Revolution in Nepal EXPLODES!

[Red Heretic]

For anyone who was wondering I won't be posting for a while... my life hit a huge crisis, and I'm completely underground for a while. However, I thought I'd drop in and post this because of its important need.


Nepal: Advance of people's war sets stage for huge general strike

10 April 2006. A World to Win News Service. In Nepal, 6 April commemorates both
the beginning of the 1980 upheaval against the feudal monarchy and the 1990 mass
struggle that forced the monarchy to accept a parliamentary democracy until the
current king dissolved parliament 14 months ago. On that date this year, the
seven-party alliance of parliamentary forces opposed to the king called a four-day
bandh, a national strike and shutdown, supported by the Communist Party of Nepal
(Maoist), which suspended armed operations in and around the capital at their
request. It is the vigorous expansion of the people's war led by the CPN(M) that
has set the stage for the parliamentarians to move into the streets.

Despite a ban on demonstrations and a daytime curfew in Kathmandu and other
cities, thousands of demonstrators built flaming barricades with tyres and threw
rocks to fend off heavily armed police. Urban streets remained a battleground even
after the four day time period ended. At least four people were reported killed by
security forces. At the same time, in four corners of the country, the Maoist-led
People's Liberation Army attacked government military bases and other facilities.
In a first for this war, during the course of one of those battles the
revolutionary forces shot down a Royal Nepal Army helicopter.

Helicopters terrorize liberation struggles all over the world. The RNA has been
using copters to drop bombs and as firing platforms against both PLA soldiers and
ordinary people. In January this year, an aerial attack killed CPN(M) Central
Committee member Comrade Sunil during a party meeting, in violation of the
ceasefire agreement at that time. Recently another helicopter attack killed
several people attending a Maoist-led mass meeting in Thokarpa (Sindhupalchok
district), before the eyes of national and international journalists. The same
MI-17 aircraft flew to Malwanga, the district headquarters of Saralahi, in eastern
Nepal, on the morning of 6 April as PLA forces attacked a military base. PLA
ground fire brought it down in flames, killing ten Royal Army officers. In a
statement hailing this event, CPN(M) Chairman Prachanda said the copter had been
shot down using "a combination of modern and home-made technology."

The PLA took over this district capital in the eastern Terai (plains) region of
Nepal. All the government offices of the old state were destroyed and some of the
officers including the security forces were taken into custody. Some 125 prisoners
were released from the prison. Most of them were political prisoners.

Meanwhile, the tempo of the struggle accelerated in Kathmandu and other cities. On
the first day of the bandh, despite preventive raids against the homes of
opposition leaders and the previous arrest of opposition activists, demonstrators
had taken over small cities surrounding the capital, such as Patan, Bhaktapur and
Kirtipur. Some thousand people were arrested across the country that day.
Demonstrators chanted that the king should leave the country immediately.

On the second day of demonstrations, the masses were able to rescue some of the
parliamentary party leaders held in police custody. Police had arrested a leader
of the Congress Party, but demonstrators in Patan snatched him away from them.
Patan, Bhaktapur and Kirtipur remained under the control of the demonstrators. The
regime carried out aerial attacks on crowds. One demonstrator was killed and
several others also shot in the city of Pokhara.

During the third day of the general strike, PLA assaulted a Royal Army based in
Kapilbastu district in the central Terai region. About a dozen army barracks were
destroyed, along with fortifications and vehicles. Some two dozen Royal Army
personnel killed, and a large quantity of weapons seized. A statement by the
CPN(M) regional bureau called this battle a rehearsal for seizing the capital and
central state power.

On the fourth day, thousands of demonstrators defied a 7 am to 8pm curfew and
continued to demonstrate. Most transportation ceased and businesses remained
closed. The upheaval continued unabated on 10 April, even after the end of the
four days for which the bandh had originally been called.

CPN(M) Chairman Prachanda issued a statement supporting this general strike. He
explained that the seven parties had called it in accord with the second memo of
understanding between the CPN(M) and the seven party alliance. He particularly
hailed the broad participation of the masses of people despite the medieval
suppression the feudal autocratic regime had attempted to impose. He continued,
"The Nepalese people of all classes, nationalities, regions and genders have risen
up today to get free from the autocratic feudal monarchy. The entire country has
come to demand the fulfilment of the desire for peace and democracy through
election of a constituent assembly against the autocracy. At this decisive and
sensitive historical moment, our party has been advancing and will advance, with a
suitable adjustments and understandings with the political parties and civil
society, deeply committed to the immediate historic necessity of establishing a
democratic republic through the
election of a constituent assembly. In this regard, our party strongly supports the
decision of the seven parliamentarian parties to continue the general political
strikes until the downfall of the autocratic monarchy and also announces its own
programme."

This programme of struggle adopted by the CPN(M), adjusted to the general
political strike of the parliamentarian parties, includes staging demonstrations
defying curfews and bans; destroying idols, statues and other symbols of feudal
kings and emperors; removing all signboards that say "His Majesty's Government";
promoting and supporting the campaign for the announcement of the people"s
republic of Nepal that is being carried out now at the local level; mobilising the
masses to refuse to pay taxes to the royal regime and taking action against tax
brokers that help the feudal elements; and keeping all highways under control of
the PLA.

Referring to attempts by the US and other powers to get the parliamentary parties
to break away from the Maoists and compromise with the king, Comrade Prachanda
declared, "The demise of the feudal autocratic monarchy and the establishment of
the democratic republic are nearing. Our party again strongly appeals to all the
pro-people forces and broad masses of people in and outside of the country to lead
the struggle to success, and to remain alert against all kinds of pernicious
conspiracies and compromises against the people at this last moment."

[Comrade Don]

This brings a huge smile to my face as finally victory is in sight.

[barista.marxista]

Awesome! I can't wait for the Maoist "people's republic"! :rolleyes:

[che_diwas]

Hey comrades...

I am having the best days of my life as my country is nearing towards victory..

victory of the people and defeat of the tyrant monarch and its feudalistic cliques.

Now, only the Royal Nepalese Army, Nepal Police and Armed police are protecting

the king and his cliques.

Recent development:

The US ambassador J.F Moriarty meets with Communist leaders and discusses latest development of the movement and decides to bands VISA for any nepalese
to goto the US.

But I want to ask u all , that the European Union and Amnesty International are planning to take Nepal to the UN Security Council.
What kind of effect will it have if the UN soldiers come to destroy the king and his army, and also Is it possible for them to come here, a country between two power nations India and China....???

Please write down ur thoughts..

Victory is in our gates... lets open the gate and give it a warm welcome..

The Red Solute.

[Enragé]

But I want to ask u all , that the European Union and Amnesty International are planning to take Nepal to the UN Security Council.
What kind of effect will it have if the UN soldiers come to destroy the king and his army, and also Is it possible for them to come here, a country between two power nations India and China....???

