Greek anarchists gave Rice a warm welcoming

[Djehuti]

http://sweden.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/67935

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[perdido]

I think molotov cocktails will become the new symbol of leftists. that and rocks...

[Wiesty]

hahaha lovely

[Schleppy]

Could the writers have possibly come up with a better headline/picture combination?

I think not.

[RevMARKSman]

Yes! The streets belong to us! Tell em!

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Bravo! :D

[LoL84]

if the Greek anarchists do not have that a cocktail molotv to be opposed to Rice it can sleep quietly. The only way of imposing the report of force is the most largely to mobilize all Greek proletariat through a plain face of the Greek organized labour. Not to make this kind of action substitutist in the place of the masses. Only a person able to organize workers most largely possible is a revolutionist. The others give pleasure by sending kingpins.

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Actually I found this to be very beneficial, because it is saying to both the greek and american leaders, that the people are fed up with oppressive government both here and abroad, and it is showing a little taste of the power of said people. All in all, I say it was a good protest, bet it shocked the crap out of Ms. Rice.

Waiting slowly for something to happen, and evolution of the masses to take place is foolish, which is why I have pretty much abandoned my socio-politcal evolution theory, in favor of what Proudhon was talking about, we should strive to build public institutions up, such as banks, hospitals, and such so that the people become Autonomous, and increasingly seperate of government, and the populace will see that government is not necessary and thus a revolution will be inevitable.

[LoL84]

But Rice and the Greek government does not worry owing to the fact that some anarchists come to protest. What can worry them it is the organized action of all the organized labour against them.
And the elitist theory of the revolutionist who would make his actions isolated from the masses "to awake them" is completely idiot and already showed her inefficiency. You make a completely idealistic analysis of the report of forces between the classes. It is not while acting in its place which the revolution becomes inescapable it is by the means of its own experiments which it comes to the conclusions which the revolution is inescapable. It is what one calls in marxist language dialectic materialism. Apart from the concrete fights, therefore apart from the class struggle nothing can be built and make evolve their class consciousness.In Denmark, there is a village self-managed which exists since 1971. That did not change absolutely anything with the report of force.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Disciple of [email protected] 2 2006, 09:38 PM
Actually I found this to be very beneficial, because it is saying to both the greek and american leaders, that the people are fed up with oppressive government both here and abroad, and it is showing a little taste of the power of said people.
Yeah, sure, if by "the people" you mean 4 or 5 anarchist and communist kids throwing molotovs :rolleyes:

Way to go, "comrades", thanks for reinforcing the notion that anarchists are violent bombthrowers amongst the ignorant population, amongst other "myths".

Not as if Iran was an anarcho-syndicalist paradise anyway...


All in all, I say it was a good protest, bet it shocked the crap out of Ms. Rice.

I bet she didn't give a fuck.

Neither did her or Bush when there was this big protest when they came here, with (yep...) molotovs and stones thrown at cops, and with a bank being set on fire even when there was a building over it in which people live (all of this by anarchist AND trotskyists, amongst other "comrades").

[Everyday Anarchy]

Would you have preferred the anarchists run like cowards when the police stepped up? I'm proud of them for fighting back.

What exactly would you like? For us to stop fighting. To live how they want us to live. And only when we show that we aren't "violent bombthrowers," expect everybody to love us and then come join us? Not going to happen.
The people who fear anarchists because they believe they're violent bombthrowers aren't going to be convinced by acting like spineless liberals.
However, seeing that might incite revolt by others who would then bring their friends who'd bring their friends. Etc, etc.

[LoL84]

They are not friends who will say to friends who will say... etc who will make the revolution. Because at this rate there one can hopes to make the revolution in objectively 2500 years. And still it will have been necessary to invent an elixir of eternal life bus if not convinced time will have to die and it will be necessary all to start again...
The problem is not to want to fight or not. I think that here everyone will agree on the answer. The question is before very how to fight. For me the problem is not that the "anarchists" manifest against Rice but that the workers does it. I.e. to try to mobilize in a unit way trade unions and political parties of the labour movement. A demonstration of several tens of thousands of workers frightens much more the capitalists that 10 anarchists with a kingpin.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 10:29 PM
Would you have preferred the anarchists run like cowards when the police stepped up? I'm proud of them for fighting back.
I doubt the police started shooting them or anything. They just were there...to tempt the "chaos-loving terrorists", of course.

After all, it makes perfect sense to just block their way or just stay around an area where a protest will happen. That enrages those taking part of the demonstration and causes the reaction that benefits them the most: making it look like they are "needed" to "defend order".


What exactly would you like? For us to stop fighting.

I would like anarchists and other revolutionaries to stop making fools of themselves by falling for every attempt of bourgeois institutions to tempt them into making themselves look like that.


And only when we show that we aren't "violent bombthrowers," expect everybody to love us and then come join us? Not going to happen.

The problem is that every single time this incidents are shown in the media, it makes those groups look like terrorists. A rather awful thing when you add the masses' ignorance concerning "what they stand for".

The existing institutions pretend to represent "order" and "freedom", and a bunch of anarchists throwing molotovs with their faces covered to a bunch of policemen "doing their job" looks like a threat to that.


