The Good Old Days

[Samuel]

The Good Old Days
Where'd They Go?
Samuel

What happened to the good old days of the DIY, when slingshots and
gas-masks were all the rage? Plenty of the stuff is potentially
offensive, and the feds could shut this site down for its content, but
by yielding to their influence, even before we are confronted, aren't
we giving in?

I don't say we should go ahead and plan attacks on federal
installations; that is a bad idea. However, this kind of information
is intellectually stimulating. I enjoy thinking of things that can be
used violently. I have built a modified model rocket with a napalm
payload. I want to share it.

RevLeft should fulfill its title. Revolutionary Left. We have the
second part pretty well, but what about the first? Talking is
informative, and plenty of people (including myself) have been
enlightened by the wealth of knowledge available here. But that's
where it stops? Share practical information. Be a Yippie. Know how
to blow up a police car? Tell us. Have a new smoke bomb recipe?
Share it.

Very few, if any, RevLeft users are unstable enough to see a post,
decide to use what it details, and kill someone. When I share
information, it is just that. I want to share. I want peer review.
If my Leftist community is censoring me, where should I turn?

I am not violent. You (the reader) are not violent. If someone finds
a post on this web site and blows up a Post Office somewhere in the
Midwest, chances are he would have done it anyway, regardless of what
he read on RevLeft.

If you choose to respond, please be intellectual. That is why I am
here. I want to hear your point of view. I do not post here very
often, although I visit daily. As you can see, I have been a member
for a fair amount of time. I am, if I may say so myself, a personable
guy. I like soccer and Southpark and jacking off. But when I am
forbidden from sharing information with my peers, I speak up.

My only hope is that you will too.

[Everyday Anarchy]

That was a great (and quite inspiring) read!
Way to say it, Samuel. You're also very true in your words and I think a lot of RevLefties can relate.

[Ol' Dirty]

I agree.

[Black Dagger]

Unfortunately i think a lot of the more practical (in terms of class war) type stuff cannot be discussed on the board for legal reasons. Having such discussions puts the continued operation of the board in jeopardy. If you wanna discuss this kind of stuff it's best to do it off the board, perhaps try and set-up a site of your own to distribute this information?

[RevMARKSman]

I concur, but just make sure you go through the legal loopholes instead of getting tangled up by the loops.

[Red Axis]

One guy told me, "Give our freedom to Iraq because we sure aren't using it." Frankly, I am sorry to say, free speech ain't what it used to be. Now any little thing does not go unnoticed. I am sure the Feds watch this board. If you are watching now Feds, you can kiss my ass, but at least I still have respect for the law.

[which doctor]

Was that supposed to be a poem?

[silentprotest]

I agree Samuel, we should have the right to discuss these things and the stability in which we will never nee to use them. All these ideas are about intellectual gain, and it is a pity that the American government wants to stamp that out. I'm sure I can safely say that there is no-one of this forum that would use any such information to harm the people of the World, unless forced to do so. It is a fundamental principal that we be allowed to share ideas that allow us to grow as people.

[bunk]

If you look at Stormfront and other forums they have whole sections dedicated to weapons and tactics. Explosives would get us shut down, but i think were a bit overly-cautious.

[Samuel]

Since there are a sizable number of replies, I'd like to respond to you all.


That was a great (and quite inspiring) read!
Way to say it, Samuel. You're also very true in your words and I think a lot of RevLefties can relate.


I agree.

Xero & Wonton_Soldier: Thanks for your response. Your accenting opinion means a great deal to me, and I thank you for your reply.


Unfortunately i think a lot of the more practical (in terms of class war) type stuff cannot be discussed on the board for legal reasons. Having such discussions puts the continued operation of the board in jeopardy. If you wanna discuss this kind of stuff it's best to do it off the board, perhaps try and set-up a site of your own to distribute this information?

Black Dagger: Granted the law does restrict this board to nonviolent information, but when the board describers itself as having a membership that believes a revolution is the only way for a socialist system to arise such information would naturally reside here.


I concur, but just make sure you go through the legal loopholes instead of getting tangled up by the loops.

MonicaTTmed: The board would, if confronted by the government, remove any questionable materials.


One guy told me, "Give our freedom to Iraq because we sure aren't using it." Frankly, I am sorry to say, free speech ain't what it used to be. Now any little thing does not go unnoticed. I am sure the Feds watch this board. If you are watching now Feds, you can kiss my ass, but at least I still have respect for the law.

Red Axis: The law may prohibit the publication of such information, but the publisher is not RevLeft. I understand that in some cases the manager of a board has been held responsible for its content, but a policy of "Post at your own risk" would remove Malte or anyone else who did not post such information from legal peril.


Was that supposed to be a poem?

Fist of Blood: No, the text is narrow and appears to be a poem because I used a spell check service which formats the text differently than Invision Power Board does. I could have changed it, but it would have taken a great deal of time and I don't believe that it is such a big issue.


