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MurderInc
3rd May 2006, 21:56
For the first time in the history of the world, everyone can speak with everyone else.

This is both literal and metaphorical. But the concept is more or less sound. Laarge numbers of people can have a more vocal and physical presence in the workings of the world's governments. Take for example the recent demonstrations in the U.S. regarding people illegally entering the U.S., or regarding Immigration reform, depending on your point of view. It isn't the nature of the U.S. to stop such protests. It can't anyway, too many court cases support exactly such free speech.

But let's say it wanted to.

30 years ago, to have such a protest, you needed a press. Ink had to go on paper.

Not anymore. Everyone has their own press in their homes, and it's far more successful and less wasteful than the original one thought of by the Constitutional Framers in 1787.

In the post-WW II era, the U.S. called a lot of shots and most of the world accepted it.

At about the same time, the USSR called the shots for the "communist" world (sic).

What was unavailable for the citizens of the varoius nations of the world was an amendment process. No one had the logistics, world wide, to argue a point with either major power. The Western powers could not be challenged with, "We like what you've designed here about the equal protection of citizens, BUT, large numbers of people without proper healthcare..." Same for the Soviet Bloc: "Commie Party, we like the idea that everyone's labor will be equally appreciated, BUT this nonsense about nearly no international travel..."

Niether Adam Smith or Karl Marx could have fortold the power of this tool, and its potential has yet to be fully exploited.

I wonder whether a third point of view that is not socialist, nor capitalist, will emerge from the collective views of the world's population.

KC
3rd May 2006, 23:25
I wonder whether a third point of view that is not socialist, nor capitalist, will emerge from the collective views of the world's population.

Historical materialism says no.

More Fire for the People
4th May 2006, 02:59
Khayembii Communique beat me to the punchline. Historical materialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism#Marxist_beliefs_about_histo ry).

barista.marxista
4th May 2006, 03:36
No, a relative third way has been proposed. Postmodern post-industrialism is an academic idea, and many social-democratic states try to implement it (especially Scandinavia). But, no, it cannot be a competitive force with capitalism, and it cannot stabilize itself from crisis. Capitalism is still going strong, and an autonomist communist system is the only alternative we can forsee now.

LoneRed
4th May 2006, 06:40
in terms of a third way, that isnt communism or capitalism, isnt applicable. as to compete in this world, and to be competitive and survive as a country, one must follow the capitalist route, even if it does it with a smile

Dimentio
4th May 2006, 10:26
Alexander Bard has developed a thought called "Netocracy", but I personally believe that the IT-society is just a bridge to a more digital, class-society where the blue-collar workers are the new middle class and where the low-class is an "outcast segment" of people which haven't access to technology or employement.

Moreover, I believe that technocracy would possibly replace socialism in the future [2020;s, 2030;s] and become the new leading left-wing movement.

www.technocracy.org and http://spazz.mine.nu/cms