what is the main consensus here on the ZAPATISTAS?

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

i am especially curious to see what the response is by those who call themselves right-wings or cappies. i support the zapatistas, but sometimes i think that subcomandante marcos has bit of a personality cult. what is the general consensus on the EZLN here?

[JudeObscure84]

I support the Zapatistas. They are proly the only insurection group I will ever support, primarily because thier focus is not all on violence,revolution and upheavel but educating the indegenous class. While they are Che fans, thier movement is not really right nor left.

[JudeObscure84]

but sometimes i think that subcomandante marcos has bit of a personality cult

Lately he's been sounding a bit nutty. He's been spouting off new world order conspiracies. I hope he doesnt end up like Guzman and the Shinging Path.

[cyu]

While they are Che fans, thier movement is not really right nor left.

They claim to want greater democracy and to be against capitalism. That sounds "left" to me. What aspects do you think makes them less "left"?

[amanondeathrow]

I hope he doesnt end up like Guzman and the Shinging Path.

This is very doubtful considering, unlike Guzman, Marcos has not really developed any theories that can be attributed solely to him.

The EZLN is focused more on political action then developing their own unique theory.

[IronColumn]

The Zapatistas are great. Let's just hope they export their revolution out of Chiapas.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

i don't really know much about them as maybe some of you might , so if you can correct me if im wrong that would be great...

even though as many of you might know that im a capitalist and right wing, and that i don't support these "revolutionary" people and nothing of the left and i hate Che...but from what i read in a Comperative Politics book which had a section on Mexico, the Zapatistas are fighting for their indigenous people, don't really know why? i guess they have been oppressed? :unsure: but i do know that the PRI was fucking crap, they have been nothing more than a dictatorship for 70 years in Mexico, killing student demonstrators in the 60's and doing NOTHING in the 1985 earthquake, and thankfully Fox beat them in the last elections, but im not sure if Zapatistas support Fox? etc.... this is all i know...if any of you can clear up on the subject that would be fine, i can just go to wiki, but i would prefer for any of you who might know better to clear it up..

thanks

[violencia.Proletariat]

I doubt they will ever ammount to much since they've given up violence. I don't understand what they hope to accomplish with this "other campaign" accept a reformist future.

[Red Axis]

I am somewhat unfamiliar with what the Zapatistas want. Is is a Latin homeland? Because if it is racial seperatism I oppose them. Any racial nationalism, whether black, white, what have you, is just as bad as the KKK I think. It is time to abandon this and forget race, and I don't feel the Zapatistas can do that.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:57 AM
I doubt they will ever ammount to much since they've given up violence. I don't understand what they hope to accomplish with this "other campaign" accept a reformist future.
Agreed. The Zapatistas have never had a real insurgency agenda, preferring instead to settle for bourgeois politics.

[JudeObscure84]

They claim to want greater democracy and to be against capitalism. That sounds "left" to me. What aspects do you think makes them less "left"?

Well they certainly do not claim to be revolutionary marxists. Zapata was certainly not a marxist. The Zapatistas sought to control their native Chiapas in order to bring in resources in through NGOs to educate the populace and reform Mexican politics with an educated indegenous population. They claim to hold no ideology at all nor want to turn mexicoor chiapas into any marxist state.
You do not have to be leftist in order to really do these things.

If politics really became as corrupt as Mexico here in the states. I could see a right wing militia in Podunk, Iowa taking over a small region, even with the consensus of the public, and restructuring thier town to educate the populace. Now when I mean right wing, I'm trying to mean KKK or anything like that, but more or less conservative patriotic type of right wing.