UN soldiers will never do such a thing because the UN is a puppet of the big imperialist nations.

The EU couldnt care less about the Nepalese people.


Awesome! I can't wait for the Maoist "people's republic"!

yea me neither ;)

[Cheung Mo]

I hate Maoism, but only the CPM-M has taken strong and consistent action against theocratic, autocratic, and feudalistic monarchy.

Now the Nepalese people must fight to ensure that the revolution is not subverted by reactionary imperialists from London, Washington, and Beijing.

[Dreckt]

Yeah, the UN troops would only help the king, not overthrow him. But at least there will be some progress once the king is gone... I hope.

[Janus]

Another protestor was shot dead today taking the total death count to 4. The curfew has also been lifted in Kathmandu. Evreryone is criticizing the Nepalese government's use of excessive force. I sincerely hope that these protests will result in the abdication of the king at the very least.

Nepal police shoot dead protester (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4902034.stm)

[piet11111]

maoism and leninism are great for pulling out country's that are laying face down in the mud and steam them ready for capitalism.

and that is a good thing as capitalism is a step up for nepal.
with capitalism foreign capitalists find a brand new market ready to pillage and they will invest to develop the country as fast as possible to maximise profits.

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Redgardless if it is Maoist are not, the comrades in Nepal have my full support! I think this is a mile-stone, in the global revolutionary fight.

[Enragé]

god i hate those menshevik bastards

[violencia.Proletariat]

Maoist state with a future of industrialization and bringing the country into modern capitalism

or

Autocractic semi feudalistic despotism that keeps the country backwards?

Thats an easy one!

[YSR]

Got to agree with Nate. I may not like Maoism as an idea, but success has been met here.

I only hope that the post-revolutionary situation doesn't fuck itself up by becoming authoritarian.

[Janus]

Maoist state with a future of industrialization and bringing the country into modern capitalism
It seems that the Maoists have been pretty unclear about their ultimate goals.

In the last interview with Prachanda, the Maoist leader stated that his goal was to establish a democratic republic in Nepal and made no mention of a socialist state.

Here is the full transcript of the interview
Prachanda interview: Full transcript (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4707482.stm)

[anomaly]

Originally posted by Janus
It seems that the Maoists have been pretty unclear about their ultimate goals.
Overthrowing a primitive feudal monarchy is one of them. And that's progress. :)


made no mention of a socialist state
Speaking from a materialist perspective, it is impossible for them to build this coveted 'socialist state'. They will create a modern capitalist society...eventually. I look for them to take a path similar to the Chinese.

[Janus]

Overthrowing a primitive feudal monarchy is one of them.
Yes, Prachanda stated that was one of the basic goals as well as setting up a democratic republic.

It's all in the interview transcript.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Do these Nepalese Maoists differ from the traditional Maoists in any sense?

[Rakshas]

Though most of the comrades on the revolutionaryleft might not agree with Marxism-Leninism or Marxism-Maoism, but it cannot be denied that wherever such revolution took place and were successful, that led to liberation of women, workers and made way for rapid industrialisation of the country. Czarist Russia or Feudal China were one of the most backward countries in the world, but in a matter of few decades, they transformed themselves into heavily industrialised socialist states. They somehow succeeded in creating material conditions for the transformation of society from socialism to communism.

I have a question though, do we really need foreign and capital investments to create a capitalist society, after a successful leftist revolution? Does it not signal the departure from anti-capitalist, anti-bourgeoisie stand that most of the Leninist/Maoists take up?

Your thoughts please!

[Tickin' TimebOmb John]

I diagree with sum sentiments that the only option for a Nepal taken by the Maoists is 'a modern capitalist society'. The Maoists should make all efforts to prevent such events taking course, as whilst what they create cannot and will not be a 'perfect' socialist/communist society, by opposing capitalist imperialism and interference from foreign corporations, a better society can be created for their own citizens, whilst contributing to further the downfall of capitalism globally by giving it one less underdeveloped nation to exploit.

[Janus]

Do these Nepalese Maoists differ from the traditional Maoists in any sense?
Well, recently several Maoist leaders were kicked out for criticizing Prachanda for being too moderate. In the interview, Prachanda didn't say anything about a socialist state but rather stated his goals to be that of getting rid of the king and establishing a democratic republic. Therefore, Prachanda is more moderate than most other Maoists. We'll just have to wait to see where the Prachanda path goes.

[Rakshas]

I have heard that daughter of Dr. Baburam Bhattarai (Second in command only to Prachanda) is in London pursuing a bourgeoisie degree...so much for the revolution! :angry:

[Janus]

I have heard that daughter of Dr. Baburam Bhattarai (Second in command only to Prachanda) is in London pursuing a bourgeoisie degree
Source? Why does he need another degree when he has more important things on his hands. But this is something that the kicked out Maoist leaders criticized Prachanda for, that he lives in comfort and his sons do as well.

[TC]

Uh, well, when you anarchist/libertarian-"communists" (who are, de facto, pro-Capitalists) start an effective armed uprising, then you can argue for how it compares favorably to Maoist revolution.

Until then, you're just utopian postmodernists delivering meaningless anti-Communist propaganda. Either give a viable real world alternative that has worked and can work in practice, support real workers revolution that actually works, or admit that you're enemies of workers power.

[Rawthentic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 08:59 AM
Uh, well, when you anarchist/libertarian-"communists" (who are, de facto, pro-Capitalists) start an effective armed uprising, then you can argue for how it compares favorably to Maoist revolution.

Until then, you're just utopian postmodernists delivering meaningless anti-Communist propaganda. Either give a viable real world alternative that has worked and can work in practice, support real workers revolution that actually works, or admit that you're enemies of workers power.
Maoist huh? <_< thats too bad. Maybe the reason we hate Maoism and Leninism isn because of the authoritarian Party that it creates and separates itself from the masses. They no longer respond to the needs of the people as much, but to their Party&#39;s needs. History has shown how much Maoist or Leninist revolutions have been fucked. They have succeeded in totalitarianism, personality cults, and purges. Maoism in my opinion is counterrevolutionary except maybe in feudal or semi feudal societies. In an advanced capitalist society like the US, Maoism and Leninism are shit. They think they are the "professional" revolutionaries and that the masses have to listen to them because the masses dont know anything and therefore have to be guided by a fucking Party. Council Communism is the revolutionary order of the day. It is Marxism in its purest sense. Before the fucking Bolsheviks came in with their Party, Russia was controlled by soviets, or worker&#39;s councils that put the power in the hands of the people. And after the Party took over, look what resulted :o . Thats right. Before you go *****ing with your decrepit Leninism, read and learn some more, then come ***** about Leninism or Maoism to us. I assume you support the RCP or the PLP? You want another Stalin? Maoism is not real workers revolution. You could have said that China was, but look at what happened. Mao and his cult and the totalitarian Communist Party. Maoism and Leninism will result in a dictatorship just like it has in the rest of the world, while worker&#39;s councils, like the Paris Commune, have put the power in the peoples hands completely.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Tickin&#39; TimebOmb [email protected] 13 2006, 10:27 AM
I diagree with sum sentiments that the only option for a Nepal taken by the Maoists is &#39;a modern capitalist society&#39;
It&#39;s not an "option", it&#39;s an inevitability


Uh, well, when you anarchist/libertarian-"communists" (who are, de facto, pro-Capitalists) start an effective armed uprising, then you can argue for how it compares favorably to Maoist revolution.
As much as I disagree with you...


