...1&q=martial+law (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=martial+law)

I'm sure most here are politically active enough to see this, but it's on google video now for all of the late comers.

[Dreckt]

One of the things the guy got wrong is that America is not "going back" to what he said "a socialist fascist economy" out of a "free market economy". On the contrary, America is going in to a "more free market economy".

Edit:
This guy is truly ignorant. He doesn't even have a clue what communism is, yet he is pretending that he somehow knows of a great conspiracy, that communism was funded by big business.

This is real bullshit straight from the frying pan.

[clanabis]

I think your missing the point. He believes that people who favor communism have their hearts in the right place but the International Bankers or Globalists as he calls them purposely created Communist nations with corrupt governments to always have war. War is very profitable and is necassary for the advancement of any given empire. Devide and conquer.

I believe that communism is a noble idea. But I also believe that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our government is a good example of this and Communist governments are no exception. In fact, most communist governments are extremely corrupt.

As far as how he pointed out the communist protestors in the movie, well, he was trying to prove that they were fake protestors hired to distract mainstream america from the 911 truth movement which was at the crux of the protest. Most of the communist protestors had absolutely no idea how to defend their cause. They were teenagers with an inability to articulate what they were protesting against. If you are unaware of the 911 truth movement, check this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...oose+change+2nd (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7162539532254137232&q=loose+change+2nd)

[Brekisonphilous]

I use to be pretty into Alex Jones and his documentaries... I have this particular DVD and one other one called 'Road to tyranny'.

It is all very interesting stuff that he presents and he backs up pretty much everything about what he says with facts that were leaked into the mainstream media.
I agree with his argument on 9/11 totally, and some of the stuff on the global elites and plans for escelating surveillence. I have been given no reason to disagree with him on some stuff since I have gotten into him, because I have actually seen some of the stuff he claims will happen unfold.

the problem I have with him is he is a marketing whore, and obviously very much a capitalist. I also think he is preaching the end times talked about in the bible, though he manages not to use religious rhetoric.

But the part on the dvd about the communists was misunderstood by one of the posters above. I think what he is trying to get across is that the teenagers protesting don't know what they are protesting about and if they were given the chance, they would be all for any party that called themselves "communist" just because of the label. the bottom line is, Alex Jones is a libertarian that just wants america to wake up to what the neoliberal government of the united states is up to, and to put a stop to it before its too late.

I think what he is doing is a pretty good thing to awaken the masses from just gobbling up whatever cnn and the gang tell them. And political awareness will only benefit our cause as revolutionaries.

[clanabis]

I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.

[Brekisonphilous]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 01:18 AM
I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.
Interesting way of looking at it.

But capitalism is indeed the true enemy.
You have to understand that what gives the world banks the power to manipulate the global economy is capitalism.
Speaking as a libertarian marxist, my view on communism would actually make it much more difficult to strip the people of their basic human rights. There would simply be no one to take those rights away, where as in capitalism, there will always be someone to.

[clanabis]

Originally posted by Brekisonphilous+May 6 2006, 01:39 AM--> (Brekisonphilous @ May 6 2006, 01:39 AM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 01:18 AM
I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.
Interesting way of looking at it.

But capitalism is indeed the true enemy.
You have to understand that what gives the world banks the power to manipulate the global economy is capitalism.
Speaking as a libertarian marxist, my view on communism would actually make it much more difficult to strip the people of their basic human rights. There would simply be no one to take those rights away, where as in capitalism, there will always be someone to. [/b]
Also very interesting.

Question, how will you keep the world banks from infiltrating a communist power structure? Do you think the USSR or China would be an acceptable model? If you believe that human rights are safer in a communist system can you provide me with a blueprint of this sytem or perhaps some readings.

I am not hostile towards communism, I just havn't been impressed by the history of this movement. I believe that Karl Marx was a genius but his ideas have not been realized to this point in history. I am not really impressed with his theory of Materialism but I have always believed that people deserve equal rights and comforts regardless of ability. I also believe that the man that goes the extra mile should be rewarded accordingly.

I am also suspect of the LEFT or RIGHT paradigm. I believe that people are alot more alike than they are different. It seems the real paradigm is FREEDOM or SLAVERY.

[The Beat]

I'm watching it now.

Yes, he's a media whore. I watch Prisonplanet with a lot of skepticism, but he does try to get to the real story.

[clanabis]

If you don't trust Alex Jones, well, neither does he. But he agrees with Alex on a lot of the issues.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

[The Beat]

Clanabis,

Cool.

I bought his book, too. Mike Ruppert speaks a lot of truth. I don't necessarily agree with his stand on Peak Oil, but his statements on 9/11 are pretty much right on.

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 01:18 AM
I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.
These are mixed up views. I'm betting your going to be restricted. If capitalism is not the enemy then I've been wasting my time all these years.

[Dreckt]

He believes that people who favor communism have their hearts in the right place but the International Bankers or Globalists as he calls them purposely created Communist nations with corrupt governments to always have war.

