Gay bashing students rally in "Day Of Truth"

[red team]

700 highschools participate in "day of truth" anti-gay rally. :angry:

Anti-gay Religious Rally (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49928)

[CCCPneubauten]

I have just looked at the 'Day of Truths' web site....just thought I'd share the 'information'


The Day of Truth was established to counter the promotion of the homosexual agenda and express an opposing viewpoint from a Christian perspective.

In the past, students who have attempted to speak against the promotion of the homosexual agenda have been censored or, in some cases, punished for their beliefs. It is important that students stand up for their First Amendment right to hear and speak the Truth about human sexuality in order to protect that freedom for future generations. The Day of Truth provides an opportunity to publicly exercise our free speech rights.

Participating students are encouraged to wear T-shirts and pass out cards (not during class time) with the following message:


I am speaking the Truth to break the silence.
Silence isn’t freedom. It’s a constraint.
Truth tolerates open discussion, because the Truth emerges when healthy discourse is allowed.
By proclaiming the Truth in love, hurts will be halted, hearts will be healed, and lives will be saved.
The Day of Truth is scheduled for April 27, 2006. This is the day after GLSEN (The Gay, Lesbian, Straight Educational Network) will sponsor the "Day of Silence." GLSEN’s Day of Silence encourages students to remain silent throughout the day. It is part of their overall strategy to change how our society perceives homosexual behavior. But the Day of Silence is a misnomer, because what is truly being silenced is the Truth.

Here you can find 'hostile questions' and answers. (http://www.dayoftruth.org/docs/dayoftruthhostilequestions.pdf)


Question: What do you say to some one who believes that homosexuality is wrong? How do you even try to change that?

When they say they feel it's frong because Jesus said so...how does one go about countering that?

[Chicken of Bristol]

When they say they feel it's frong because Jesus said so...how does one go about countering that?

Ask them why the opinion of a 2000 year old carpenter is relevent to society today.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by Chicken of [email protected] 27 2006, 07:31 PM

When they say they feel it's frong because Jesus said so...how does one go about countering that?

Ask them why the opinion of a 2000 year old carpenter is relevent to society today.
Because he is the 'Lord' to more than a billion people in the world... ;) :rolleyes:

[Disciple of Prometheus]

I think the "the day of truth," was just as dumb as "the day of silence," because being silent is not protesting, which is why me and my friends got 20 or so people to have a sit in, and handed out flyers, that is way more of a protest than keeping silent, that is what not to do.

The day of the "truth," is just the religious buffoons in america making themselves look more foolish than they already are. There points are stupid, "jesus said so," and jesus also was rumored by some scholars to be bi-sexual so the "jesus said so," excuse is flawed in itself.

Notice how all the christian groups preach truth, but the NEVER SAY WHAT THAT TRUTH IS. For example;


I am speaking the Truth to break the silence. Silence isn't freedom. It's a constraint. Truth tolerates open discussion, because the Truth emerges when healthy discourse is allowed. By proclaiming the Truth in love, hurts will be halted, hearts will be healed, and lives will be saved.

Where in that quote do you see them explaining anything about their supposed cause? No where they use quasi-sentimental rhetoric to try to jerk the masses into being on their side, because the populace goes by outer aesthetics most of the time, so if they say "it's a cause about love, and kindness, and we just,..just wanna stop the hurting," and all that crap, then they masses buy into it because they think, it seems nice enough, so it probably isn't so bad.

The talk about truth but offer none, they are like a stage building, looks real on the outside, but behind it there is nothing.

These anti-gay groups are weak, if there was one good group that fervently attacked each and every one of them, with out fear, with theory, and practicality alone, they would all crumble.

[redstar2000]

There are probably not very many high school students who are willing to be "confrontational atheists" at this point in the U.S.

But I hope those that are would be willing to confront the godsuckers flat out!

Just get in their face and tell them that their religion is bullshit! :angry:

Needless to say, this should not be done to Christians who are bigger than you are. :lol:

Make a t-shirt that says Jesus was a conman!

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[Black Dagger]

What do you say to some one who believes that homosexuality is wrong? How do you even try to change that?

If by 'wrong' they mean not natural, how do they explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anima...sexual_behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_practicing_homosexual_behavior)

[TC]

If the christian fundies want to be deliberately offensive for the fun of it, maybe the day after the day of silence that they\'re holding their Day of Truth thing on should be declared Public Same-Sex Displays of Affection Day lol.

Alternatively if they\'re trying to convert people to christianity and heterosexuality maybe some group should sponsor an event to get people to try to get the christians to homosexual, or at the very least promiscuous sex lol. If thats too much they could at least promote atheism.