I look for them to take a path similar to the Chinese.
...comments like that really piss me off :angry:


led to liberation of women, workers and made way for rapid industrialisation of the country
Well, one out of three ain&#39;t bad

[YSR]

Originally posted by TragicClown
Either give a viable real world alternative that has worked and can work in practice, support real workers revolution that actually works, or admit that you&#39;re enemies of workers power.

Damn. You caught me, TragicClown. All this time I thought I was supporting a revolution of the oppressed against the destructive forces of capitalism and the State, and it turns out I am just an "enemy of workers power". So glad you pointed out to me what I really am.

[redsoldier32]

i can see it now "the people&#39;s republic of nepal"

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 04:59 PM

Until then, you&#39;re just utopian postmodernists delivering meaningless anti-Communist propaganda. Either give a viable real world alternative that has worked and can work in practice, support real workers revolution that actually works, or admit that you&#39;re enemies of workers power.
I love this argument.

Leninists, on their high horses like to rave about how they had succesful "revolutions". They don&#39;t realize though that there has been many succesful bourgeois revolutions&#33;

and that is what leninism has been in history, a bunch of bourgeois revolutions.

Until you are able to demonstrate how leninists were able to achieve worker power shut up.

[Tickin&#39; TimebOmb John]

QUOTE (Tickin&#39; TimebOmb John @ Apr 13 2006, 10:27 AM)
I diagree with sum sentiments that the only option for a Nepal taken by the Maoists is &#39;a modern capitalist society&#39;


It&#39;s not an "option", it&#39;s an inevitability


That&#39;s not the case. If/When a Maoist takeover of power is securred, an anti-capitalist Maoist state can come into existance, without its inevitable end being capitalism. Its longevity as a Maoist state is questoinable without backing from other nations, but a collapse of pro-capitalist ideas in the third world can and will lead to discontent and revolution in the first world, and result in a situation where nations like Nepal can become sustainable socialist states without developing through a capitalist stage.

Maoism is not the ideal structure for a revolutionary movement, but removing the current government from power is surely a step in the right direction. As the idea of an anarcho-communist revolution taking grip in underdevelped nations like Nepal is unrealistic, this kind of Maoist revolution must be backed.

[More Fire for the People]

Maoist state with a future of industrialization and bringing the country into modern capitalism
Indeed this is the goal of all hitherto Eastern Maoists. They have upheld a programme of ‘new democracy’ that allows the national-bourgeoisie to operate in rural areas as “modernizers” that industrialize and in the urban areas as “employers” to reduce unemployment.

[Red Heretic]

All of the talk about a Democratic Republic is because Nepal is in the stage of New Democratic revolution, in which the bourgeoisie is allowed to develop under the ultimate control of the proletariat. This is similar to the Soviet Union under the NEP, or China after the revolution but before the socialist stage, which didn&#39;t begin until 1949.

Chairman Prachanda has laid out a program to establish a Democratic Republic this year, and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat within the next 5 years. He covered this in his interview with the BBC, and so didn&#39;t Baburam Bhattari.
One does not leap from semi-fuedalism over night, and there is much work and sturggle to be done in Nepal before they can establish socialism.

All of these claims of Nepal moving ultimately toward capitalism are ridiculous. The CPNM is doing everything it can to implement anti-revisionist programs that will work to not repeat the mistakes that led to the capitalist coup in China (in 1976).

[Cheung Mo]

I can&#39;t wait for the day the Maoists start going Robespierre on the entire fucking aristocracy...It&#39;s coming&#33; :-)

[вор в законе]

/&#092; They will probably escape the country once they see that the course of events can not change.

As for Nepal, I have the impression that they will become a satelite state of China. Neverthless this is a progressive revolution.

[Cheung Mo]

I don&#39;t see how becoming a Chinese satellite would the Nepali people much considering which side Beijing has been backing (The RNA, as everybody here should know and as anybody foolish enough to defend China as socialist country should deeply consider) over the past few years.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 14 2006, 01:43 PM
As for Nepal, I have the impression that they will become a satelite state of China. Neverthless this is a progressive revolution.
The CPN(M) is completely opposed to the PRC. The CPN(M) declares the PRC revisionist and capitalist and the PRC has also aided the Monarch.

[JC1]

It will be hard for the king to shout/when prachanda sticks a fist in his mouth.

[Cheung Mo]

Sources within the palace are reporting that King Gyanendra and his family intend to go into exile.

http://www.asiantribune.com/show_news.php?id=17637

Let us hope that the People&#39;s Warriors are able to shoot down their plane and send the fucking Ranas to a fiery death&#33;

I suggest that the People&#39;s Warriors launch massive attacks against American, British, and Chinese targets in Nepal as retribution for their supporting the RNA and the reactionary regime.

Here&#39;s what the bad guys are saying:

http://nepali-blogger.blogspot.com/

Education my ass&#33; Leung Kwok-hung is a high school drop-out and he&#39;s the only elected official in Asia with a fucking clue.

[emokid08]

I would first like to say that I hope everything with Red Heretic is okay. I went through something similar. Thankfully I have a great group of friends and a new found love. I hope everything will be alright, Red Heretic&#33;

I agree with Hasta, that the Revolutionaries have to be careful and not let Nepal become the next chapter in the sad book titled "Failed Revolutions"

But I do support the Revolutionaries and thier goals and missions.


I can&#39;t wait for the day the Maoists start going Robespierre on the entire fucking aristocracy...It&#39;s coming&#33; :-)

Nor can I &#33;


Chairman Prachanda has laid out a program to establish a Democratic Republic this year, and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat within the next 5 years. He covered this in his interview with the BBC, and so didn&#39;t Baburam Bhattari.
One does not leap from semi-fuedalism over night, and there is much work and sturggle to be done in Nepal before they can establish socialism.

All of these claims of Nepal moving ultimately toward capitalism are ridiculous. The CPNM is doing everything it can to implement anti-revisionist programs that will work to not repeat the mistakes that led to the capitalist coup in China (in 1976).

