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philosopher
1st May 2006, 00:14
I have taken the liberty of drafting a new “manifesto of the communist party” which I have posted below in its entirety. I am sure that some people will consider this presumptuous and a little forward and I expect many to disagree strongly with its content. I hope however that everyone who reads it will find it at least a little interesting.

Good May Day to all.

Philosopher

MAN AND MACHINE

The development of mankind increasingly involves the intensification of mechanisation. In every area of industry and commerce we see a growing number of machines engaged in the daily task of manufacture and production, continual invention, the growth of the electricity industry, and the introduction of new forms of power and materials provide the means for rapid industrial change increasing the output or the workforce with the relentless introduction of new technology. Repetitive and tedious manual jobs once requiring the toil of an army of workers are now undertaken quickly and effortlessly by ingenious new machines. Nor is it just manual labour being replaced by mechanical power, the introduction of advanced high speed computers into offices and factories can assist in the intricate accounting and managerial functions once the preserve of skilled and educated professionals.

Now and again the introduction of new machines causes resentment when trained craftsmen whose skills have been acquired by long and arduous apprenticeships suddenly find their trades redundant in a rapidly changing world. But few mourn the passing of hard and monotonous work and the resistance against mechanisation is half-hearted and short lived. The invention and introduction of technology is a rapid and unstoppable process, each new advance bringing a greater and more diverse range of labour saving devices to produce goods for the eager and receptive consumer.

Like an army of worker ants millions of men and women are actively engaged in designing, constructing and assembling components for a gigantic and awesome machine, a production machine; for the moment crude and disjointed but being expanded and perfected constantly by the development of robotics and the addition of computers

MAN MACHINE AND CAPITALISM

Mechanisation will follow the path of those who control its destiny. Capitalism; a system based on greed and self-preservation with the privilege intrinsic within it develops isolated areas of intensive mechanisation, less concerned with output and more with profit, neglecting vast regions and their inhabitants with less money and goods are considered expendable in the drive for efficiency. Capitalism favours and fosters machinery to serve an increasingly affluent minority in its quest for profit leaving the majority of destitute people to struggle in a commercial environment made increasingly more cutthroat and hostile with the introduction of each new machine.

Capitalism concentrates wealth, power and privilege into those who own and control the production machinery; moreover capitalist commercial property rights demand an ever increasing accumulation or personal power and wealth in order to protect an individual’s self-preservation, bankruptcy leaving those who fail at the mercy of others. Capitalism will given the unhindered opportunity develop and foster communities accommodating owners and shareholders of the industrial complex and for a dwindling number of technicians employed to operate and perfect the industrial process. Capitalist communities will continue to reduce in size as smaller and more rapid advancement takes precedence over larger and more costly and cumbersome production requirements, small and increasingly isolated communities of extreme luxury and technical achievement surrounded by a mass of backwardness and abject poverty. Backwardness and poverty perpetuated by a market swamped by more efficiently and therefore cheaply produced goods destabilising the efforts and incentives of weaker competitors. Backwardness and poverty perpetuated by the advancement of modern industry itself.

MAN MACHINE AND SOCIALISM

The ownership of the means of production by a small and privileged section of the community will become more and more destructive and unacceptable as industry moves toward total automation. Workers who only have their labour to sell must in order to survive replace capitalism with a new socialist economic order, sweeping aside the entire system of private ownership of the means of production in a revolutionary transformation of commerce ushering in a new era in mans development, the dawning of a new era of freedom.

The communal ownership of the means of production will mark the beginning of the realisation of the aspirations of mankind. Commercial land, buildings machinery and all the apparatus of industry become the property of the community; held in trust by the state and made equally available to everyone through a system of rental. Workers organisations take the place of commercial profit accumulating companies in the new socialist economy utilising the commercial assets available for rent to produce their chosen commodities. Workers rewarded by the money generated by their own labour distributed from trading surpluses achieved through the production and sale of merchandise in a free and open market.

