"Greet" The Minutemen!

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

So in case you guys didn't hear, The Minutemen are going on a caravan trip across the country to rally support for their agenda. They began their trip with a rally in Leimert Park, a park in predominantly Black South-Central LA. That's right, there new tactic is to claim that Blacks should join the Minutemen because Latinos are taking jobs away from Blacks! Nevermind that Blacks have suffered racism since the beginning, apparently through the Minutemen's view of history, it all has to do with Mexicans "invading" and "taking away jobs". Yep, they've stooped down to trying to incite racial conflict. Although a few supporters showed up for their rally, there were also about a dozen African-American protestors there protesting the attempt to divide two oppressed communities. Heres an article on it:
http://www.lavoice.org/index.php?name=News...rticle&sid=1806 (http://www.lavoice.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1806)

Anyway, the Minutemen are continuing there trip across the country and staging rallies at several cities across the country. I thought I would post their schedule here in case any comrades wanted to go out and "greet" them :). Heres the schedule:
http://www.minutemanproject.com/downloads/...d-gas-stops.pdf (http://www.minutemanproject.com/downloads/route-and-gas-stops.pdf)

If you live anywhere near: Abilene TX, Crawford TX, Little Rock AK, Memphis, Nashville, Birmingham, Atlanta, Greensboro, Richmond VA, or Washington DC then it might be worth teaming up with some comrades and protesting them.

[Rawthentic]

If I had a rifle, I would personally go and shoot myself some minutemen. They are blindly patriotic and racist to the extreme. They are radically religious and conservative to a sick and disgusting point. Them trying to recruit blacks shows how deep this immigration issue really is and all the ramifications it has in the US.

[bed_of_nails]

Yay! They are coming to my town!

Time to begin making rotten eggs...

[overthrowthebeast726]

I'd greet them...with a fucking baseball bat covered with spikes!

[barista.marxista]

They had a recruiting convention in Philly in February, I think. RAAN and ARA counterdemoed with more devious plans, but there was a seriously heavy cop presence. A couple people got arrested. I'll see if they're coming back. Apparently they do a lot of recruiting in PA, despite the lack of an international border nere here...

[FinnMacCool]

Well they're not coming to New York. I guess that makes sense.

[Americancommi]

damn they are having a rally in my town, hopefully there will be a huge counter rally too.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:12 PM
If I had a rifle, I would personally go and shoot myself some minutemen.
This kind of empty talk is 1)characteristic of people who do nothing and 2) a problem for the legality of the board.

[The Beat]

I could not agree with you more.

Greeting violent heretics with violence is totally stupid.

We should be about social reform, not status quo. It is the norm in the US to greet violence with violence.

Except I lived through the years of Martin Luther King, jr. And he advocated nonviolence. And I remember the teachings of Mahatma Ghandi, who also professed nonviolence.

The minutemen are evil incarnate. They need to see the power of the peace symbol and what real peace advocates can do.

[Severian]

Anyway, thanks to Battle of the Cowshed for posting this; I'm going to contact a couple people around here.

[bcbm]

Greeting violent heretics with violence is totally stupid.

Heretics? To what? And I see nothing stupid about meeting violence with violence, it largely depends on the situation. In this case where they will be merely recruiting and (most likely) not engaging in any violence, it would be stupid to attack them. But they have been violent in the past and when people's lives are on the line, it would make perfect sense to plug a few Minutemen.


It is the norm in the US to greet violence with violence.

Uh, I'd say that has been the norm just about everywhere, ever. Some small-scale socities excluded.

[The Beat]

B3g,

I don't think Mahatma Ghandi and 1.1 billion people to be a "small-scale society" concern. Do you realize that they represent three times the size of the United States?? If they are small scale, the US is beneath all scales.

Martin Luther King advocated nonviolence. Are you really anti-Martin Luther King??