This looks promising. I hope the Chairman is successful. I have always supported liberating the Nepalese from the shackles of the monarchy.But, as usual with Maoism, looks can be decieving.
LOL just a side note to any on who plays C&C:Generals - Didn&#39;t I sound like the Chinese resource gatherer when I said "This looks promising" ? LOL

[red team]

I wonder which host country the Dalai Lama and his religious entourage will go to now. :lol:

I&#39;ve heard they&#39;ve set up their base of operations in Nepal after they&#39;ve exiled themselves out of the PRC when their attempt to restore Budhist theocracy was defeated.

[Severian]

All of the above is really beside the point. Take a moment to examine what&#39;s actually happening in Nepal right now&#33;

All these mass actions in the cities are not led by the CPN(Maoist). They are led by a coalition of seven parliamentary oppositiion parties, some of which call themselves Communist and have a base in the working class and unions. Mass reformist workers parties, basically. Others are simply bourgeois parties.

In the past, the CPN(Maoist) was in violent conflict with these parties; it abducted, tortured, and murdered their activists, and justified this by claiming they were informers and collaborators with the monarchy&#33;

But now it&#39;s had to climb down, cease its violence against them, and conclude a loose alliance. Recently it called off its own violent blockade of the cities at the seven parties&#39; request.

Which reflects: there is not going to be any "People&#39;s Republic of Nepal", and the CPN(Maoist)&#39;s leadership knows it&#33; They are not on the road to victory, and have no prospect of taking the cities with their own forces. Faced with indefinite stalemate, their forces will eventually disintegrate as the Shining Path&#39;s did; the peasants will become increasingly discontented with their harsh rule. Already they have been forced to resort to conscripting soldiers as they get fewer and fewer volunteers.

At the same time, the absolute-monarchy regime is increasingly isolated - domestically and internationally. India and the U.S. are no longer supplying it with weapons; and even the PRC has called on the monarchy to make peace with the parliamentary opposition parties. (Though it hasn&#39;t cut off the weapons, or even threatened to publicly.) They wouldn&#39;t be doing that if they thought the absolute monarchy could produce stability at home.

The weakening of both sides of the stalemate has created an opening for the urban masses, including the working class, to become a third force in the conflict. Though its leaders are loosely allied with the CPN(Maoist) - and why not, tactically - the workers are mobilizing independently, for their own goals.

[Brownfist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:37 AM
All these mass actions in the cities are not led by the CPN(Maoist). They are led by a coalition of seven parliamentary oppositiion parties, some of which call themselves Communist and have a base in the working class and unions. Mass reformist workers parties, basically. Others are simply bourgeois parties.
Actually I disagree. If one looks at the Chinese revolution one notices that the first government of the People&#39;s Rublic of China was a coalition government as well in which the CPC was only one party albeit the largest. Similarly, in Nepal, the bourgeois parties have some support in the city which comprises a small section of the Nepalese population, whereas the Maoists control large sections of the countryside.

I do not think that a military victory can be had over the RNA. This is why the 7 party coalition was developed. The urban based parties like the CPN(UML) and Nepali Congress definately have more impact in the city, however, the Maoists do control large sections of the countryside.

As for this not being a socialist revolution. It is not. However, this is following Mao&#39;s 3 stages towards communism i.e. New Democratic Revolution, Socialist Revolution and then finally Communism. I think that people on this board have to read the material conditions of Nepal before advocating workers revolution or the such. In an largely peasant economy, in which even the working class is not industrialized labor, a workers revolution is impossible. Furthermore, one has to look at the identity formations of the protestors. Besides a few protests like the journalists, there hasnt been a claim to working class identity. Rather, there is more evidence of a anti-monarchial "crowd" than a specified working class identity.

I thought that communists were suppossed to be historical materialists. However, most of the people on this board operate in the realm of ideology and not materiality. If you want to comment on the current state of Nepalese politics, and spend you time saying that it is going to fail, then do a thorough study of the material conditions and then present reasons rather than focusing on ideological presuppositions.

[Cheung Mo]

Another reason the Maoists are willing to work the reformist parties of the communist and social democratic left: The reformist parties have finally realised (through the experience of parliamentary democracy in the 1990s) that adding a democratically elected parliament on top of an autocratic political system without reforming that political system is a fucking sham that doesn&#39;t help anyone. Furthermore, they&#39;ve also realised that the Westminster system (which already sucks enough here in Canada) is completely inappropriate for Nepal.

[Horatii]

Redgardless if it is Maoist are not, the comrades in Nepal have my full support&#33; I think this is a mile-stone, in the global revolutionary fight.

They&#39;re all murderers. Both the Maoists and Fuedalists have abominable human rights records, so I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if this "revolution" (I hate to call anything as reactionary as "maoist" a revolution) succeedes, there is little doubt that "The new bastards are just as terrible as the old bastards." - I think that was Pancho Villa.

I"d like them to prove me wrong though.

[More Fire for the People]

Name a human rights violation by the Maoists — and if you can name one, defend why they had a right to be human.

[Horatii]

http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/repo...+Centre+Reports (http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/reports/view.php?load=arcview&article=2650&c=Resource+Centre+Reports)

Don&#39;t get me wrong, the Monarch is extremely oppresive, but abducting and massacring children isn&#39;t exactly my cup of tea.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Brownfist+Apr 16 2006, 11:08 AM--> (Brownfist @ Apr 16 2006, 11:08 AM)
[email protected] 16 2006, 04:37 AM
All these mass actions in the cities are not led by the CPN(Maoist). They are led by a coalition of seven parliamentary oppositiion parties, some of which call themselves Communist and have a base in the working class and unions. Mass reformist workers parties, basically. Others are simply bourgeois parties.
Actually I disagree. If one looks at the Chinese revolution one notices that the first government of the People&#39;s Rublic of China was a coalition government as well in which the CPC was only one party albeit the largest. Similarly, in Nepal, the bourgeois parties have some support in the city which comprises a small section of the Nepalese population, whereas the Maoists control large sections of the countryside.
....
I thought that communists were suppossed to be historical materialists. However, most of the people on this board operate in the realm of ideology and not materiality. If you want to comment on the current state of Nepalese politics, and spend you time saying that it is going to fail, then do a thorough study of the material conditions and then present reasons rather than focusing on ideological presuppositions. [/b]
Follow your own advice. Any halfway serious examination of the Nepalese situation will tell you that there is no analogy to the Chinese Revolution.

Also, the other parties in the early PRC were just figureheads.


I do not think that a military victory can be had over the RNA.

Which right there knocks out your analogy to the Chinese Revolution. It&#39;s the least of the differences, of course.


Furthermore, one has to look at the identity formations of the protestors. Besides a few protests like the journalists, there hasnt been a claim to working class identity. Rather, there is more evidence of a anti-monarchial "crowd" than a specified working class identity.

"a claim to working-class identity"? What is that? Anybody can claim to have a "working-class identity", including middle-class Maoist parties, what counts is whether people are workers.

