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ChiTown Lady
13th April 2003, 07:43
Yet a second US Imperialist Flag incident occurred in Iraq this past week. This is the topic of this post.

In watching the “on air” media footage of the statue being toppled, I found it interesting that what I saw were only about 30 Iraqi people out there toppling the statue and dancing around along with the US Marines. If the Iraqi people were truly celebrating the fact that the US has trampled their homeland in the name of their freedom – in Baghdad (a city of 5.5 million people) I would have expected to see 10’s of 1000’s of Iraqis out there taking that statue down. But this was not the case was it? Hmmm. Maybe they are not all that happy with the US occupation there.

Back to the statue incident, specifically -

This is something that I was NOT aware of until I read some foreign media sites Thursday, as it was NOT publicized in the US media. A US Marine put a US American flag over the head of Saddam, prior to taking the statue down! WTF This is a sign of occupation, NOT liberation – as we all know.

I have quoted below, both news media from al-Jazeera and the BBC News regarding this incident.

The al-Jazeera site also even has a picture of this shit happening. Evidently, when they were getting ready to pull the statue of Saddam down, a US marine draped the American flag over the face of the statue. Good Lord!!! This is NOW the second time the marines erected the US flag in the face of the Iraqi people. Didn't they learn ANYTHING the first time they made that stupid-ass jesture - are they completely stupid or are they purposely and blatantly trying to portray "occupation" as opposed to the touted official line that claims this to be a "liberation" mission.

This is what the al-Jazeera article said about that:

Questions arise about what is, and isn't, shown.

One obvious question: During live coverage, viewers saw a US soldier drape over the face of Hussein a US flag, which was quickly removed and replaced with an Iraqi flag.

Commanders know that the displaying the US flag suggests occupation and domination not liberation. NBC's Tom Brokaw reported that the Arab network Al Jazeera was "making a big deal" out of the incident with the American flag, implying that US television would -- and should -- downplay that part of the scene. Which choice tells the more complete truth?

Another difference between television in the US and elsewhere has been coverage of Iraqi casualties. Despite constant discussion of "precision bombing," the US invasion has produced so many dead and wounded that Iraqi hospitals stopped trying to count.

*** End of what I posted here from the al-Jazeera article

The full al-Jazeera article along with the picture of the flag incident is here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/articl...7&parent_id=258 (http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/article.asp?cu_no=1&item_no=2256&version=1&template_id=277&parent_id=258)

Here is what the BBC News had to say about this flag incident:

Marines say that the US flag draped over Saddam Hussein's statue was the flag that was flying over the Pentagon on 11 September 2001.

It was later replaced with the Iraqi flag after the people shouted for it.

One of my close Iraqi friends went up to an American marine and said to him: "I'm going to exercise my right of free speech for the first time in my life - we want you out of here as soon as possible."

*** End of what I posted here from the BBC article

Here is the whole BBC article, if you want to read it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2935641.stm

Even if this was the flag that was flying over the Pentagon on 9/11/2001, which I doubt that it was - What does that have to do with Saddam? It has already been established that Saddam and Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. There is NO connection between Saddam and al-Queda (sp.?) This is such a gross display of US ignorance, which seems to be the norm lately rather than the exception (American ignorance I mean). This go beyond embarrassing from my perspective and only makes me want to disassociate myself with my
homeland all the more.

This business of erecting US American flags in the face of the Iraqi people is an outrage, and I highly object to it – in addition to objecting to a whole host of other things being done against the people of Iraq.

Anarcho
13th April 2003, 07:53
I wouldn't necessarily call being broadcast live on all 4 major 24 news networks in realtime while it was occuring "downplaying".

It happened, yes. Was it significant? I don't think so. Many people forget that the men and women fighting in Iraq are human beings too, and that sometimes they are going to do things for personal reasons. I think it's entirely possible that the flag that was briefly placed across the face of Saddam's statue was more of a symbol for the fighting forces in and around Iraq.

The flag was in place for no more than few minutes... then it was taken down, and a pre-1991 Iraqi flag was placed around the neck of Saddam's statue.

That flag was also removed before the statue was toppled.

ChiTown Lady
13th April 2003, 08:22
This is my point though - doing that shit period, whether for a few minutes or not is a sign of occupation, not liberation - and even the dumbest of US Soldiers should be able to comprehend that point.

Plus the fact that there were so few Iraqis out there paraking in that activity shows the fact that they are NOT happy with the shit goin' down in their country at the hands of the US Armed forces.

Anarcho
13th April 2003, 09:08
I dont think it's necessarily indicative of that at all.

If the US flag means conquest, what does it's removal and replacement with an Iraqi flag mean? One can't use symbolism only when it fits ones particular agenda.

During the rally, an AK was fired off to the side of that park. To me, that would indicate that the area was still not completely cleaned out of Fedayeen or Ba'ath party folks.

If a rally had been held a year ago to topple a statue and decry the Ba'ath regime, it would have ended in a slaughter. Anyone who spoke out publicly against the regime was "disappeared", like those that spoke out against Stalin during the purges.

The fact that a couple hundred people (by my estimation, based on the live footage that was shown on several station) people came out for the rally means that there are a great number that are still afraid that the regime will be back.

The Kurds are not the only ones that remember what happened to those that cheered the US back in '91.

There were lots of people walking past the park in question. Many of them were waving to US soldiers in the tanks that were patrolling. They didn't go join the rally, but then given the situation, I probably wouldn't have either.

Was it well timed propaganda? Probably, at least in part.

Does that mean the emotion was faked? Not necessarily.

Pete
13th April 2003, 14:35
It was the front page picture in the Toronto Star ^_^