The people who fear anarchists because they believe they're violent bombthrowers aren't going to be convinced by acting like spineless liberals.

Maybe. Maybe not. But at least old middle class people won't whine about it or about how "we need to restore order" or how "Communism is a threat to our freedom" or about how "extremism is evil".

[bcbm]

Maybe. Maybe not. But at least old middle class people won't whine about it or about how "we need to restore order" or how "Communism is a threat to our freedom" or about how "extremism is evil".

If they can't handle a few rocks and molotovs thrown at cops, how are they going to feel when it comes time to start shooting them? :unsure:

[barista.marxista]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 3 2006, 12:00 AM
The problem is that every single time this incidents are shown in the media, it makes those groups look like terrorists.
The media sensationalizes any attack on the establishment like this. The solution isn't to become a spineless liberal and resort from molotoving shit that deserves it, but to not allow this to be your only action. Anarchists are, by and large, way more active (granted, from what I've seen) in building community projects, than those who call themselves Communists (read: Lennies). The Leninists in Greece staged candlelight vigils, an even more ineffective protest, that was meant to appeal to the liberals. You need to build within communities, as well as show violent opposition to capitalism. And it's only the anti-statists who do this.

[FinnMacCool]

I think that the media is going to misrepresent anarchists no matter what we do. THe only way to get things done is to try and hurt them economically.

This doesn't mean that I think the greek anarchists are doing the right thing. I mean they've got heart but really they should be attacking government buildings rather then the police. The police are just the States dog. Hurting them doesn't really help anyone.

Besides whats the point of throwing molotov cocktails at the police? It doesn't hurt them or anything. I've seen four videos of greeks throwing molotov cocktials in police and in all of them not one got hurt. In fact, the only time I've seen the greeks use affective tactics against the police was when they charged them and beat the shit out of the police with flags.

[Disciple of Prometheus]

What should be done? Sit around and theorize, and debate on which theory is better and fits a certain ideological paradigm, and play the "petite bourgeoisie," name game, while people are continue to be oppressed, and be enslaved by government? No.

Granted throwing molotovs is rather weak, and there should have been more comrades protesting, and I am not saying this was a "groundbreaking protest," I am just saying it is a step in the right direction. Given a little more planing, organizing, and effort, that could have been a better protest. Peaceful "protests," is not going to bring the state down, neither is not rising up and taking action.

Furthermore if that did not intimidate Ms. Rice, it wouldn't surprise me, sense that entire administration does not care about us non-government people, both here and abroad. :rolleyes: .


Way to go, "comrades", thanks for reinforcing the notion that anarchists are violent bombthrowers amongst the ignorant population, amongst other "myths".

So what if the government fears us, and finds us a threat, is that not what we want? I am sorry, I am not looking for a political goodguy badge, nor do I care what the government thinks. The only problem I see in some people viewing us in that light is, that they might be more apprehensive to join the revolution, however I think this could be dealt with, via, posters, pamphlets, and other information regarding the cause be distributed and discussed.

[Kurt Crover]

what the fuck would have preferred them to do? Sat round a table and discussed what makes them look cliche or not? "Oh I don't think we can throw stones" Jesus Christ...

[Comrade-Z]

On a somewhat related note...(I wonder if I should just start up a new topic? Or maybe we should just have one long thread entitled, "Anarchist firebombings in Greece: post 'em here!")

Police Clash With Anarchists in Athens (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/06/AR2006050601470_pf.html)


ATHENS, Greece -- Some 30,000 people marched Saturday in an anti-war and anti-globalization demonstration that also saw anarchist attacks on banks, shops and police vehicles.

Police said groups of hooded anarchists torched at least four banks, smashed shop windows, and threw gasoline bombs at police buses outside the capital's police headquarters before running off down side streets.

Officers used tear gas to disperse a small group of anarchists near the U.S. Embassy just north of the city center, and in central Syntagma Square, where rioters threw stones and chairs at a McDonald's restaurant.

One policeman and two demonstrators were injured, and 30 suspected rioters were detained, authorities said.

The clashes erupted as some 30,000 anti-globalization and anti-war demonstrators marched peacefully through the city center.

"We want jobs not bombs," read one of the many banners carried by marchers, who stopped briefly outside the U.S. and British embassies before heading to Syntagma Square.

The march was organized by the European Social Forum, which is holding a four-day meeting on the outskirts of Athens.

The march, which also included representatives of workers unions, left-wing groups and about 10,000 foreign activists, brought public transport services in central Athens to a halt, while shops shut down.

"We want jobs not bombs"? I think someone needs to explain to these reformists that there will never be full employment until capitalism is overthrown.

The question I ask is: why did they even bother to stop at the U.S. and British embassies. Those governments don't give a goddamn fuck about their little "peaceful" protest, unless there is at least the threat of violence against the ruling class to back the peaceful protest up. They at least need to be saying, "We're peaceful now, but if you don't heed our demands, we're gonna bring out the firebombs as well."

But the ruling class will definitely have the threat of anarchist direct action on their minds next time U.S. or British officials want to visit Greece.

I've got to say: wow, 4 banks! Well done, comrades. They've been busy lately. :lol:

[Janus]

Good. I&#39;m glad that it turned out this way but this still won&#39;t deter the US too much. <_<