I think the \"the day of truth,\" was just as dumb as \"the day of silence,\" because being silent is not protesting, which is why me and my friends got 20 or so people to have a sit in, and handed out flyers, that is way more of a protest than keeping silent, that is what not to do.




Yah...i like the idea of a lot highschool students having an annual political demonstration to support gay rights...but the idea of all of them just not talking in doing it does seem more than a little lame. I think that GLSEN\'s rational was probably to just pick a concept that they figured was pretty easy for people to do (like, non-confrontational) so as to maximize participation.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

well, have you guys seen in tv the comercials about this Church that accepts everybody? lol it's called the Church of Christ i think? don't know, but it is supposedly a church that has no bounderies, it accepts everybody, anyways thats just to prove how religion is bull and that it's just a matter of interpretation...

but, 1st of all, don't mind or even try wasting time with these people, it would be like trying to talk to a rock, but gradually society is becoming more and more aware of the bullshit of religion, and the process has to be with the youngesters, than our children and our children's children so that the hypocresy is revealed...

anyways, im not gay so i don't really give a shit, although that's a kind of lame statement but it's the truth, im only acting as a human, something that doesn't even remotely concern me obviously im not gonna give a shit about, but it's ridiculous, what are these people rallying for? KILL HOMOSEXUALS? or JAIL HOMOSEXUALS? :rolleyes: it's pretty retarded....

[ichneumon]

what i don't understand is why they pick on homosexuals. leviticus has all kinds of injunctions. why not a day of protest against adultery? or lepers?

jesus, to my knowledge, never said a word about homosexuality.

what jesus did do, however, was throw a pissy fit about bankers. the ONLY time the j-man got really mad was about usury. capitalism at its finest. just tell them - jesus was a commie. you CAN argue with these people. you just have to speak their language.

"And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise" (John 2:13-16).

"And in another lake, full or pitch and blood and more bubbling up, there stood men and women on their knees: and these were usurers and those who had taken interest. "
-book of revelations.

[he who] "Oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore the pledge, lifts up his eyes to the idols, commits abomination, lends at interest, and takes increase; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominable things; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself "(Ezekiel 18:12-13).

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by ichneumon+--> (ichneumon)Just tell them - Jesus was a commie.[/b]

In other words, LIE to them.

No.


Originally posted by John+--> (John)...And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting.[/b]

Actually, they were in the "court" in front of and outside of the temple itself.

The incident itself was almost certainly fictional...invented many decades after the death of "Jesus".


[email protected]
... and these were usurers and those who had taken interest.

The wide-spread theological prejudice against loaning money at interest is curious...possibly reflecting the rural character of the origins of many religious beliefs.

To a peasant, the idea that he must actually pay back more than he borrowed must have always seemed to be a kind of "cheat" or, as we would say, scam.


Ezekiel
[He who] oppresses the poor and needy...shall not live.

A sentimental wish for "God's just wrath" that pops up occasionally in the Old Testament. Probably a faint reflection of the class struggle that actually took place then.

In early Jewish theology, "God" punished sinners in this life...by killing them! :o

We know that around the time that "Jesus" lived (if he existed at all), there was an idea "floating around" Jewish theology that there was "punishment for sin" after death...but reserved for especially grievous sinners.

We don't know now whether it was "Jesus" or one of his later followers who "invented Hell"...the idea of eternal punishment for everyone.

The "democratization" of Hell was a real innovation...and Christians were once quite proud of it.

Lately, they find it a little embarrassing. :lol:

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[Decadence]

God hates shelfish!

Ok on to more serious things.

A. jesus said disreguard mosaic law AKA the old testament
B. Levitcus which they use as their main argument against homosexuality also condems eating shelfish, talking to women on their period, eating animals that fly among others
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/1.html

But yeah worst comes to worst just remind them their relegion has killed more people in expansion of its relegion then any revolution has.

(Sorry if this seems illogical, i'm typing this up pretty fast.)

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by Oh-Dae-[email protected]r 28 2006, 05:27 AM
well, have you guys seen in tv the comercials about this Church that accepts everybody? lol it's called the Church of Christ i think? don't know, but it is supposedly a church that has no bounderies, it accepts everybody, anyways thats just to prove how religion is bull and that it's just a matter of interpretation...

but, 1st of all, don't mind or even try wasting time with these people, it would be like trying to talk to a rock, but gradually society is becoming more and more aware of the bullshit of religion, and the process has to be with the youngesters, than our children and our children's children so that the hypocresy is revealed...

anyways, im not gay so i don't really give a shit, although that's a kind of lame statement but it's the truth, im only acting as a human, something that doesn't even remotely concern me obviously im not gonna give a shit about, but it's ridiculous, what are these people rallying for? KILL HOMOSEXUALS? or JAIL HOMOSEXUALS? :rolleyes: it's pretty retarded....
The Church you are referring to is the United Church of Christ, a liberal-to-mainline Protestant sect that advocates an extremely contextual reading of the Bible and equality regardless of sexual orientation.

