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[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

i want to see how many muslims are on this site. muslims anywhere? lets start a discussion. if not im sure ill get some atheist religion-bashing comments. but i would like to hear from the muslims on the revolutionary left.

[bcbm]

Walakeum asalaam, brother. I'm not a muslim, but I seem to recall a few hanging around. Haven't seen them in awhile though.

[Abood]

I was born a muslim. I believe in God but not all of Islam. Islam fundamentally contradicts communism - in such things as gay rights, women rights, etc.

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

islam doesn't contradict women's rights. you need to read up more on real islam and not base islam on the persian gulf scene.

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

abood, why are you "banned"? why is anyone banned or a restricted member on this site. it sounds like fascism to me. it is creating class distinction, where the favored members share a certain idealogy. is this what communism is about?

[RedAnarchist]

I knew you would ask about him. He asked for a poll to be admitted to the CC, which i made. It was then closed as there was a suspicion that he was a "sock-puppet", which he has admitte, so he was banned.


We restrict people with "opposing idealogical" views, as otherwise all the threads would just descend into left versus right flame wars.

[LSD]

islam doesn't contradict women's rights

Except the part where it says that men are "above" women and that "wives" must "obey" their "husbands"... <_<

Also, I notice that you dodged the gay rights issue. Would that be perhaps because the Koran calls homosexuality an "abomination"? :o


why is anyone banned or a restricted member on this site


Originally posted by RevLeft Guidelines
General Board

What is restriction, and what is the Opposing Ideologies forum?

Restriction is a measure the membership uses to focus the debate on this site. We are a group of progressive Leftists, after all. That is about as much as many of us have in common however. We disagree on how the society we envision will work, how best to emancipate the workers and many other issues. We need to debate these things respectfully, amongst ourselves. So we restrict debate about whether we should emancipate the workers at all to the Opposing Ideologies forum.

This is where all right-wingers are sent. This is where anyone who is too disruptive to proper debate is sent. There are other reasons for being restricted to OI of course, but generally, it requires behaviour that is deemed in conflict with the membership&#39;s vision for this site.

This person was restricted/banned, why?

In the daily happenings at the board, members sometimes make comments that are unacceptable at this site, comments that are racist, sexist or homophobic for example. This usually will result in a restriction, and if the problem is deemed serious enough by the membership, a ban. No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, this is the case. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=boardrules)

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

ok, but i think this can be counter productive at times. i find it funny that so many "leftists" claim to be tolerant, but they are intolerant themselves. i believe people can believe what they want, and they shouldnt be persecuted for not sharing the same beliefs as the "standard" left wingers, what ever that is. the whole set up is rather dogmatic and almost fascist. it puts certain people over others. we all have our own ideas. dont be a stalinist. i am quite dissapointed actually. this is very similar to a muslim-bashing reactionary right-wing post. im against intolerance no matter what side it comes from. i am not an advocate of capitalism but i know that communism isnt perfect either. well i guess i will be banned for saying this....it reminds me of a quote, something about "when the victims of oppression remove their oppressors, they start to become them".

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Tolerance means you put up with, it does not mean you have to embrace and like something, just because your tolerant doesn&#39;t mean you like something. I am tolerant of a lot of people, but said people I just can&#39;t stand, and when asked I voice my contempt, that is what free speech is all about, if I don&#39;t like something I have the right to voice my opposition, no matter how lude, or vitriolic it may be.

[LSD]

i believe people can believe what they want, and they shouldnt be persecuted for not sharing the same beliefs as the "standard" left wingers, what ever that is.

No one is being "persecuted", this is a message board, not a society; and it is a message board with a very specific purpose.

If you want to chat about liberal politics or the muslim "faith", there are plenty of boards out there for you to do so unmolested. This just does not happen to be one of them.

This board exists for the purpose of revolutioanry left discussion and those who do not fall within that umbrella are not welcome. We would not be serving out purpose if we allowed capitalists or bigots to have "free roam" on this board.

This site would not have the popularity it does if it was not focused. If that "offfends" you, you are welcome to leave. But our membership criteria have served us quite well so far and they are unlikely to change.


this is very similar to a muslim-bashing reactionary right-wing post. im against intolerance no matter what side it comes from.

How about when it comes from Muslims?

When homosexuals are called "abomination" and exucted or women are forced into covering themselves.

You can critisize board policy all you want, but you have still to address the issue of Islamic "intolerance" or to back up your assertion that "real" Islam is tolerant.