Most people in large demonstrations will be workers, for the simple reason that the urban middle class in Nepal is limited in size. Additionally, there&#39;s are strikes, and mass reformist workers parties and labor unions are involved.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:59 PM
http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/repo...+Centre+Reports (http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/reports/view.php?load=arcview&article=2650&c=Resource+Centre+Reports)

Don&#39;t get me wrong, the Monarch is extremely oppresive, but abducting and massacring children isn&#39;t exactly my cup of tea.
I knew you would quote Amnesty International — AI has been serving as a puppet of the bourgeoisie sense its inception. Time after time AI has been shown to be displaying either outright bias or misinformation. Not to mention the fact that AI just so happens to "overlook" some abuses.

[Brownfist]

Severian, if you actually spent some time understanding what working class conciousness was, you would understand what I mean by "a claim to working-class identity". However, just because I know that reading a book would just impede on your time spent reading this online board, I will explain in simple language.

A working class revolution can only occur when a population of workers understand and recognize their working-class identity and organize together on the grounds of being workers. It does not suffice for the outsider to state that they are workers, rather the population must have a working class consciousness. Antonio Gramsci argued that we could not just wait for economic crises to arise resulting in working class revolutions, rather he posited that the party needed to develop counter-hegemonic ideology. In the case of Nepal today, the population has not organized itself within the framework of the "working-class", rather they have mobilized in an anti-monarchial movement. Thus, their identity as worker is being subsumed under a monarch-subject identity, and their demands are demonstrative of such an identity formation. This lack of a clear working class identity Bhattari has argued in his political-economic analysis of Nepal is due to the lack of industralization in Nepal. Furthermore, drawing from a Maoist analysis of semi-feudal semi-colonial relations, he argues that the Nepalese bourgeoisie has not developed such industrialization and thus the party through a new democratic revolution has to industralize the economy.

As for doing a materialist political economy analysis of Nepal. I havent done one. I admit it. Rather, I rely on the works of other academics who have done such work. Are their clear parallels between Nepal and China, no. However, what I was positing at that point in my post is that there is precedence for such an action (creating the 7 party alliance), and contextualizing it within Maoist theory. What you have done is decontextualize my first paragraph and last paragraph. The concept of disjointed paragraphs is that there not be a clear thesis which is continued from paragraph to paragraph.

[Horatii]

knew you would quote Amnesty International — AI has been serving as a puppet of the bourgeoisie sense its inception. Time after time AI has been shown to be displaying either outright bias or misinformation. Not to mention the fact that AI just so happens to "overlook" some abuses.


"It doesn&#39;t go along with my beliefs so it&#39;s propaganda."

[Cheung Mo]

I tend to trust AI: They were founded to give victims of Portuguese fascism a voice and tend to be extremely anti-Washington and anti-Beijing unlike the neo-con puppets at Freedom House who seem to "think" that there is more freedom in Amerikkka than in France.

[YSR]

Just a note: Has anyone been reading the bourgeois press about Nepal? Almost every day there&#39;s a small AP update in my local paper. I&#39;ve been checking, but I haven&#39;t seen the words "Maoist" or "Communist" in this update for over a week and a half.

I&#39;m gonna play fortune teller and predict this one: Once the king is removed, the press will proclaim "democratic victory". Then, a few days later, when the Maoists move in to assume control, the press will cry "Communist takeover repleaces legitimate republic&#33;" This is the perfect set-up for the press. If they pretend that the Maoists don&#39;t exist, then can claim that the Maoists simply appeared out of nowhere.

Once again, I wish we could convince a few more smart capitalists to join our side, because they&#39;re just so damn cunning&#33; What a sweet deal they&#39;ve set up for themselves here.

This worries me down the line: Is the Bush regime and whoever their replacements will be actually serious about this whole Iran thing? If they are, could Nepal, as a dangerous Maoist country (as I can only assume it will become, at this point) be on the list? Or because of the are less geopolitically important, will they be spared?

[anomaly]

Originally posted by YSR
This worries me down the line: Is the Bush regime and whoever their replacements will be actually serious about this whole Iran thing? If they are, could Nepal, as a dangerous Maoist country (as I can only assume it will become, at this point) be on the list? Or because of the are less geopolitically important, will they be spared?
This is actually a very interesting question. I hadn&#39;t thought of it.

The Bush regime does seem rather serious about Iran. There are some subtle clues out there. For one thing, the media has been pumping the &#39;evil-doings&#39; of Iran for some time, rather like what happened pre-Iraq. Another thing, whenever Bush speaks about Iran, he makes a point of saying, time and time again, "violence is still on the table" or something to that effect.

However, if they do invade Iran, it will be the biggest mistake since Vietnam, since casualty levels will probably be equally high. Iran would make Iraq look like a cake walk. And the US is losing in Iraq.

If this tide of American imperialism does not cease, Nepal could very well be on the table. It borders China, so if it has any resources the US deems important, it would be in the strategic interest of the US to take out any pro-Chinese (which the new Nepalese government inevitably would be) government in Nepal.

However, if the US does that, we piss off China. And then we&#39;re fucked. So maybe Nepal will be protected by big brother to the east.

But with the insanity of the neo-cons, I wouldn&#39;t rule anything out. :(

[Horatii]

However, if they do invade Iran, it will be the biggest mistake since Vietnam, since casualty levels will probably be equally high. Iran would make Iraq look like a cake walk.

Vietnam wasn&#39;t a mistake at all from the American perspective. Why? They completely destroyed any chance for vietnam&#39;s leftist government to be economically successful. Regardless of casualties or percieved "victory" they did achieve their goals.


But with the insanity of the neo-cons, I wouldn&#39;t rule anything out.

Truth.

[Janus]

However, if they do invade Iran, it will be the biggest mistake since Vietnam, since casualty levels will probably be equally high.
With what&#39;s going on in Riaq, I seriously doubt that the US has that capability. But some type of action isn&#39;t ruled out yet.


It borders China, so if it has any resources the US deems important
There really aren&#39;t any.


It borders China, so if it has any resources the US deems important, it would be in the strategic interest of the US to take out any pro-Chinese (which the new Nepalese government inevitably would be) government in Nepal.

However, if the US does that, we piss off China. And then we&#39;re fucked. So maybe Nepal will be protected by big brother to the east.
The Chinese government is not friendly to the Maoists. They support the king.


If they are, could Nepal, as a dangerous Maoist country
It is unclear whether the Maoists will be able to take over power. Prachanda seems uncertain about this and has expressed his main goal to be estabilishing a democratic republic. We&#39;ll have to see where the Prachanda path takes Nepal.

[Janus]

It seems that there has been more violence in Nepal. There has been more shootings committed by the police and a fifth fatality.

Also, I found this somewhat interesting (thougheven that may be doubtful):

Originally posted by AP
King Gyanendra, meanwhile, met with two ex-prime ministers to explore a solution to the crisis and appeared to be considering giving up some powers he seized 14 months ago when he dissolved parliament in a move that he said was needed to restore order and end a communist insurgency.