I agree Samuel, we should have the right to discuss these things and the stability in which we will never nee to use them. All these ideas are about intellectual gain, and it is a pity that the American government wants to stamp that out. I'm sure I can safely say that there is no-one of this forum that would use any such information to harm the people of the World, unless forced to do so. It is a fundamental principal that we be allowed to share ideas that allow us to grow as people.

silentprotest: It seems that you have a great understanding of what I discussed. The exchange of information is both the function of the Internet and discussion boards. We must not impede the primary function of the Internet and this Board, or we lose their usefulness.


If you look at Stormfront and other forums they have whole sections dedicated to weapons and tactics. Explosives would get us shut down, but i think were a bit overly-cautious.

Josh: I am completely opposed to doing anything because Stormfront does it. The fascist is not to be emulated in any way, shape, or form. I propose that we do something because WE choose to, not because Stormfront does. When I say explosives should be discussed, I say it from a chemist's point of view. Chemistry has always interested me, and discussing it with a group of like-minded individuals would be great, if it were allowed.

[bunk]

Josh: I am completely opposed to doing anything because Stormfront does it. The fascist is not to be emulated in any way, shape, or form. I propose that we do something because WE choose to, not because Stormfront does. When I say explosives should be discussed, I say it from a chemist's point of view. Chemistry has always interested me, and discussing it with a group of like-minded individuals would be great, if it were allowed.

So am i, what a coi :angry: ncidence. Perhaps it's because you misread my post.

The main issue is a fear of prosecution and shutting of the site. I was using examples of why this is unlikely

[which doctor]

Also remember that this board is hosted in Germany. German laws are different than American laws. We would hate to get Malte in any trouble.

[Samuel]

Originally posted by Josh+May 6 2006, 09:40 AM--> (Josh @ May 6 2006, 09:40 AM)
Josh: I am completely opposed to doing anything because Stormfront does it. The fascist is not to be emulated in any way, shape, or form. I propose that we do something because WE choose to, not because Stormfront does. When I say explosives should be discussed, I say it from a chemist's point of view. Chemistry has always interested me, and discussing it with a group of like-minded individuals would be great, if it were allowed.

So am i, what a coi :angry: ncidence. Perhaps it's because you misread my post.

The main issue is a fear of prosecution and shutting of the site. I was using examples of why this is unlikely[/b]
I see. Well, fear seems to be the main tool of many clandestine organizations. Yielding to fear is not something I intend to do, and neither should RevolutionaryLeft. Websites can be shut down, but the data it was comprised of does not disappear from the host. It would not be a stretch to send out a group email message to alert RevLeft's members of a new home for the community, although it would be a pain. Plus, I do think that if any government organization asks that any questionable materials be removed from this site, they should be. But yielding before there is a problem? That I oppose with utmost fervor.


Fist of [email protected] May 6 2006, 9:45 AM
Also remember that this board is hosted in Germany. German laws are different than American laws. We would hate to get Malte in any trouble.

This is something that I did not know. I am nor familliar with Germany's laws, but I imagine that they are more opposed to Socialism than the United States (and I base this on absolutely nothing). I don't know if Germany reviews discussion boards (I would assume they do), but regardless of that I dont believe procecution would be their first move; It is far more plausable that they would save the state's money and just demand that posts be removed (a la China & Google).

edit: Inclusion of Fist of Blood response and reply

[atlas]

I havn't gone to the effort of reading all the posts, but I know invisionfreeis pretty strict about breaking their TOS. If discussing weapons/explosives, etc. is agaisnt the TOS they'll shut the forum down (I've seen it happen to a friends forum). Even if Malte was not condoning it and just looking the other direction, it would get shutdown for his inactions.

[Samuel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 01:12 AM
I havn't gone to the effort of reading all the posts, but I know invisionfreeis pretty strict about breaking their TOS. If discussing weapons/explosives, etc. is agaisnt the TOS they'll shut the forum down (I've seen it happen to a friends forum). Even if Malte was not condoning it and just looking the other direction, it would get shutdown for his inactions.
you're saying that this server is on a forum hosting service? what a pitty

[atlas]

It has the standard invisionfree layout, and invisionfree is usually hosted on their servers.

But I think it is possible to buy the software and host it on your own server. I would have thought of that but it was really late last night, or really early this morning; 6.12AM :unsure:

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

It is the software hosted on a server... this site is Invision Power Board, which is basically like the sexier version of invision free... hence why they make people pay for it...

[Samuel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 03:34 PM
It is the software hosted on a server... this site is Invision Power Board, which is basically like the sexier version of invision free... hence why they make people pay for it...
Invisionfree is a free host for the Invision Power Board php forum code. If you look at the bottom of this page, it says "Powered by Invision Power Board." Invisionfree doesn't own the IPB software, they simply use it. There are also other forum layouts, such as vBulletin and phpBB. I would think that this is hosted on its own server, as I hear it is hosted in Germany, and Invisionfree is an American company. Secondly, this forum is far to customized (what with skins and other stuff) to be on a free host.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Invisionfree is just a watered down version of IPB... it's ran by the same company in the effort that people will use the free one and go "I bet the costy version of this with lots more sexy features is so worth my while"...

[Samuel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:02 AM
Invisionfree is just a watered down version of IPB... it's ran by the same company in the effort that people will use the free one and go "I bet the costy version of this with lots more sexy features is so worth my while"...
didnt know that, learn something every day