Fine. How does he know that? Have you ever asked yourself if this guy tries to spread conspiracy theories to discredit communism, to convince people that "communism is just another face of capitalism"?


War is very profitable and is necassary for the advancement of any given empire. Devide and conquer.

And how much did the Soviet Union conquer? With who did they wage war? Sure, I know there were conflicts, but nor outright war between the US and the USSR. We have just about as many conflicts now as we had then.


I believe that communism is a noble idea. But I also believe that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That is why that power is to be place into all peoples' hands. Communism does not have a government, thus communism can not be corruptive.


Our government is a good example of this and Communist governments are no exception. In fact, most communist governments are extremely corrupt.

Of course - because those governments are not communist. You can call yourself a communist, but it is the action, not the name, that matters.


As far as how he pointed out the communist protestors in the movie, well, he was trying to prove that they were fake protestors hired to distract mainstream america from the 911 truth movement which was at the crux of the protest.

This is a heavy conspiracist belief. Tell me, how much have these communists "obstructed" people into investigating 9/11? How many people are distracted?

The point of having a communist protest in the midst of a 9/11 protest is to make people look at what communism is. Their protest are trying to show people that it is capitalism that has made 9/11, and that another choice is possible.


Most of the communist protestors had absolutely no idea how to defend their cause. They were teenagers with an inability to articulate what they were protesting against.

That doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy. A handful of selected people, edited into one spot in a movie, portrayed as being the face of an entire movement. This is, for example, how immigrants are portrayed by the far-right - an immigrant commits a crime, then that is how all immigrants are like.


and some of the stuff on the global elites and plans for escelating surveillence.

There are more people who are poor, and they are becoming more in amount. Crime escalates, thus there have to be "security measures" - surveillance. It's cheap too.


I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war.

All banks use capitalism. The whole world is capitalist.


America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy.

Welfare is, what another comrade said, capitalism with a smile. Even the Scandinavian countries are becoming really bad despite being one of the best wellfare nations.


If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights.

You'll have to read on what communism is. The form of "communism" that the Soviet Union had (which is called "Leninism" or "Stalinism") is long gone.


In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty.

Wrong. The Cuban people lived in total misery under the dictator Batista. Cuba was a shithole. Castro was successful because people strongly supported his revolution - which had one goal: to remove Batista. Castro didn't think of establishing "communism" in Cuba, and only after Batista was gone did he only begin to side with the Soviets.


Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK.

Why in the world would CIA want to kill a musician? And we do not know if the CIA killed JFK and his brother - it is possible, and the reasons are understandable - but it is only a theory.

[The Beat]

Originally posted by The Dissenter+May 6 2006, 08:36 PM--> (The Dissenter @ May 6 2006, 08:36 PM)
[email protected] 6 2006, 01:18 AM
I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.
These are mixed up views. I'm betting your going to be restricted. If capitalism is not the enemy then I've been wasting my time all these years. [/b]
Dissenter,

I'm with you. But I think Capitalism IS the enemy. At least one of them. People who want to turn a profit REGARDLESS of the suffering of others are wrong, and that is they underlying premise of capitalism.

[clanabis]

I am not here to debate, I just had a few opinions and quite frankly I am probably ignorant of the style of communism you are supporting on these boards. If you have a plan for the world that does not rely on governments and lives happily ever after than more power to you. My goal here is to get the word out on the many problems with the official 911 story. I brought up my views on capitalism simply to draw attention to this thread and it doesn't seem to be working very well. Anyways, I am probably preaching to the choir as I am sure many of you do not trust our government :P

Heres a starter pack for those of you who are still undecided about the events of that fateful day.

http://www.universalseed.org/

[RebelDog]

Originally posted by The Beat+May 7 2006, 12:13 AM--> (The Beat @ May 7 2006, 12:13 AM)
Originally posted by The [email protected] 6 2006, 08:36 PM

[email protected] 6 2006, 01:18 AM
I also tire of his marketing ploys but ignorant he is not.

I think Capitalism is not the peoples true enemy. Its truly the World Banks and their manipulations of global economy and war. America needs welfare reform to help the less fortunate people of this economy. If Communism was put in place it would just make it easier to strip the people of their god given rights. In Cuba Communism was more succesful because of the small government, lack of technology based industry, and desperation of the people living in poverty. I have no doubts that Castro has the love of his country in his heart and has been a champion of his people. The CIA killed Che because he had the makings of a prophet. Just like they killed Bob Marley, JFK, and RFK. Any one who is a threat to this plan of a one world government is in a danger. Its the epic and timeless battle of the Empire and the Revolution.

The problem with Capitalism is the Corporation, not the guy who works harder or smarter than anyone else in his field to earn a large paycheck.
These are mixed up views. I'm betting your going to be restricted. If capitalism is not the enemy then I've been wasting my time all these years.
Dissenter,

I'm with you. But I think Capitalism IS the enemy. At least one of them. People who want to turn a profit REGARDLESS of the suffering of others are wrong, and that is they underlying premise of capitalism. [/b]
My statement was rhetorical. I am well aware capitalism is the enemy, I would hardly go about calling myself a communist if I thought otherwise.