Nepalese Forces Fire on Demonstrators (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/ap_on_re_as/nepal;_ylt=AtlIlUylBYtX8xN8ERHTeLcBxg8F;_ylu=X3oDM TBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--)

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 09:53 PM

knew you would quote Amnesty International — AI has been serving as a puppet of the bourgeoisie sense its inception. Time after time AI has been shown to be displaying either outright bias or misinformation. Not to mention the fact that AI just so happens to "overlook" some abuses.


"It doesn&#39;t go along with my beliefs so it&#39;s propaganda."
Right... that explains why I&#39;m defending Maoists even though I&#39;m a Trotskyist-Leninist or that my favourite author is a democratic socialist? Or the fact that I have an interest in the psychology of Freud, Lacan, et. al. even though they were anti-marxists?

[citizen_snips]

I wonder which host country the Dalai Lama and his religious entourage will go to now. laugh.gif

I&#39;ve heard they&#39;ve set up their base of operations in Nepal after they&#39;ve exiled themselves out of the PRC when their attempt to restore Budhist theocracy was defeated.

Maybe they&#39;ll all move permanently to Arran&#33;

On the revolutionaries: So far as their action goes, overthrowing the king is something that deseves support no matter what their ideology is. It could well turn out to have a less than happy result at the end of it all, but a revolution at least gives the opportunity for change.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 07:05 PM
Severian, if you actually spent some time understanding what working class conciousness was, you would understand what I mean by "a claim to working-class identity".
....
A working class revolution can only occur when a population of workers understand and recognize their working-class identity and organize together on the grounds of being workers.
If you meant class-consciousness, why didn&#39;t you say so?

Because "claiming working-class identity", as in your example of holding a demonstration of journalists as journalists, is not the same thing.

Certainly some class consciousness is involved in these mass actions by workers, probably more than in anything else in Nepalese politics recently. Certainly more than that needed by a peasant in order to be conscripted into the CPN(Maoist)&#39;s army or forced-labor brigades.

For that matter, one has to ask what are the common motives for peasants who voluntarily support the CPN(Maoist); if it&#39;s anything like the motives many peasants had for supporting the similar Shining Path group in Peru (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/tree/browse_frm/thread/53b844aa05847658/0b92797712d98ec7?rnum=1) then it certainly doesn&#39;t lead them in the direction of alliance with the working class.)

First of all, these include strikes of labor unions and parties with a mass working-class base - the Communit Party of Nepal(UML), the CPN(this) and the CPN(that) mostly seem equivalent to say the French Communist Party, or what the British Labour Party was when it started out. They are, in fact, organizations of workers as workers, or if you prefer "on the grounds of being workers."

It&#39;s the most elementary kind of class-consciousness of course. But that&#39;s what all other kinds are built on.

[Red Heretic]

*sigh*

I grow tired of Sectarian&#39;s rants. They&#39;re all the same.

"The CPN(M) is the Khmer Rouge [even though the Khmer Rouge hates Maoists and Maoists hate the Khmer Rouge, and they&#39;re tactics have absolutely nothing in common]&#33;"

" The CPN(M) is the Shining Path [which I think they would actually be flattered by]&#33;"

"The CPN(M)/Shining Path did [insert accidental civilian casualty that the party took a self-criticism for, and was solely the action of an individual] so they&#39;re obviously reactionary&#33;"

"I have proof, read this [ridiculous] article from a first world sectarian Trotskyite group that spends 3/4&#39;s of it&#39;s time trying to attack Maoists and revolutions all over the world&#33;"

Fucking get over it&#33; How about actually trying to build a revolution here? Oh, that&#39;s right, the SWP doesn&#39;t think revolution is necessary&#33;

[Brownfist]

Red Heretic
insert accidental civilian casualty that the party took a self-criticism for, and was solely the action of an individual

Red Heretic I agree with the overall sentiment of your arguement. However, I do think that we (those who support Maoist movements around the world) should be more critical of our movements. So parties like the CPP, CPN(Maoist), CPI(Maoist) have spent considerable time analyzing their own movements, and have seen real errors in policy, criticised themselves and made real changes to their policies. So I do not think that we should gloss over the failures of the party by saying that an action "was solely the action of an individual", and was an accidental casualty which the party took self-criticism for. Furthermore, the party has to take accountability for the individual actions of their members. Com. Prachanda cited these individual actions committed by party members and village militia members as one of the reasons for the ceasefire last year. If, Com. Prachanda is willing to see a real problem, so should we. We, as supporters of the movement should apply the same rigorous analysis and critique that these parties place on themselves. By admitting to errors in party line or problems in party discipline one does not become a reactionary, but trying to act is if our parties have made no errors is reactionary. Mao would refer to this glossing over as liberalism. Thus, as I said earlier, I fully agree that people on this board who spend more time predicting failure than organizing should be a little more critical of themselves but that should not absolve us supporters either.

[Brownfist]

As for Severian, I guess nuance is a word that you have little understanding of. Questions of identity and conciousness are closely co-related, however, they are not one and the same. Thus, if one looks at the identities that are assumed by the protestors in Kathmandu, they do not identity as workers but raher as Nepali anti-monarchial nationalists. Anti-monarchial nationalist does not necessarily mean workers. As for the peasants that joined the CPN(M) or their "forced-labor brigades" as you refer to them, peasants identity and conciousness needs to be developed by the party through anti-hegemonic ideological apparatuses (oh, before you call this a sign of Maoist indoctrination I get this idea from Gramsci, who was no Maoist).

Furthermore, to state that parties like the CPN(UML) etc have large mass organizations is laughable. They are extremely small parties with little popular support. This is why these protests cannot be identified as the result of a working class movement, but rather a anti-feudal movement.

As for the Maoists and their relationship to the urban proletriat. Maoism does not mean that one does not organize the urban proletariat in conjunction with peasantry, rather it does posit that in a semi-colonial semi-feudal country the peasant population which comprises the mass majority population is the population that need to be mobilized. One of Mao&#39;s major contributions to Marxist theory was his identification of peasant political consciousness. Prior to Mao&#39;s intervention, Marxist theory often argued that peasants had pre-political consciousness.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Brow[email protected] 18 2006, 05:52 PM
Red Heretic I agree with the overall sentiment of your arguement. However, I do think that we (those who support Maoist movements around the world) should be more critical of our movements. So parties like the CPP, CPN(Maoist), CPI(Maoist) have spent considerable time analyzing their own movements, and have seen real errors in policy, criticised themselves and made real changes to their policies. So I do not think that we should gloss over the failures of the party by saying that an action "was solely the action of an individual", and was an accidental casualty which the party took self-criticism for. Furthermore, the party has to take accountability for the individual actions of their members. Com. Prachanda cited these individual actions committed by party members and village militia members as one of the reasons for the ceasefire last year. If, Com. Prachanda is willing to see a real problem, so should we. We, as supporters of the movement should apply the same rigorous analysis and critique that these parties place on themselves. By admitting to errors in party line or problems in party discipline one does not become a reactionary, but trying to act is if our parties have made no errors is reactionary. Mao would refer to this glossing over as liberalism. Thus, as I said earlier, I fully agree that people on this board who spend more time predicting failure than organizing should be a little more critical of themselves but that should not absolve us supporters either.
Word.