Unemployment; the unacceptable and inherent evil of the capitalist system disappears with the advent of socialism. A basic salary funded by the state through the asset rental system and taxation and drawn through the workplace creates an employment benefit instead of an unemployment benefit ensuring full employment.

With its inbuilt and ongoing expense underutilised machinery and property quickly become a liability, and the absence of the profit motive in the acquisition and disposal facilitate a rapid transfer of valuable assets into the hands of those best able to make use of them in the proper process of industrial development.

Socialism banishes inequality of opportunity and enterprise to the past by the abolition of all privately owned commercial property accumulated under capitalism by depriving the worker of his just reward, commercial property gathered for the benefit of shareholders at the expense of the workers who upon leaving or retiring from their employment stand to gain no future benefit from the unfair and often painful sacrifices.

Expansion of the productive output of the socialist economy becomes the responsibility of democratically elected government and not the result of competition and a drive for survival. Commercial property purchased by the state according to a predetermined plan from revenue raised through rental income is obtained from workers manufacturing organisations at prices determined by the free market according to desirability and rent producing value. The free market in consumer goods, productive machinery and construction ensures the attainment of excellence in production and the common ownership of industrial wealth with planned economic growth for production and prosperity ensures equality of opportunity and enterprise for all citizens.

The new socialist economic order ensures that the workers benefit equally from industrial development by preventing the accumulation of the means of production into the hands of a privileged minority. Socialism offers a golden opportunity for workers to join together in free trading associations, an era of true free enterprise, not the fraudulent free enterprise of private capital only open to those with sufficient money to compete, not the freedom to exploit others but the creation of a fair democratic facility for workers to truly benefit from the fruits of their own labour. The deployment of the means of production into the hands of the workers brings new purpose to the mechanisation process. No longer a competitor to the working man; the machine can be harnessed for its full potential. The machine once a weapon in the arsenal of capital engaged in a war of survival becomes at a stroke an instrument of peace, a tool for prosperity, a vital component in the building of a fully automated process for the benefit of all.

MAN MACHINE AND COMMUNISM

With each new addition and perfection machines will be able to undertake more and more tasks with the help of human effort, machines design machines, computers designed to operate machines and a host of ingenious new inventions designed to replace man in all aspects of the production process. Ultimately the machine can and will dispense with mans own labour, totally automated and capable of producing mans every want and need from automatically extracted raw materials and recycled goods the machine will be self-manufacturing, self-repairing and self-governing in every conceivable way, a machine processing goods to satisfy the needs of man instantly at the push of a button and even at the command of the spoken word, designing and producing instantly food, cloths and other requirements to the taste of each individual making commodities of all kinds as abundant and freely available as air itself.
The creation of a perfect society, a communist society guaranteeing total equality through free and instant production, total equality bought about by the abandonment of private property and the liberation from toil The true communist society of total equality not attainable in an underdeveloped world is the final act in the process of history; the ultimate state of human development made possible by the industrialisation and mechanisation process. Communism is not an alternative to capitalism but its ultimate and undeniable successor. Capitalism; worshiped like a sacred idol and believed by many to be an eternal institution will in fact not be able to survive in future society. In a world without shortages and the elimination of labour, money; the very basis of capital will cease to exist made redundant by total automation. Ironically each new machine acquired by individual capitalist firms for the sake of survival brings forward the day of the systems own destruction.

The liberation from work and the creation of the communist society will bring substantial benefits to mankind transforming society through the free and instant production of all material items previously obtained through hard work and jealously guarded as private property by individuals who have no easy way of furnishing their replacement. Selfishness over material items, greed, theft, and all other evils which are a direct result of shortage and private property will be banished forever. Mans estrangement from man becomes a relic of the past as all basis of conflict; individual wealth is superseded by the new order; communal wealth and the age of plenty. Even relationships between man and woman become fundamentally transformed, marriage hitherto maintained by material need as a matter of convenience will find new meaning in future society. Relationships; where they exist through lack of financial ties inevitably become based on mutual liking and understanding bringing a sense of decency to mankind whose morals have long been corrupted by the influence of money and the age of capital.