The fact is no religion is acceptable to Marxists or communists and "faith" is never an excuse for oppression. I honestly don&#39;t care if it "offends" your "faith", all people have a right to basic societal franshise and no "God" can take that away&#33;

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

wow they just erased one of my posts&#33; stalinism is in the air.....i hope the secret police dont come to get me for my subversive behavoir

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Originally posted by hassan monwar al&#045;[email protected] 25 2006, 01:07 AM
wow they just erased one of my posts&#33; stalinism is in the air.....i hope the secret police dont come to get me for my subversive behavoir
Yea, cause you know productive board censorship is so Stalinistic, :rolleyes: , or maybe what you had to say wasn&#39;t worth hearing, ever think of that?

[LSD]

If you&#39;re refering to your moronic spam thread "overthrow the revolutionary left", it was trashed, not deleted.

And are you just going to spam, or are you actually going to address the issues?

Come on, Mohammad is under attack here&#33; Was he a sexist bigot? Is his Koran prejeduced horse-shit? :o

Defend your "faith"&#33; :lol:

[Jaden]

I&#39;m just curious to know, hassan monwar al-moudjahid, what IS this "real" Islam of which you speak? Is it living life as according to the Koran fully?

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

exactly. and dont try to throw in your own interpretations of the qur&#39;an that you throw way out of context. i wont "preach", but if you insult my religion, it is my duty to correct you

[LSD]

OK, so "correct" me?

What&#39;s your "interpretation" of the blatant sexism and homophobia in the Koran?

I&#39;m insulting your religion, buddy, you&#39;d better go ahead and do your "duty"&#33; :lol:

Otherwise "Allah" might "smite you down"&#33; :o

[LoneRed]

LSD you dont gotta be an Ass about it, just let him explain himself, and hopefully both sides can have an intelligent and considerate debate.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by hassan monwar al&#045;[email protected] 24 2006, 08:31 PM
exactly. and dont try to throw in your own interpretations of the qur&#39;an that you throw way out of context. i wont "preach", but if you insult my religion, it is my duty to correct you
Ah, come on son&#33;

I&#39;ve been dying to see another Islamic crack-pot make a complete fool out of themself for some time now.

There&#39;s nothing more amusing then watching you silly muslims get so frustrated that you actually start using phrases such as "blue-eyed devils" and "white slave-masters".

So please, "preach on" sonny.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by hassan monwar al&#045;[email protected] 24 2006, 08:07 PM
wow they just erased one of my posts&#33; stalinism is in the air.....i hope the secret police dont come to get me for my subversive behavoir
Indeed it was; you actually had the unmitigated gall to post in the Big Bang thread in Science & Environment an assertion that "God created the big bang".

Did you expect that to pass without action? :lol:

This subforum exists for a reason...to keep that superstitious crap confined to one location.

Next time you insert your religion into the other forums, expect warning points and even restriction to Opposing Ideologies.

It should already be obvious to you that this is not a "religion-friendly" message board.

If you want to discuss political questions or other secular subjects, fine.

But we are not going to tolerate preaching&#33;

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[AnnieAngel]

NOI is not Islam. No real Muslim would accept the blasphemy of Elijah Mohammed. You&#39;d be having your head chopped off in Saudi.

Annie :ph34r:

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

ok i wont bring up religion, but if someone else brings it up i will defend my position. but then again you guys dont function in intelligent debating, only mindless insults. if someone insults me i have the right to defend myself, but i should probably just ignore them, because they arent worth my time anyway. i dont converse with people who make childish insults. by the way this is the first message board i have been on where someone is constantly looking over your actions, and the first message board i been on where if you dont follow the party-line you can be banned&#33; who would of thought i was a "leftist" discussion board :blink:

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by hassan monwar al&#045;moudjahid+Apr 24 2006, 09:20 PM--> (hassan monwar al-moudjahid @ Apr 24 2006, 09:20 PM) i find it funny that so many "leftists" claim to be tolerant, but they are intolerant themselves. [/b]
We "don&#39;t tolerate" reactionary idiocy.

How "stalinist" of us... :rolleyes:


i believe people can believe what they want,

Ok, what if I want to believe that God ordered me to kill all muslims?


and they shouldnt be persecuted for not sharing the same beliefs as the "standard" left wingers, what ever that is.

This forum exists for "revolutionary leftists" to debate with each other. OIers are lucky somebody actually cared about creating the Opposing Ideologies forum.


the whole set up is rather dogmatic and almost fascist.

As if your muslim mythology was better than that :lol:


we all have our own ideas.

Including nazis who want to kill people.


dont be a stalinist.

:lol:


i am quite dissapointed actually. this is very similar to a muslim-bashing reactionary right-wing post.

