Log in

View Full Version : A Poll



emokid08
30th April 2006, 02:52
I was just curious, what do you consider yourself?
Please take my poll.
I apologize in advance if I missed your ideology.

My Poll (http://l5vt.pollhost.com/)

RedAnarchist
30th April 2006, 02:59
I voted anarcho-syndicalist.

YKTMX
30th April 2006, 03:13
I vote this the most redundant thread in RevLeft history.

Fistful of Steel
30th April 2006, 03:16
I wasn't sure whether to vote myself an anarcho-communist, a libertarian communist, or a libertarian socialist. I went with anarcho-communist since I'm pretty sure libertarian socialist is a catch-all kinda term, I wasn't sure exactly what libertarian communism was, and I see pretty well eye to eye with what anarchist communism is.

emokid08
30th April 2006, 03:27
Thanks YKTM!
;)

:rolleyes:

OneBrickOneVoice
30th April 2006, 04:42
See I'm confused. Although I voted Marxist-Leninist, I disagree with the DOP. Is there a from of leninism that doesn't include a DOP?

The Grey Blur
30th April 2006, 15:29
Libertarian Socialist

bolshevik butcher
30th April 2006, 15:41
I think this is a bit daft. Someone could fit into several and there are different conceptions about what each one entails.

cenv
30th April 2006, 21:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:57 AM
See I'm confused. Although I voted Marxist-Leninist, I disagree with the DOP. Is there a from of leninism that doesn't include a DOP?
If you don't believe in the DoP, you aren't a Marxist, much less a Leninist.

In case you misunderstood what the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' means, it refers to the working class being the ruling class. The important thing to remember is that in the dictatorship of the proletariat, rule by majority as opposed to rule by minority is taking place, unlike capitalism, which would be called 'dictatorship of the bourgeoise' to stick with the 'dictatorship of X' terminology. You might want to consider reading Wikipedia's page concerning the DoP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat).

Anyway, I don't really like to label myself (or anybody else) as one thing or another, but I think my views could best be described as Marxism-Leninism, so that's what I voted for.

LoneRed
4th May 2006, 06:54
it seems a bit biased towards a more anarchist viewpoint,

why No just Marxist or communist?

Jimmie Higgins
4th May 2006, 07:26
What do people mean when they say "marxist-lenninist"? I always thought that "marxist-lenninist" is the "official" name for Stalinists.

If you call yourself a "Marxist-Lenninist" because you advocate Marxismand Lenninism, then wouldn't you just be a Lenninist?

Wells
21st May 2006, 00:39
I would regard myself as a Socialist Democratic Reformist. Yea I know what your thinking, What you doing on this site??? Well it seems revolutionaries are the only ones with spirit left in them, democratic socialism in this country has been smashed by third way careerists. :(

OneBrickOneVoice
23rd May 2006, 02:09
I put Anarcho-Syndicalist. Personally I think Libertarian socialism, Anarcho-communism, and even autonomous marxism are pretty similiar and I could identify with any of those.

Brekisonphilous
23rd May 2006, 05:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 01:09 AM
I put Anarcho-Syndicalist. Personally I think Libertarian socialism, Anarcho-communism, and even autonomous marxism are pretty similiar and I could identify with any of those.
Same here. but I also consider myself an eco-anarchist.

Zero
23rd May 2006, 07:38
Well Lefty, I dissagree with the Leninist interpretation of the DoP, and side more with RS2K about Internet referendums, and Direct Democracy. I believe that is what Marx was refering to about the DoP... though I may be wrong.

Then again, in the 1840's Its kind of hard to imagine a person sitting alone at home in front of a glowing box with a strange alphabet pad, and being fully in-tune with the happenings around the world.

I voted Anarcho-Communist, though I think Marxist Anarcho-Communist would be more accurate, as any form of dictatorship is not necisarry.

CCCPneubauten
23rd May 2006, 20:24
Maoist 1% 1
Trotskyist 13% 10
Marxist-DeLeonist 3% 2
Marxist-Leninist 10% 8

Man...represent! :P

Who was the Maoist?

