Canada Invades Sovereign Nation

[AnnieAngel]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...test060420.html (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/04/20/caledonia-protest060420.html)

So I'm wondering, in a communist society, there is no land ownership, correct? So the land would be used for whatever it is needed for, correct?

So what about this protest? Should the protestors be removed? Beat, like the beat the one lady if they don't want to go? The Natives aren't going to leave, and I'm thinking that they shouldn't.

What are your opinions? How would this be resoved? Like say for instance in your post revolution communist society, if the Mohawks told you to go fuck yourselves and get off their land after you had built your chickencoop on it....what happens?

Annie :ph34r:

[Oh-Dae-Su]

so what is this? Canada invading indian reservations? lmao!! ohhh CANADIANS! :rolleyes: hahahahaha or was it that they haven't given the natives any reservations at all?? either way this is pretty lame, doesn't surprise me from Canada...

[AnnieAngel]

Well in Canada a reservation is something you make at a restaurant. They call it a reserve. But since you can reserve a table at a restaurant....I dunno. I think it's a degrading term period.

It's not really a joke, they've got the highway barricaded in Caledonia and sympathy protests stopped 12 trains near Bellville so far today by burning piles of stuff on the tracks. And in Montreal the Mohawks blocked a bridge and hung the Unity flag on it.

It's pretty serious. Not a laughing matter at all.

Annie :ph34r:

[chaval]

so serious that the overwhelming majority of canadians couldnt care less

[Oh-Dae-Su]

in Canada a reservation is something you make at a restaurant

so thats the only defenition assigned to that particualr word in Canada! :lol: and you make it in a restaurant! :rolleyes:

alright, thanks for telling me how serious it is, but you still haven't awnsered my questions...what happened? did Canadian forces invade or took the lands reserved only for native Canadians!?? or they still have not given any lands to the indians like here in America for 200 years??

[AnnieAngel]

It just turned violent yesterday. When it becomes more so, or if more Natives join the protest, the news will pick it up for the pictures and more people will be aware it's happening.

Plus I mean it's not like it's happening where there are very many people. But in Caledonia the schools are closed, the highway is blocked with burning tires and piles of logs, even a tipped and burned dumptruck. Everyone around here sure knows what's happening. The racists are loving it, they're on the news being quite vocal.

And I don't think the Natives care what the majority of Canadians think about it, since they don't consider themselves Canadian. This land was granted to them in 1784 by a British officer, not anything to do with Canada.

Annie :ph34r:

[AnnieAngel]

Read the linked article, search out the Haldimand Grant or the Haldimand Proclamation.

The police moved in yesterday, predawn, and started pepper spraying and beating people. 5 of them beat on one lady.

But the cops got pushed back, and now the Natives are pretty much in control of the highway.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

ok thanks again for not anwsering my question, well i think you did indirectly lol....

so this land was granted to these native Canadians by a British officer, so is that like a piece of farm land inherited by your great great great gradnfather? or is it officially recognized by the government as a non-Canadian governed piece of land reserved for these natives??

[AnnieAngel]

Educate yourself. I'm not your research assistant, nor am I willing to spend the time trying to explain something serious to a person who obviously thinks this is a joke.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

ooook? :blink: have i even said this is a joke? im asking you simple questions , i think the fact is that your just as ignorant in the subject as i am, you don't know the anwsers to my questions, hence why you don't respond them.... and educate myself?? what!? am i supposed to know the history of these native Canadians? you think im a living encyclopidia that's supposed to know everything?? of course im ignorant to many many things in this world everyone is....you crazy psycho...

[AnnieAngel]

Fuck off, looser. I'm sick of idiots like you all over this board. If you don't care to educate yourself, you will always be grovelling at the feet of someone for your information. That makes you a dog.

Annie :ph34r:

[Oh-Dae-Su]

Fuck off, looser. I'm sick of idiots like you all over this board. If you don't care to educate yourself, you will always be grovelling at the feet of someone for your information. That makes you a dog.

well i can see your a very educate person :lol: let's see, you tell me to FUCK OFF, you call me a LOOSER, an IDIOT, and that i have to educate myself...yet you still haven't anwsered my questions, which conform to my assumption of you which is that your just as ignorant on the subject ....i mean why would anyone get "mad" to anwser simple questions, obviously you don't know them and it's a sign of a weak mind, might i add to the level of a dog like you said, to get insulted by that....

so, thank you again for degrading yourself even more in front of me and eveyone else who reads this

[AnnieAngel]

Well now that the sideshow is over, are there any communists who could respond?

Thanks, Annie :ph34r:

[VonClausewitz]

Well, they were given the land by it's previous owners, then that makes it theirs, in the eyes of most stable legal systems. As long as they have the relative pieces of paper of course. From what I gleaned though about the motorway, well, that needs to be there, road links are important.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

dude whats causing this commotion right now at this moment in time?? that's what i want to know!? if this is a piece of land like for example a farm that i own in the middle of nowhere, and the government wants to build a road through it , than i probably can't do anything about that, but if it's an indian reservation the government can't do that, they have to probably get the permission of the indians themselves first....

[AnnieAngel]

Well part of the highway is actually on disputed land, as it was leased to the government who defaulted on the lease. From what I'm hearing, anyway. Of course, it's not hard to search for the actual ongoing land dispute on the Haldimand Grant from both perspectives. This is the internet.

The Natives say it's their land that the Douglas Creek Estates is building on, I've actually heard that the only people not to default on payment to the Natives for land is the Mennonites. So they have pretty much had it with the shitty treatment from Canada, and they are gathering together. The Grandmothers want to keep people there protesting and they aren't stupid, they are the Grandmothers.

What is a communist view on this? Can they be dragged from their tents and pepper-sprayed because the government, whether the Canadian government or a Communist government wants the land for other things, or chooses to just end their claim protest with violence?

I mean, is land allowed to be owned and what happens to the Natives in a communist revolution? Canada wouldn't be here but for the Mohawks, something it seems the majority of Canadians don't know.

[redstar2000]

It's a "moot question" for us...at least in my opinion.

By the time of proletarian revolution in North America (c.2100?), it's unlikely that any of those "sovereign nations" will exist...capitalism will have "conquered" all of them and their "cultures" will have disappeared entirely.

In light of global warming, Northern Canada will be "opened up" to "investment" and modernized.

Contemporary disputes over property are rarely of much interest to communists...since we don't have any. :lol:

I daresay you'll find some who will invoke the "right of self-determination"...but like all other "rights", that "right" exists at the discretion of the ruling class.

In other words, Native Americans have "sovereign rights" until there's serious money involved.

Just like we have "free speech" until the government really dislikes what we have to say. :lol:

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