Well, it&#39;s not as if your mythology is better.


im against intolerance no matter what side it comes from.

And I want nazis to be shot. How "intolerant" of me.


it reminds me of a quote, something about "when the victims of oppression remove their oppressors, they start to become them".

Even if they have nobody else to oppress?


Originally posted by Bill [email protected]
There&#39;s nothing more amusing then watching you silly muslims get so frustrated that you actually start using phrases such as "blue-eyed devils" and "white slave-masters".

Shut up, the PC Police will get you&#33;

Although it seems they&#39;ve been losing power recently, losing polls and modship and members and stuff.


Mohammed wannabe Al&#045;again
by the way this is the first message board i have been on where someone is constantly looking over your actions,

huh?


and the first message board i been on where if you dont follow the party-line you can be banned&#33;

We only ban fascists for being fascists, and maybe some occasional reactionary troll or preacher. Religious wackos, "libertarians", "tolerant" liberals and conservatives are usually free to spend time in this "area".

[hassan monwar al-moudjahid]

you got the wrong impression of me, and my religion. but i wont preach to you. i think people can believe what they want, but if their belief was that God told them to kill all muslims, of coarse i will have to defend myself. you can think what ever you want, but acting it out is another thing. dont worry i gave up trying to put out any information on islam, because i know must of you will be convinced its nonsense and wont even look at it. closed minds are a shame, but oh well&#33; i just wanted to see if there was any other muslims on this site, thats all

[Connolly]

but if someone else brings it up i will defend my position

I respect your position and I will not insult you (at least try not to).


What is your basis for believing in God and the afterlife?

Surely, being as logical as you are, you must have used observation, historical evidence and modern science to come to your independent conclusion as to the validity of Islam and the teachings in the Koran?

So then - where is this evidence?

Or, have you become a victim of emotional "logic" and circumstance?

Please - I would like to hear your views. :D

[Connolly]

By the way - there are have been some Muslims on this board in the past, and they tend to pop up now and again - most however have been banned :( , but you seem to be threading on solid ground - lets just hope you dont "slip up" with anything sexist or homophobic. Most however, i would suspect, are atheist.

[Free Palestine]

Reading this thread, it is now obvious that malicious generalizations about Islam are the latest acceptable (even encouraged) form of denigration of foreign culture here at RevLeft.

[LSD]

Islam isn&#39;t a culture, it&#39;s a religion.

And "denigrating" religion isn&#39;t only "acceptable" in this forum, it&#39;s encouraged&#33; :P

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by hassan monwar al&#045;[email protected] 25 2006, 04:27 PM
dont worry i gave up trying to put out any information on islam, because i know must of you will be convinced its nonsense and wont even look at it. closed minds are a shame, but oh well&#33;
It&#39;s not that we&#39;re close minded. I&#39;m not at least. It&#39;s just that we aren&#39;t going to believe something unless there is good empirical evidence that it&#39;s true. That&#39;s the key phrase here: empirical evidence. If you can provide us with the empirical evidence that there&#39;s a God who dictated his divine text to your prophet over a millennium ago, please go ahead and present it. But as long as you fail to back up your extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence, don&#39;t expect rational minds to take you seriously.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 25 2006, 04:38 PM
Reading this thread, it is now obvious that malicious generalizations about Islam are the latest acceptable (even encouraged) form of denigration of foreign culture here at RevLeft.
"Malicious generalizations about Islam"?

What could we possibly say about it that isn&#39;t exceeded by its own practitioners?

Christians happily engaged in terror-bombing and mass murder of civilians during World War II.

Muslims don&#39;t have the technical capability to do that yet; but when they do, are you suggesting that they "won&#39;t do that" because they are "really pious" and "truly peace-loving"?

Good grief&#33;

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[Free Palestine]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 09:40 PM
Islam isn&#39;t a culture, it&#39;s a religion.

Which you use as a fulcrum to do denigrate a foreign culture.

[LSD]

Again, I am not denigrating a "culture", I am denigrating a religion.

I am also happy to condemn any aspect of a foreign culture that I consider unjust or oppressive. Being "part of a culture" is not a legitimate shield against critisism.

The holocaust could legitimately be called part of "Nazi culture", just like many Muslims say that patriarchy is a "part of Muslim culture".

In neither cases, though, do I accept that argument as valid. I don&#39;t care if sexism, racism, or homophobia are "culture", "religious", or both. I am still going to call it when I see and do so loudly.

If you can&#39;t take that, I suggest that you refrain from posting in my forum.