EusebioScrib
24th May 2006, 01:11
Damn 9 Autonomistas?

Is this poll only for RevLefters or was it open to others.

Who else put Autonomist????

Zero
24th May 2006, 01:13
Looks like the RAANistas have it =P.

bezdomni
26th May 2006, 22:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 06:26 AM
What do people mean when they say "marxist-lenninist"? I always thought that "marxist-lenninist" is the "official" name for Stalinists.

If you call yourself a "Marxist-Lenninist" because you advocate Marxismand Lenninism, then wouldn't you just be a Lenninist?
[COLOR=red]LENINIST, please start spelling it right. ;)

It is a typical position of Stalinists that Stalinism does not exist, that it is the only "true" continuation of Marxism-Leninism, and that there is no difference between so-called Stalinism and Marxism-Leninism. Of course, there is, since Marxism-Leninism never identifies with the position of "socialism in one country", which is unique only to Stalinists.

Marxism-Leninism branches off into three main divisions. Stalinism, Trotskyism and Maoism. There are some "purist" Marxist-Leninists (like Massoud and Tragic Clown) that don't follow any of the continuations of Marxism-Leninism because there is no need to do so.

I hope that cleared it up?

At any rate, I fall into at least 3 categories on this poll. I put Trotskyist, but I am also a Marxist-Leninist and a Communist.

TC
4th June 2006, 07:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:42 AM
See I'm confused. Although I voted Marxist-Leninist, I disagree with the DOP. Is there a from of leninism that doesn't include a DOP?
No.

Marxism-Leninism is Marxist first...and since Marx was the person who origionally advocated the DoP and coined the term, to be a marxist is to support the DoP in principle...

...the dictatorship of the proletariat simply refers to the use of a proletarian state to protect proletarian controlled means of production from capitalists.


What do people mean when they say "marxist-lenninist"? I always thought that "marxist-lenninist" is the "official" name for Stalinists.


There are no stalinist orgnizations, Stalin did not recognize 'stalinism', therefore there is no one to make an "official" name for it.

The only people who use the term are Trotskyists who use it lable their Soviet political opponents.


Well Lefty, I dissagree with the Leninist interpretation of the DoP, and side more with RS2K about Internet referendums, and Direct Democracy. I believe that is what Marx was refering to about the DoP... though I may be wrong.

:rolleyes: yes clearly Marx had internet referendums in mind. I think this was described in an email sent by [email protected] to [email protected] entitled "Subect: DoP online votes, what do u thinx?" in march of 1879.

Personally i think its ironic that RS2K has adopted one of the most authoritarian perspectives for running this website as well as in his politics in general so i think the idea is baffeling. Why no try to run the website by referendums online first, huh? And don't give the infamous "a website is not a country" line as it seems that RS2K wants to threat the later like the former.


The Marxist-Leninist view of the dictatorship of the proletariat is Marx's view: all states work for a class, workers can appoint people to work for them as a state just as capitalists can...a state is simply a tool for one class to protect its property from another class, the mechanism itself has no class or ideological basis anymore than a a factory does...its a matter of who is using it.

Marxists-Leninists support democracy and democratic workers authority over undemocratic forces. Anarchists on the other hand oppose democratic authority (though the founders of anarchism often supported various forums of despotism and minority rule).

OneBrickOneVoice
4th June 2006, 07:53
wow i just realized I voted twice. I'm an idiot.

BTW, what would Libertarian Communists do to rid society of capitalism? Do they use the DOP or what?

TC
4th June 2006, 08:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 09:53 PM


It is a typical position of Stalinists that Stalinism does not exist, that it is the only "true" continuation of Marxism-Leninism, and that there is no difference between so-called Stalinism and Marxism-Leninism. Of course, there is, since Marxism-Leninism never identifies with the position of "socialism in one country", which is unique only to Stalinists.