In my opinion there was no direct conspiricy concerning the twin towers attack other than the one that plotted and carried out the attacks. However what I would say is that this came at the right time and the right place for Bush & co. It has handed them the pretext to launch imperialist conquests. It would be beyond even the US establishment to sanction such atrocities for personal gain, that is not to say they savoured the possibilities the event produced.

I think if there is any conspiricy then it begins with Israel. The Republicans in the US never do anything about the massive aid and comfort the US gives to Israel, despite the fact the jewish vote in the US traditionally goes to the Democrats. What do the Republicans gain from this? They keep a permenant front open against the islamic world, knowing this will provoke attacks against Israel and the US. This keeps the public fed with ideas of an active enemy and keeps the 'war on terror' fire burning for the neo-cons. Western tv is dominated by news of attacks on Israel by Palestinian people. Whenever the attacks are by Israel they are not so dominant and are portrayed in a different context, ie revenge, or anti-terrorist. If we could solve the Israel/Palestine problem right now, the whole thing would calm down greatly and the most productive recruiting grounds for Bin Laden would dry-up. It is Bin Laden's first demand that Israel leave the holy lands.

[RebelDog]

Also, the idea that the big banks started communism is enough to have someone committed to a mental institution if you ask me. Does this guy sell a lot of books? The conspiracy lies in how much money this guy makes from these claims.

[The Beat]

Clanabis,

Here is more proof:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

It's two hours long, but well worth the effort.

I'm sure that I have much more stuff about 9/11 and the real perpetrator, Cheney, than you. Shall we swap??

[clanabis]

I don't know man, I already posted that link under http://www.universalseed.org/.

As far as Cheney is concerned, hell yeah I think he's involved along with the rest of the PNAC chronies. Just check out their website.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Something stinks about this crew, Fo Sho!

And as far as the big banks inventing communism, well maybe I misspoke. Perhaps they facilitated Leninism and Stalinism, just a thought. I am not trying to school you folks on communism, that would be like teaching Hendrix how to play guitar.

[The Beat]

Clanabis,

9/11 was a set up. It wasn't the first, nor will it be the last.

It is well known that the Gulf of Tonkin never occurred, yet The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution is what Johnson ramrodded through Congress to declare a "Police Action" against Vietnam (back then NO ONE called it a war!!). It is also a well known fact that the Pacific Fleet was ALWAYS stationed at San Diego, except for four years. From February, 1941, to 1944, the Roosevelt government moved the fleet to a territory of the US way out into the Pacific Ocean. Then, Roosevelt decided to stop all oil shipments to Japan, thus ensuring their enmity. It would have taken an army back then about ten months to prepare and execute plans to bomb an enemy an ocean away.

December, 1941, is ten months after February, 1941.

The sinking of the Lusitania is what got the US involved in WWI, yet many reports are around that the Lusitania actually docked somewhere in the British Isles after the attack. The attack on the Maine in Havana harbor was the reason we went to war against Spain just before the turn of the century, yet most reports from the day cited the fact that the explosions came from the munitions on board, and not some explosives planted outside. In other words, it was an inside job, not something the Spanish plotted.

The list goes on.

9/11 is merely the latest in a series of US government-led diversions to fool the people and get their way.

[clanabis]

I read you loud and clear man, I am not the one who needs to be woken up.

I have been trolling boards and spreading truth for three years now and I hope your doing the same.

[The Beat]

Yeah, Clanabis.

I've been on the boards since May, 2003. Pravda was the first board I really posted on. I wound up posting about 19,000 times before I grew tired of the sheeple. They can really be a drain on one's energy.

[jacklenin]

Regarding Alex Jones' whole thing about banking groups being behind communism. This is obviously mostly bullshit. The white army was funded largely by foreign investment. So Lenin and co fought mainly against big banking groups. However there are instances where so-called communists were aided by big banking groups. Stalin's war machine was partially funded by big banking - namely the Harriman Brothers - a banking group made up of Skull and Bone Society Members like Prescott Bush (grandfather of Bush II). Not that the Harriman Brothers had any love for communism, they just hated Poland in 1939 because the Polish government had been causing trouble for their financial interests. Though the little bit of help the Harriman's gave to Stalin via cheap oil for his tanks, pales in comparison to the support they gave Hitler. They basically financed his rise to power. Check out GeorgeBushUnauthorizedBiography (http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm) for more details.
I kind of like Alex Jones in regards to his spirit and willingness to do risky things, I mean this is the guy who snuck into Bohemian Grove. Though he is obviously a right-winger, has anti-communist misgivings, and gets a little annoying and immature at times. I think the left needs to take more serious looks at conspiracy theories - while some of those right wing nuts are just cooks some, like Alex Jones, have some valid points that make a lot more sense when put into the context of the richest 1% trying to keep an outdated system like capitalism still alive.

[clanabis]

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