[bcbm]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 7 2006, 09:15 PM
B3g,

I don't think Mahatma Ghandi and 1.1 billion people to be a "small-scale society" concern. Do you realize that they represent three times the size of the United States?? If they are small scale, the US is beneath all scales.
The Indian independence movement was anything but non-violent. There were a lot of armed actions, riots, bomb attacks, etc, etc. Ghandi was an influential figure in India, but to characterize the entire movement as nonviolent is simply bad history.



Martin Luther King advocated nonviolence. Are you really anti-Martin Luther King??

I prefer swinging to singing. And, again, the civil rights movement had plenty of violence and, indeed, MLK Jr. would've been jackshit without the threat of massive violence if his demands were ignored.

[The Beat]

B3g,

I disagree. I grew up durig the time of MLK, jr. I remember all the movements he participated in, and I admit that I was probably against 90% of them. I don't remember any "threats" from him. He never said to the government, "If you don't acquiesce, we will perform these riots...."

MLK, jr, was a peace maker. Ghandi was a peace maker.

Peace rules.

I am against any and all violence. If you advocate violent change, count me out.

I am a socialist, but not one who willing wishes the death of another human being to further my cause. Nor do I accept the death of one of my friends. In the true spirit of the Quran, I seek the peace of God the Almighty, and I seek not the retribution of anyone. I am a Christian and I know Jesus to be a peace maker, not a war maker. You cannot show Jesus to be a warmaker, nor Mohammed, nor any other religious leader.

So is it with Marx, Engels, and the other great philosophers. They are peace makers, not war mongers.

[bcbm]

I disagree. I grew up durig the time of MLK, jr. I remember all the movements he participated in, and I admit that I was probably against 90% of them. I don't remember any "threats" from him. He never said to the government, "If you don't acquiesce, we will perform these riots...."

He didn't need to say it. Newark, Detroit, Cleveland and many other cities showed it to be true. If you don't trust my analysis, perhaps you trust the "Report of the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders," a copy of which I have right here that basically says the same?


MLK, jr, was a peace maker. Ghandi was a peace maker.

You're side-stepping the issue. I'll take this as conceding my point on India.


You cannot show Jesus to be a warmaker, nor Mohammed, nor any other religious leader.

Uh... Jesus himself says he came to cause strife and to tear families apart, and Mohammed returned to Mecca by CONQUERING it. Mohammed was definitely a warmaker, learn your own history.


So is it with Marx, Engels, and the other great philosophers. They are peace makers, not war mongers.

I think maybe you should read some Marx if you believe that. :rolleyes:

[LoneRed]

you say your a socialist, but you dont want socialism, or at least want it to be attained, since your against violence

[The Beat]

Let me direct quotes from the day to help your memory:

http://www.marxists.org/history/internatio...ague-speech.htm (http://www.marxists.org/history/international/iwma/documents/1867/peace-league-speech.htm)

"The present increase of the large armies in Europe had been brought about by the revolution of 1848; large standing armies were the necessary result of the present state of society. They were not kept up for international warfare, but to keep down the working classes.[330] However, as there were not always barricades to bombard, and working men to shoot, there was sometimes a possibility of international quarrels being fomented to keep the soldiery in trim. The peace-at-any-price party would no doubt muster strong at the Congress."

Gee, I guess he wasn't so strong about sending men willy-nilly into battle.

Marx was not about open battle. MLK was not about open battle. Ghandi was not about open battle. Mumia Abu Jamal is not about open battle.

What we need is peace. Read any of the above. They advocate peace, as should we all. Mumia is especially against ALL violence.

You should follow his role.

[Americancommi]

In some cases however violence has proven to be efective. I'm not saying all violence is but look at Che and Fidel's take over of Cuba and the American revolution. In situations where you want to instate a new government you can't hope to have the old one step down without violence or the threat of it. To get back on topic however, just going out and blasting the minutemen isn't a good idea. It would be smarter to go with nonviolence in this case by holding protests and informing people of who the minute men really are.

[bezdomni]

You can only get hit so many times until you want to be doing the hitting.

[YSR]

Isn't there another forum for a conversation like the one The Beat is trying to start here?