THE PROGRAM

Bring all commercial property including land, buildings, equipment, commercial vehicles, and machinery; advertised trade marks patents, working capital and all other commercially exploitable items into common ownership.

Create the legal framework for worker organisations to be formed including defining acceptable constitutions and prohibit such organisations to own or accumulate commercial property and equipment of any kind


Draft an economic development plan for the economy including anticipated revenue from asset rental and taxes and define state spending on investment in new equipment and on public services.
Introduce legislation covering the contractual obligations of worker organisations renting industrial land, buildings and equipment with regard to maintenance and condition at the end of term. Include environmental factors with regard to land use to ensure that land used for both industry and agriculture is not poisoned or overused and rental levels are sufficient to repair damage and wear and tear.

Ensure the provision of a free health service, free education, and ensure that all other branches of government are set up to operate in the new economic order.


WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE YOU HAVE A BETTER WORLD TO WIN AND NOTHING TO LOSE EXCEPT INJUSTICE, INEQUALITY, WORLD POVERTY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER!

redstar2000
1st May 2006, 01:30
Here's the "worm" in your "apple"...


Originally posted by philosopher
The free market in consumer goods, productive machinery and construction ensures the attainment of excellence in production and the common ownership of industrial wealth with planned economic growth for production and prosperity ensures equality of opportunity and enterprise for all citizens.

In any form of "market economy", how well you live depends entirely on how much money you have.

Thus you have a "built-in" incentive to do anything that increases your personal wealth.

What you do might be "socially useful"...but it doesn't have to be!

And you know where that leads. :o

"Market Socialism" -- Are We "For Sale"? (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083079914&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

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Red Axis
1st May 2006, 01:46
I like what Philosopher said, but Redstar2000 is clearly more well versed in communist thought than any of us are.

barista.marxista
1st May 2006, 04:57
I tried writing a new Communist Manifesto when I was fifteen. But I soon realized the old one was still entirely relevant. ;)

philosopher
1st May 2006, 20:39
How well you live within the capitalist system depends on how much money you have and how much money you can accumulate for commercial investment and exploitation. Where the means of production are exclusively held in common ownership how well you live depends on how hard you work and how much you earn. Earnings which are only relevant on the day drawn and are for personal use only

In all economic systems there is a danger that individuals will drift toward activities which are not "socially useful" Equally under any socialist system laws would have to be put in place to prevent abuse. Bearing in mind that fees for asset use including working capital could be incorporated within the tax system any attempt to cheat would be tax evasion and which is a crime in any economic system.

anomaly
1st May 2006, 22:27
Originally posted by philosopher
Where the means of production are exclusively held in common ownership how well you live depends on how hard you work and how much you earn.
Are you talking about TLVs?

But that's not communism. Collectivism maybe.

Well, it would be. But...

Bearing in mind that fees for asset use including working capital could be incorporated within the tax system any attempt to cheat would be tax evasion and which is a crime in any economic system.
'Taxes' are simply a tool with which to prop up the state.

So, in your devised system, where would our 'taxes' go? Some benevolent government?

This all sounds suspiciously like market socialism AKA reformism.

philosopher
2nd May 2006, 00:40
Rental money and taxes raised would be used to maintain, renew and expand the commercial and industrial base according to the economic plan. Once common ownership has been achieved only the state would be allowed to pay for and provide items which are used in the production process.

To allow free use would mean the user would become “de facto” owner and bring about a return to private ownership.

Since virtually every country has returned to capitalism or at least to a major extent (except perhaps North Korea) It is difficult to see how any move could be construed as revisionism.

While at the stage of just perusing a political ideology the process for most activists is at its most interesting; however once in office as government most of the work required will have overtones of being bourgeois as merchandise still has to be manufactured and decisions made where to allocate finance within the economy.

anomaly
2nd May 2006, 00:55
Originally posted by philosopher
Rental money and taxes raised would be used to maintain, renew and expand the commercial and industrial base according to the economic plan.
So the profit motive is not eliminated? Nor is common ownership; it seems you just wants nationalization.