I totally agree with you comrade, and I have eluded to these things in previous posts. The point I was trying to make was that Sevarian tries to take individual incidents that do not reflect the overall nature, outlook, or actions of those parties, and then use things to paint a picture of them as a "Maoist Khmer Rouge."

I have repeatedly noted the self-criticisms taken by the party, and Prachanda himself (especially in recent interviews) in debates with Sevarian. The problem is that Sevarian just keeps intentionally ignoring the self-criticisms and the changes in party policy in order to mount his sectarian dogma against Maoists to the vast majority of the people who read this board and do not know any better.

If I came across as downplaying those mistakes, I was making a serious mistake, and I deeply self-criticize my actions for that.

[Red Heretic]

On a side note, photographs from the recent revolts have been posted on the fourth page of the Nepal photo thread, here:

Nepal Revolution Photo Thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46231&st=75)

[Cheung Mo]

Mere death is not enough for an army that backs the autocratic will of the government over the democratic will of the people: Its members deserve tortures that not even Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin could have envisioned.

[Janus]

There has been more violence in Nepal as police have killed 3 more protestors. The situation seems to be reaching a breaking point now as more and more people are participating in anti-moarchy demonstrations. An estiamted 30,000 people from surrounding areas have even tried to participate in the Kathmandu demonstrations.

And check out this incident:

Doctors at Model hospital in Katmandu said three people had died and more than 40 were seriously injured, most with head wounds, after police fired rubber and live bullets at protesters.

Police stormed the hospital later in the evening and seized the dead bodies, hospital staff said. The police did not give a reason for taking the bodies, they said.

Nepalese Police Kill 3 More Protesters (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nepal;_ylt=AnB6CqqwlOfMADcyX4oksWOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDM TA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)

[TC]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 20 2006, 02:28 PM
Mere death is not enough for an army that backs the autocratic will of the government over the democratic will of the people: Its members deserve tortures that not even Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin could have envisioned.
i think thats a pretty fucked up thing to say.

[Taevus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 04:36 PM
There has been more violence in Nepal as police have killed 3 more protestors. The situation seems to be reaching a breaking point now as more and more people are participating in anti-moarchy demonstrations. An estiamted 30,000 people from surrounding areas have even tried to participate in the Kathmandu demonstrations.

And check out this incident:

Doctors at Model hospital in Katmandu said three people had died and more than 40 were seriously injured, most with head wounds, after police fired rubber and live bullets at protesters.

Police stormed the hospital later in the evening and seized the dead bodies, hospital staff said. The police did not give a reason for taking the bodies, they said.

Nepalese Police Kill 3 More Protesters (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nepal;_ylt=AnB6CqqwlOfMADcyX4oksWOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDM TA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)
Looks like the balloon is almost ready to burst...

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by TragicClown+Apr 20 2006, 04:47 PM--> (TragicClown @ Apr 20 2006, 04:47 PM)
Cheung [email protected] 20 2006, 02:28 PM
Mere death is not enough for an army that backs the autocratic will of the government over the democratic will of the people: Its members deserve tortures that not even Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin could have envisioned.
i think thats a pretty fucked up thing to say. [/b]
Why? They have inflicted untold suffering upon millions: Who should they deserve a better fate than a Maoist kangaroo court and a cruel ending to their pathetic existence? Remember: These aren&#39;t humans we&#39;re talking about...They cannot think or feel in the way that you, I, or Hell, even George W. Bush can...They are dispassionate machines brainwashed by fundamentalist religion to kill and oppress in exchange for a life of luxury that no common Nepali could ever envision and in the name of a feudal, hypocritical theocracy whose mere existence is one of the ultimate affronts to human dignity.

The superpowers and those complicit in their fascism know this and also know that even the average non-Nepali would find support for the theocracy unacceptable...And that&#39;s why they make sure it&#39;s impossible to find out via mainstream sources that the RNA gets all of its backing from Washington, London, Beijing, and New Delhi.

[Jesus Christ!]

Originally posted by Disciple of [email protected] 12 2006, 07:34 PM
Redgardless if it is Maoist are not, the comrades in Nepal have my full support&#33; I think this is a mile-stone, in the global revolutionary fight.
I completely agree.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 12:02 PM
Furthermore, to state that parties like the CPN(UML) etc have large mass organizations is laughable. They are extremely small parties with little popular support.
According to the holy writ of Comrade Prachandra? Facts indicate otherwise, from election results to the current mass protests.


This is why these protests cannot be identified as the result of a working class movement, but rather a anti-feudal movement.

Huh?


As for the Maoists and their relationship to the urban proletriat. Maoism does not mean that one does not organize the urban proletariat in conjunction with peasantry, rather it does posit that in a semi-colonial semi-feudal country the peasant population which comprises the mass majority population is the population that need to be mobilized.

I certainly have no intention of debating the definition or "ideology" of Maoism with you. But the material fact is that the CPN(Maoist), like the Shining Path, is hostile to the working class and its organizations, and has carried out terror against it.

[red team]

I certainly have no intention of debating the definition or "ideology" of Maoism with you. But the material fact is that the CPN(Maoist), like the Shining Path, is hostile to the working class and its organizations, and has carried out terror against it.


If that was actually true, the CPN would have as much support for their movement as the Taliban has in Afghanistan. The people would be flocking to the RNA to be active soldiers or informants in droves to counter Maoist "terror".

[Dreckt]

I&#39;m pretty surprised that the king has not yet been shot. How long can he last?

[Cheung Mo]

I&#39;m more disappointed than surprised.

[Martin Blank]

I&#39;m surprised this statement hasn&#39;t been posted here yet. -- Miles

Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)
Central Committee
Press Statement

1.The countrywide mass movement launched according to the understanding reached on November 22, 2005 and March 19, 2006 between the CPN (Maoist) and the seven political parties is heading for victory with unprecedented mass participation, people&#39;s resistance and the sense of sacrifice. Thwarting all kinds of repressions including the fascist curfew and prohibition order against the general strike, disobedience movement and huge mass demonstrations particularly after April 6, 2006, the active and encouraging participation witnessed on the part of lakhs and crores of the masses of all levels and strata including peasants, workers, students, women, dalits, ethnic people, teachers, professors, doctors, engineers, lawyers, journalists, litterateurs, artists, civil servants, businessmen, industrialists and civil society has transformed this movement into a real united mass movement of all anti-monarchical democratic forces. Therefore, this movement has not now remained to be a movement only of either seven political parties or the CPN (Maoist) or civil society or any particular group but as a united movement of all the real democratic forces, who have been repeatedly deceived by the feudal autocratic monarchy since 1949. Grasping honestly and responsibly that this objective fact has developed first time in the Nepalese history, and defeating all kinds of splittist tendencies that emerge in the movement we appeal the entire political forces, civil society and the broad masses to make it reach to the final goal by further unifying, consolidating and reinforcing this movement.

