Revolution

[mscommieparty]

What if instead of a widespread revolution, we put our efforts into a more concentrated solution. One that I have constantly thought of is a kind of working community. A person, or group of people, put in money to buy a relatively large amount of land somewhere where the poverty level is somewhat high. Once this is accomplished, go to the streets, and pick up people who look as if they are homeless. Tell them that you would give them food, water, and building supplies, if they will build their own houses. These would be simple houses. Nothing extravagant. they would then learn to grow their own food, and learn a trade. these people would then live together, trading these goods. Money would not be a problem. It would be a kind of "Banned item."


Think about it. It would need a lot of start-up money, but it could work!

[anti-authoritarian]

Would that really be a 'revolution' though? Plus I'm sure the Capitalist government would try and undermine anything associated with Communism or even Socialism.

[bunk]

Projects like you describe happen, as communes but mostly they just lose touch with the wider world. And slide fully in to lifestyleism(sp?) rather than being revolutionary.

[mscommieparty]

i know, but then again, if we're 'doing something with the hobos' as iv'e heard my iea called, the cappies dont really care

[which doctor]

Taxes.

[mscommieparty]

i thought about that. that ould be covered in some of the startup money in the beginning, but does anyone have any ideas for the long term? i thought if worse came to worse, we could kind of tax the people who lived in the commune. and to elaborate on the plan, it would disprove everyone's ideas about communism. people would decide their own jobs, and we would support that. people could marry who they want and name their kids how they want. there would be a certain amount of freedom, people would be (obviously) free to go whenever they want, but not neccesarily free to come back.

[Zero]

Or, you could simply travel worldwide with such organisations as Peace Corp, or Green Peace, and spread the word, along with helping them; be it manual labor, be it education, training...

[Seong]

Fully functional and somewhat independant communes have been around for a while now, but none of them have reached a scale even approaching 'revolution.'
It is the opinion of many here, which I agree with, that a communist revolution simply will not work unless it occurs on a somewhat more global scale. Even one communist 'nation' on its own has trouble surviving in the present as economic superpowers like America, repeatedly insist on placing trade embargos and sanctions in order to cow that nation into 'redeveloping diplomatic relations.' Revolution won't be possible unless there are several strong communist 'nations' supporting each other.

[redflag32]

What about setting up a business that is run on a socialist base as much as possible?Show people the alternative to greedy bosses.

[anti-authoritarian]

Certainly these short term methods will do good to our cause but they can never substitute revolution. The Capitalists will still be in power!

PS: I'm looking to setting up a commune - any ideas about how to go about it?

[RevSouth]

Any leftist revolution is good, but may not bring widespread change. As Seong pointed out, these are not well looked upon by the Western world. What needs to happen is a revolution, not even a successful one, in one of these powerful Western countries, to show future revolutionaries everywhere that there is hope.

[mscommieparty]

PS: I'm looking to setting up a commune - any ideas about how to go about it?




you are looking to start a commune? hmmm...

i have thought and thought, and when expressing this option at the age of 19, i was kicked out of my parents house. buy some land. get a communist or even just leftist construction worker, and offer him the idea. thyen go to the strrets, and tell people, mostly homeless, if you build your own house, i'll give you food! now tell me thats not appealing. as for taxes, i would try to get some of the goods that your commune produces, and sell them (capitalist, but what can you do?) for the tax money. eventually, it can ony grow.

[Fistful of Steel]

Nah, revolution wouldn't work. We're all just revolutionaries because Super Mario Brothers indoctrinated us subliminally to want a communist revolution.

Anyway, I subscribe to the domino theory or look at the proletariat of the world as gunpowder waiting to explode, once a little ignites the whole fucking keg will burst. I don't think a single revolution in a single country will be especially effective, but rather a mass world movement.

[Brekisonphilous]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 11:00 PM

PS: I'm looking to setting up a commune - any ideas about how to go about it?




you are looking to start a commune? hmmm...

i have thought and thought, and when expressing this option at the age of 19, i was kicked out of my parents house. buy some land. get a communist or even just leftist construction worker, and offer him the idea. thyen go to the strrets, and tell people, mostly homeless, if you build your own house, i'll give you food! now tell me thats not appealing. as for taxes, i would try to get some of the goods that your commune produces, and sell them (capitalist, but what can you do?) for the tax money. eventually, it can ony grow.
What if once the commune is functioning, they secede from the United states? Or would that even be a possibility? If so, what must go about happening before it is done?
I am also very interested of the idea of starting up a commune and keeping it functioning. Just imagine if the entire rev left board lived on this commune.. I think this would be a very good way to go about organizing the revolution. It would draw a lot of publicity and all kinds of people would be interested at seeing how it all works. These people could then come to communal meetings and from there they would bring their friends and it has the potential to really grow. It could start a whole movement.

[anti-authoritarian]

I've been thinking.

Wouldn't a trully succesful commune have to have some sort of command?

Otherwise some dumb ass cappie could just come and ruin it all...

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 11:29 AM
Wouldn't a trully succesful commune have to have some sort of command?
I believe they turn into something thats called a cult.

Besides whats wrong with running things democratically?

[anti-authoritarian]

Nothing. I think democracy is good, but how do you kick out a cappie thats intent on ruining everything?

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 01:34 PM
Nothing. I think democracy is good, but how do you kick out a cappie thats intent on ruining everything?
If everyone in your "commune" was a leftist i dont see why you cant vote to throw him out.

[anti-authoritarian]

Ah I see. Throwing people out via democracy!

[Brekisonphilous]

If the people didn't like the cappie, and everyone agreed on it, they could vote for out, and if that didn't work, they could kill him before he could take anything over. after all he would be trespassing because the people of the commune would own it. After all, he would be threatening the peoples way of life.

[Seong]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 02:25 AM
What about setting up a business that is run on a socialist base as much as possible?Show people the alternative to greedy bosses.
That's a great suggestion, but unfortunately one that very few capitalist businessmen would take on board. I do actually know a Belgian architect who works for Anarchists and loves his job because of the work environment. He reckons everyone who works there loves it. Who'da thunk it huh? :P