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Macchendra
26th April 2006, 05:49
We all seem to agree on the need for increased representation of the interests of labor and consumers in the marketplace against increasingly large players.

There are two approaches we can take:
Applying the force of collective action in the marketplace by labor and consumers.
Applying the force of coercive action against all players in the marketplace.

It seems to me that the problem that labor and consumers face is that they are missing out on the movement toward collective action that is already happening in the "free market". This movement toward collective action that I speak of is simply the consolidation of merchants and employers.

While these mega-conglomerations are forming and shaping the market through their own form of "collective action", labor and consumers have fallen very far behind. Mega-marts dictate to suppliers to lower their prices, or lose the collective business of their large consumer base. Large insurance companies pay a much smaller rate for medical procedures. Mega-marts say to cities: "provide free water and sewer development or I cross the city limits."

I believe the disparity in level of "collective action" that exists between merchants and employers vs. consumers and labor is caused by the successful villification of collective action, in the form of unions, by the modern day media (1890-present). Unions are portrayed as being rife with organized crime, as promoting lazyness, bad service, etc. (I'm sure you aware of many more ways.)

Unions are our source of collective action, and must be reclaimed from the propaganda that has defamed it for decades. Perhaps they can be "reframed" into being the very essential part of the checks and balances of any free market.


The other strategy that one might take is:
Applying the force of coercive action against all players in the marketplace.

This means externally imposing marketplace rules.
It is interesting to note that one set of examples for this is all anti-union laws.
These rules will always be at the end of a gun barrel in one form or another.


Which strategy do you prefer? Collective action or coercive action? Why?


Let me also just put it out there that it is my biased opinion that all collective action should be voluntary. Even though it is voluntary, it can be centrally organized. It can be highly democratic, yet totally unified, which it must be to represent the interests of labor and consumers in the marketplace against increasingly large players. Furthermore, it seems to me that this would be enough to overcome the force of capital without violence.

Finally, I believe that once people in large number start rediscovering collective action, they'll wake up to the fact that the accepting of currency is a collective act which should be brought back under democratic will. Currency should be labor-based and not gold-based or worse: the baseless counterfeiting by an elite group of central bankers. The unions should be the only ones to print money, because they are the only ones who can guarantee future labor.

Your response???

David Bright Morning

Macchendra
26th April 2006, 13:40
Incredible.

How is this "opposing ideology"?

redstar2000
26th April 2006, 13:55
The tip-off in your post was your use of the word marketplace.

The implied "legitimacy" of that particular relationship usually suggests, at the very least, a willingness to preserve commodity production and, inevitably, the extraction and appropriation of surplus value.

That really doesn't belong in our Theory Forum.

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Macchendra
26th April 2006, 14:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 01:10 PM
The tip-off in your post was your use of the word marketplace.

The implied "legitimacy" of that particular relationship usually suggests, at the very least, a willingness to preserve commodity production and, inevitably, the extraction and appropriation of surplus value.

That really doesn't belong in our Theory Forum.

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To end the production of commodities in any form, and to end the extraction or appropriation of surplus value, requires an extrodinary degree of control over the individual by some form of state.

This degree of control can only be achieved with lots of cops and lots of soldiers.

I do not see these things as preventing labor or consumers from having their proper voice, or from getting their fair share.

I do agree that they get out of hand when unchecked by the democratic collective will of labor and consumers.

Seriously, I think that you underestimate the power that a worldwide union of labor and consumers would have. This would put such rogue elements as Wal-Mart in check. They would have to pay fair wages to labor(or face a strike), and have low prices for consumers(or face a boycott), and the surplus they extracted would be much less.

Also, banishment for the use of the word "marketplace" seems to be guilt by association.

redstar2000
26th April 2006, 14:42
Originally posted by Macchendra
To end the production of commodities in any form, and to end the extraction or appropriation of surplus value, requires an extrodinary degree of control over the individual by some form of state.

That's a different question...and we argue it in the Theory Forum all the time. :lol:

I, for example, don't think it will take much of a "state" at all. :D


Also, banishment for the use of the word "marketplace" seems to be guilt by association.

Well, yes it is. We don't (by and large) accept the "legitimacy" of that concept here.

The contemporary "wisdom" has it that the marketplace, "properly regulated" of course, can "solve the problems" of efficient production and equitable distribution.

In my observation, a howling absurdity! :lol:

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Macchendra
26th April 2006, 16:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 01:57 PM

In my observation, a howling absurdity! :lol:

This is argument by authority.

First of all, "properly regulated" as only existed in the form of "regulated by the state", and not in the form of "regulated by labor". Furthermore, this has been in states where political power was skewed in favor of the wealthy in multiple forms. A proper organizing element for collective action can be impervious to this bias. We have not seen this in its proper form, so we do not know what is and what isn't absurd with regard to it.

We have here a strategy which must be seriously considered. We can achieve our goals incrementally, without breaking rapport with those identified against us, until we reach the point where we can produce our own legitimate currency: one that is pegged to labor by it's very nature. Then, as our power grows, we can wage shorting wars against all other currency until the only currency that is produced is by labor organizing elements.

Please place this back into theory, and let us debate the viability of this strategy.

Thank you,
David

redstar2000
26th April 2006, 23:22
Originally posted by Macchendra
We can achieve our goals incrementally...

Not a lot of interest in that approach on this board...it's called "RevolutionaryLeft" for a reason.


Please place this back into theory...

Nope. Sorry.

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