Marxism-Leninism branches off into three main divisions. Stalinism, Trotskyism and Maoism. There are some "purist" Marxist-Leninists (like Massoud and Tragic Clown) that don't follow any of the continuations of Marxism-Leninism because there is no need to do so.

I hope that cleared it up?

At any rate, I fall into at least 3 categories on this poll. I put Trotskyist, but I am also a Marxist-Leninist and a Communist.
Stalinism *can't* exist because Stalin didn't contribute anything substantial to marxist theory. When one refers to someone as a "Stalinist", in fact they mean that they support Stalin's policies, or rather what they take to be Stalin's policies, rather than some sort of "Stalinist political ideology" as there is no such thing. This is using the term in a different way than all of the other terms are used. In any case if you use this definition than Mao and virtually all Maoists would also be "Stalinists"; or rather the reverse as there aren't many who 'uphold' Stalin but don't 'uphold' and more closely identify with Mao.

If anything can properly be called "Stalinist" its probably the Anti-Revisionist movement that opposed the Soviet government after Krushchev denounced Stalin in the "Secret Speech."


Maoism is also silly because Mao's contributions were also political rather than theoretical...it should be noted that no one in China calls themselves Maoists. The idea of "maoism" as an ideology originated in Latin America as groups of Marxist-Leninists wanted to apply Mao's guerrilla tactics to local conditions as they thought they were more suitable than say, the party based tactics that Lenin used. However this is not an ideological modification, it is simply a different tactical approach.

Some people in the first world however take "Maoism" as essentially adopting all of Mao's political positions, which is somewhat difficult as he had a long career and changed his mind frequently. Its also highly irrelevent in the current political context.

Only the British trotskyists hold onto Trotskyism seriously i think. The major US and European parties which sided with Trotsky during the split to the fourth internaitonal, have all droped the lable and simply gone with Marxist-Leninist as they don't find it relevant anymore. Trotsky's party in the United States, the Socialist Workers Party USA, and its main successor party, the Workers World Party, for instance, might still have a historical affinity for Trotsky but they don't lable themselves 'Trotskyist' anymore because such a distinction has very little significance today...the times are not what they were and trying to extrapolate what trotsky would think today is both futile and boarders on hero worship.

I also don't think that "Stalinism, Trotskyism and Maoism", even if you grant that they all exist as such, can be said to be "the three main branchs of Marxism-Leninism." Trotskyism has never held political power anywhere, therefore i think it hardly qualifies as a "main division" and supporters of Stalin have been marginalized ever since his faction led at the time by Georgy Malenkov was voted out of office in 1955, if "Stalinism" is a valid description, at all, it ended with Khrushchev (unless you want to count Enver Hoxha as a "Stalinist").

Maoism is powerful in Latin America, India and Nepal, since Maoist "Naxalites" control 30% of Indian territory, Nepali Maoists are finishing their revolution, and many Bolivarians including FARC leaders, the Shining Path and Hugo Chavez self-identify as Maoists (although...since clearly neither the FARC or Hugo Chavez take an anti-revisionist stance on foriegn relations, they clearly understand what this means very differently than first world self described Maoists do).

Euro-Communism is also significant in that it some degree of electoral success in Europe, to a far greater extent than either Maoism or Trotskyism (Euro-Communism being the Marxist-Leninist who oppose both Trotskyism and Anti-Revisionism and support the post-Stalin warsaw pact and Cuba). They have elected officials in France and Germany and form part of the coalition government of Italy for instance.

However, the *MAIN* branch of Marxism-Leninism surely is the internationalist, mutually supportive non-western socialist movement. The Marxist governments in power in Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, China, Venezuela, Moldova, West Bengal, Laos, Moldova, TransDnister and Bolivia all support each other and are interconnected politically, diplomatically, and economically; they don't behave in the sectarian way that some western Marxist-Leninists do because they have more important things to worry about than who prefered which dead early 20th century political leader. They don't worry about what sect they're in, they're all anti-imperialist socialists.