Sadly, its sister church, the more well-known United Church of Canada, while explicitly supporting equal marriage as public policy, allows individual congregations to opt out of marrying same-sex couples. (I am unsure if American congregations have this option, but I suspect they don't, ironically but happily enough.)

[Shredder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 08:10 PM
The incident itself was almost certainly fictional...invented many decades after the death of "Jesus".
Do some atheists still believe Jesus was based on a real person?

Don't let them trick you. It's common for atheist, agnostic, Jewish, and/or skepctical westerners to concede that Jesus existed but just wasn't divine. This is an unprompted concession. The scant pieces of so-called evidence are as much nonsense as the gospels themselves. For example, one piece of evidence is a legal document about some Jews being all pissed off at Pilate for killing some guy named Jesus. What this proves is that a group of people believed Pilate put Jesus to death. We already knew people believed it, what we want to know is whether it's true.

The few actual historical references to men named Jesus are very tenuous and are either more easily explained as a result rather than a cause of the Jesus myth, or forgeries, or have no evident correlation to the mythological Jesus.

Curiously, all the sources that indicate the possible existence of a real Jesus stem only from a religious belief in him. Strike out evidence caused or created by christians, and the absence of evidence is indeed the evidence of absence.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

alright than according to you i guess Aristotle, Plato, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Ceasar, Alexander the Great, etc. etc. etc. never existed as well right? :rolleyes:

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Oh-Dae-[email protected] 29 2006, 03:05 PM
alright than according to you i guess Aristotle, Plato, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Ceasar, Alexander the Great, etc. etc. etc. never existed as well right? :rolleyes:
Authenticating historical figures is indeed a task fraught with difficulties. Our sources are often copies that are many centuries "younger" than the "originals".

What we assume is that if there were many contemporary references to a named individual in the copies that have survived to be discovered and translated by us, then the individual really existed.

The sources can be investigated as well for internal consistency...a document that contains anachronisms is usually considered untrustworthy -- at best a combination of an earlier source and a later source.

Consistencies of style can also be investigated; there are now some very sophisticated computer programs that are capable of that.

Most reliable is the "hard evidence" -- coins, monuments with inscriptions, etc. They can be dated with real confidence.

One irrefutable piece of evidence that Alexander "the Great" really existed are the hordes of Greek coins with his picture on them...found everywhere from Egypt to Afghanistan and northern India.

The existence of a historical "Jesus" is inferred from the Gospels because of the lack of anachronisms in Mark, Matthew, and Luke -- the three oldest "gospels". The authors got the historical details right for Palestine in the first century...confirmed by many other contemporary sources.

"Jesus" himself never wrote down anything that survived...and was probably illiterate. In fact, the oldest contemporary references we have are the "authentic" letters of Saulos of Tarsus ("St. Paul")...which date from 50-60CE, well after the death of "Jesus". The earliest "gospel" -- Mark -- was probably written down around 75CE.

There are no Jewish or Roman contemporary sources that mention "Jesus" at all...so one cannot rule out the possibility that he was entirely mythological. We certainly know that much of what was said about "him" later was almost certainly borrowed from other contemporary mythologies.

Not to mention that many of the "events" in the "life of Jesus" were self-evident pious fabrications.

I don't find it particularly difficult to accept the existence of a "historical Jesus"...a small-town preacher who expressed the bitter resentment of "big city Judaism" on the part of the peasants he lived and worked among.

I don't think he thought of himself as a "Christian"...much less the "Son of God". All that stuff was a later invention!

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[Oh-Dae-Su]

redstar, thank you, that was very good, i do agree with you totally, and it's basically what i actually think...

you make very good points, of course there is a possibility that Jesus didn't exist..

but i think he did, i think that there was a man who existed who preached what we now know as Christianity, and all that happened was that he was personified as a GOD like supernatural person, and understandebly it makes it all the harder to believe...but none the less he must have existed i think...if not Christianity would not be here, and i doub't it's the creation of a whole bunch of people, thats very unlikable...

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 03:54 AM
God hates shelfish!

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

[Elect Marx]

Yeah, I participated in the Day of Silence and was a member of the GLBTSA, along with some friends. I think I will be working an event they sponser next week too.

Neat site TragicClown!

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by red [email protected] 27 2006, 12:37 PM
700 highschools participate in "day of truth" anti-gay rally. :angry:

Anti-gay Religious Rally (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49928)
If I were around one of those protests, I would start beating the shit out of people. I'm not saying that to be "tough," I am quite literally serious.