Back on topic: Interesting, to look at the locations they're going to. Washington of course has nationalistic significance, the others all in the South. If they were smart, they'd come up to the Upper Midwest. The anti-immigrant fervor is rather high up here, mostly because there is little contact with illegal immigrantion, plus the Hmong have had a tough time "assimimilating" and that drives people nuts.

[Janus]

The Minutemen are basically a bunch of hateful vigilantes.

If I lived anywhere near those areas, I would join the protests against them.

[Guerrilla22]

The minutemen can suck my balls, they're a bunch of white supremacist/redneck hicks, who need to get a fucking life.

[Angry Young Man]

Who are the minutemen? Are they a group of racists in America? In that case, go beat up some nazi scum!!!
Anyway, there's no way (omg, it seems almost too much a stupid tactic that I've had to sew my pullover shut in case i laugh too much!!!) a racist group is seriously trying to get black members. Nobody's that stupid.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 7 2006, 10:15 PM
Let me direct quotes from the day to help your memory:

. . . .

Gee, I guess he wasn't so strong about sending men willy-nilly into battle.
He may not have been hot for imperialist war, but he had no qualms about revolutionary violence:

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."

"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. [emphasis mine]"

"A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?"



Marx was not about open battle.

He wasn't for pacifism, either.


MLK was not about open battle. Ghandi was not about open battle.

I never suggested they were, merely that the movements they were a part of relied heavily on violence and their calls to pacifism were only part of the struggle, and historically a relatively unimportant part in terms of getting shit done.


Mumia Abu Jamal is not about open battle.

Shooting a cop is pacifism, eh?


What we need is peace. Read any of the above. They advocate peace, as should we all.

Advocating peace against people who want to kill you is stupidity.


You should follow his role.

No thanks, I don't need to fellate a pantheon of dead pacifists, I can develop my own ideas about the role of violence in the creation of a classless society.

[Resist]

it would be an awesome riot....... anyone know about bleeding kansas before the civil war?

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 11:55 AM
Who are the minutemen? Are they a group of racists in America? In that case, go beat up some nazi scum!!!
Anyway, there's no way (omg, it seems almost too much a stupid tactic that I've had to sew my pullover shut in case i laugh too much!!!) a racist group is seriously trying to get black members. Nobody's that stupid.
They are a movement made up of various assholes, who sit along the US-Mexico boarder with guns and supposedly guard the boarder from "illegals." Yes, large numbers of the minuteman project comee from white supremacist groups.

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Originally posted by Guerrilla22+May 10 2006, 11:10 PM--> (Guerrilla22 @ May 10 2006, 11:10 PM)
[email protected] 9 2006, 11:55 AM
Who are the minutemen? Are they a group of racists in America? In that case, go beat up some nazi scum!!!
Anyway, there's no way (omg, it seems almost too much a stupid tactic that I've had to sew my pullover shut in case i laugh too much!!!) a racist group is seriously trying to get black members. Nobody's that stupid.
They are a movement made up of various assholes, who sit along the US-Mexico boarder with guns and supposedly guard the boarder from "illegals." Yes, large numbers of the minuteman project comee from white supremacist groups. [/b]
They have started monitoring the Canadian border now as well. Appearently they believe that Canadians cross illegally to make use of America's superior health-care system, thus re-introducing tubercolosis and the bubonic plague. Or something on those grounds.

[Fistful of Steel]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 8 2006, 02:54 AM
B3g,

I don't think Mahatma Ghandi and 1.1 billion people to be a "small-scale society" concern. Do you realize that they represent three times the size of the United States?? If they are small scale, the US is beneath all scales.
Gandhi was one man, all of India did not subscribe to his non-violence. As evidenced by his assassination.

[Bored77]

B3G, I am with you and any other advocates for violence against groups like the minutemen. The revolution will not be peaceful. And I for one am still willing to fight for it. If they were to come to my town (and there is no chance in hell they are coming to Madison Wisconsin) Id be the first one to beat those dumb smug fucking smiles off their racist faces. They want machine guns to be legal for hunting. Rock and Roll. I say we get machine guns and hunt facists