Once common ownership has been achieved only the state would be allowed to pay for and provide items which are used in the production process.
Translation: "I want another hyper-state." :o


Since virtually every country has returned to capitalism or at least to a major extent (except perhaps North Korea)
Returned to capitalism? Russia and China have evolved into capitalist economies. They never were communist or socialist, though, despite their rhetoric.

philosopher
2nd May 2006, 01:22
You lost me. If not common ownership of the means of production how would you define SOCIALISM?

anomaly
2nd May 2006, 01:42
Most socialists say they want a dictatorship of the proletariat, that is, dictatorship of the class. So they then usually want a workers' state to go along with it.

I really don't know the specifics of what the socialists want. Probably some would agree with the nationalization you describe. But others would want more workers' control.

But I'm not a socialist.

However, let me point out that common ownership does not equal state ownership. The former implies ownership of everyone, the latter implies ownership of the state. The state can never equal everyone, otherwise we wouldn't have a state!

Hope that made sense...

MKS
2nd May 2006, 02:38
The world doesn’t need another Communist Manifesto; the original one has done enough damage to the progression of Liberty!

Isn’t it time we call Communism what it really is; veiled tyranny. I would gladly die in a fight against the rise of another Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Castro (post-revolution Castro).

Its time to shake the tree and let the bad apples fall to the ground

JKP
2nd May 2006, 03:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 05:59 PM
The world doesn’t need another Communist Manifesto; the original one has done enough damage to the progression of Liberty!

Isn’t it time we call Communism what it really is; veiled tyranny. I would gladly die in a fight against the rise of another Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Castro (post-revolution Castro).

Its time to shake the tree and let the bad apples fall to the ground
Communism and anarchism are the same type of society. Namely, a classless, stateless, moneyless, society.

Entrails Konfetti
2nd May 2006, 03:35
"Man Machine" just sounds like sex.

MKS
2nd May 2006, 04:00
Communism and anarchism are the same type of society. Namely, a classless, stateless, moneyless, society

Anarchism, with the exception of the Spanish Civil War, has never really been attempted. Communism has been attempted and the nations and empires it helped create or were created as communist/socialist were obviously horrible crimes against liberty and progression of equality. They simply replaced the former tyranny with a new one. Modern Communism gives clear definitions and charges to a "state" and the "people", it actively seeks to divide humanity, maybe not along labour and ownership lines, but any division for any reason is not compatible with a "classless" society.

Communists have a hard time realizing their ideal differs greatly from their reality, and too often dismiss the very real consequences of attempted Marxism, Maoism or Leninism all of which come from the womb of Communism. Communism has been attempted but has proved inadequate and now stands as an impediment to the establishment of a substantial egalitarian society.

red_che
2nd May 2006, 09:25
I think there is something contradictory


Bring all commercial property including land, buildings, equipment, commercial vehicles, and machinery; advertised trade marks patents, working capital and all other commercially exploitable items into common ownership.

Create the legal framework for worker organisations to be formed including defining acceptable constitutions and prohibit such organisations to own or accumulate commercial property and equipment of any kind

You want common ownership but you don't want the workers organizations to own them.

Well, The Communist Manifesto is still valid today as it was when it was written.

JKP:


Communism and anarchism are the same type of society. Namely, a classless, stateless, moneyless, society.

Err, no. There is big difference. Big differences, in fact.

1. The question as to how communism is to be achieved has been one of big difference between the two.

2. Communists want to establish a revolutionary transition state (until it withers away when the economic basis is in). Anarchists don't want to accept this fact.

3. What transformation will the state undergo in communist society? This follows up the firs question. And anarchists have different view. They don't want any form of state at all.

4. Communism is the society that would replace capitalism, anarchism is not.

And many other else...

philosopher
2nd May 2006, 10:02
The views expressed by Marx regarding worker co-operatives where the owners and workers were one and the same was that they are no more than joint stock companies who have their own separate vested interests and inevitably act like capitalist companies to protect what they have to the detriment of other workers.

I believe that this view is still relevant now and probably more so.

Black Dagger
3rd May 2006, 16:23
Err, no. There is big difference. Big differences, in fact.

1. The question as to how communism is to be achieved has been one of big difference between the two.

2. Communists want to establish a revolutionary transition state (until it withers away when the economic basis is in). Anarchists don't want to accept this fact.

3. What transformation will the state undergo in communist society? This follows up the firs question. And anarchists have different view. They don't want any form of state at all.

4. Communism is the society that would replace capitalism, anarchism is not.

And many other else...

You say much but yet you say nothing at all. Nothing you said above has demonstrated that anarchism and communism are 'different', merely that anarchists and marxists have different ideas about how to get to a stateless, classless society aka. communism aka anarchism.

philosopher, do you support violent revolution to smash the state and capitalism? Or is this technocratic 'state' meant to 'evolve' over time?

philosopher
3rd May 2006, 16:54
I believe that the transformation to socialism should and can be achieved through peaceful democratic means. This requires a precise program to be conveyed to the public which is trusted and distances the left from the criminal acts of Stalin etc. Many people still consider the movement “guilty by association” particularly when the word communism is used.

Very few people (probably including me) have a clear understanding of what anarchist stand for.

Dyst
3rd May 2006, 17:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:15 PM
I believe that the transformation to socialism should and can be achieved through peaceful democratic means. This requires a precise program to be conveyed to the public which is trusted and distances the left from the criminal acts of Stalin etc. Many people still consider the movement “guilty by association” particularly when the word communism is used.

Very few people (probably including me) have a clear understanding of what anarchist stand for.
Though I believe capitalism will in a sense fall because of economical crisis, I do also believe there will be some violence.

However I do not see it as particularily important. Our goal is not violence. If our means will be, that should in my opinion be up to our enemies to decide.

I think it is rather counter-revolutionary to have a precise program to follow. Who is to write this program?

The goal of the revolution should essentially be to eradicate every authority in society. And by authority I mean particularily capitalists, since in these days power and wealth go hand in hand.

I agree, it can be hard to understand what anarchists stand for, in general. That is because there are so many different parts of it. Some are right-wing idiots, the worst kind of idiots I have ever met. Some are only anarchists for the culture of it. Others are intelligent types, many of whom you will find on this board.

redstar2000
3rd May 2006, 17:11
Originally posted by philosopher
I believe that the transformation to socialism should and can be achieved through peaceful democratic means.

You propose that a violent and undemocratic system be replaced "peacefully" and "democratically".

That is, as it is said, "a neat trick".

Don't bet the rent money on it. :lol:

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Black Dagger
3rd May 2006, 17:17
I believe that the transformation to socialism should and can be achieved through peaceful democratic means. This requires a precise program to be conveyed to the public which is trusted and distances the left from the criminal acts of Stalin etc. Many people still consider the movement “guilty by association” particularly when the word communism is used.

So what does this mean for organising? Should communist focus on building a socialist party in order to win power at federal elections? And from here 'build' socialism?


Very few people (probably including me) have a clear understanding of what anarchist stand for.

For a good introduction try this:
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/

Sentinel
3rd May 2006, 17:37
The ownership of the means of production by a small and privileged section of the community will become more and more destructive and unacceptable as industry moves toward total automation. Workers who only have their labour to sell must in order to survive replace capitalism with a new socialist economic order, sweeping aside the entire system of private ownership of the means of production in a revolutionary transformation of commerce ushering in a new era in mans development, the dawning of a new era of freedom.


I believe that the transformation to socialism should and can be achieved through peaceful democratic means.

While I totally agree that automation and mechanisation will play key roles in the future of mankind like you described in your manifesto, Philosopher, I'm also dead convinced that the capitalists won't let capitalism go peacefully. They are going to defend their privileged status with violently when other means cease to exist.

Rather, the future development with it's extreme polarisation of living conditions will bring on the required level of class consciousness among the proletariat to trigger the revolution in the west. A violent one.

realleft
17th May 2006, 15:48
Let us first try to comprehend the "Communist Manifesto"1848 in letter and spirit and in toto for further speculation.