2.The time has come to see off from the stage of history the royal fascist elements, who have dreamt of sustaining the moribund feudal autocratic power with the force of fascist repression, terror, massacre, Goebble&#39;s method of propaganda, misuse of the state fund etc. by dispensing a decisive last blow now. For this, it is very necessary to converge the flame of the movement, which is now blazing all across the country, particularly at the capital Kathmandu, enforce complete economic blockade to the royal power and shatter its administrative and security mechanism. In this course, expressing complete solidarity to the huge protest the seven political parties have called for from April 20 at Kathmandu, we heartily appeal the entire political activists, mass organizations, ethnic and regional fronts and the broad masses for an extensive and active participation. Likewise, we also appeal to all not to pay any kinds of taxes and tariffs, the officials from government and corporations to stop work by disobeying all orders from royal state and the officers and soldiers of royal army, armed police and police to disobey the royal power and again appeal to all to continue with countrywide general strike, protest rallies and people&#39;s resistance till the goal of movement has been achieved.

3. With the development of movement, a forceful voice is being raised from all sides to set a concrete goal and destination of the movement, which is obvious and correct. Despite the terminology of &#39;an end to absolute monarchy and establishment of full democracy&#39; was used to include the stances of all parties in the Maoist-Parliamentarian 12-point understanding, the underlying meaning of that was the abolition of monarchy and establishment of democratic republic, on which a commitment was made to institutionalize it through a free and fair election to the constituent assembly. An intense development of the movement and the slogans being chanted from people&#39;s level all across the country shows there is no doubt that the masses of the people have ratified the clear destination of democratic republic. Any other demand below the establishment of a republic through constituent assembly cannot provide a positive way out to the decade long conflict and cannot fulfil people&#39;s aspiration of democracy, peace and progress in the country. Therefore, paying attention to the experience of the democratic movement since 1949, the existing political power equation in the country and people&#39;s wish to become sovereign in all aspects, we have a firm stand that the movement must in no case be stopped or terminated with a compromise till the goal of democratic republic has been achieved by way of unconditional constituent assembly. Contrary to this, if attempts are made to abort this movement by a deceitful compromise half way like in 1949 and 1990, we specially appeal to the entire genuine democratic forces, civil societies and the broad masses to go ahead by forcefully resisting it.

4.It is necessary for the agitating forces to seriously bear in mind that the present movement is aimed at forward-looking restructuring of the state and not for mere adjustment of power. The preamble of the historic 12-point understanding, which states that "it has been an indispensable necessity to implement the concept of full democracy by way of forward-looking restructuring of the state to resolve the problems related to class, nationality, sex, region etc, in all the domains of political, economic, cultural spheres by establishing full democracy and bringing absolute monarchy to an end" justifies it fully. It is self-evident that the upcoming new democratic state is not the parliamentary system as of before February 1 (2005) and October 4 (2002), but a forward-looking multi-party democratic republic with the qualities that ensure wide participation of poor peasants and workers in the state power, autonomous rule of the oppressed nationalities, regions and Madhesi people along with right to self-determination, special privilege to women and dalits, fundamental right to all in all the domains of education, health and employment, redistribution of the land based on &#39;land to the tiller&#39; by ending the feudal land relation, development of national industrial and self-reliant economy etc. Not to understand the meaning and importance of wide participation, never seen before in history, of the wretched and poor section of the society, the oppressed rural masses, ethnic groups, women, dalits etc and their courageous resistance against the violence and repression of the royal power in the present urban movement, will be a big irony. Therefore, remaining cautious towards the fatal tendency of completely negating the people&#39;s war of ten years, heard and observed at times in the present movement, or the status-quoist tendency of talking about abstract &#39;restoration of democracy&#39; we sincerely appeal to all to make this movement reach the declared destination by advancing it unitedly.

5. Finally, reiferating our firm commitment towards the historic 12-point understanding and the second understanding reached with seven parliamentary parties and rejecting scornfully all kinds of disinformation compaign launched by the fascist royal state, we express our commitment to make the peaceful united mass movement reach the point of success by actively participating in the movement.

Date: April 17, 2006

Baburam Bhattarai
Coordinator
Broad National Political Conference Organising Committee
United Revolutionary People&#39;s Council, Nepal

and

Prachanda
Chairman
C.P.N. (Maoist)
& Supreme Commander People&#39;s Liberation Army, Nepal

[Comrade-Z]

Nepal: The Last Stand of a Monarchy (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article359123.ece)


And still the protesters came, refusing to be cowed. "These are not protests any more. This is a revolution," said Harish Dhal, a demonstrator. "We don&#39;t want a monarchy. We want real democracy."


"We are not afraid," said Mr Dhal, a young man who had come into the city from the countryside to demand democracy. "The King is not strong enough to stop us. If he does not give up power, we will march into the centre of Kathmandu and take him from his palace," added Mr Dhal.

Tourists were confined to their hotels as the protests raged. "Death to the King", the demonstrators chanted. "Cut off the heads of Gyanendra and his son."

1789, here we come&#33; :)


The opposition parties that organised the protests are demanding that King Gyanendra gives up the absolute powers he seized last year and restores democracy. But most of the protesters on the streets want to go further, and are calling for the monarchy to be abolished

I really do hope that they roll out the guillotines and obliterate the monarchy, showing no mercy whatsoever. The people of Nepal will be that much ahead of the curve when the possibility of proletarian revolution rolls around (judging from how France turned out).

Of course, the bourgeois press will ***** and moan about "mob terror" in any event, so the Nepalese people might as well go all-the-way with it.

And once again, the masses want to go farther than the leadership of the opposition. Russia 1917, anyone?


Even among the police who were keeping the protesters at bay, there was precious little support for the King. "The police are very tired," said a senior officer commanding the barricades. "Do the police support the King? That is a very difficult question for me to answer. Some do. As for the rest of us, well, you can guess."

Excellent. Once the police and military defect, the monarchy is dead-meat. :D

[Janus]

The king is now trying to end the protests by calling for the opposition to name a prime minister. He even stated that he would return power to the people but gave no date for any elections. He stated that there should be a return to constitutional democracy and multi-party democracy. We&#39;ll see how true he will be to his words.

Nepal king moves to end protests (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4931000.stm)

[Brownfist]

I do not think that the seven-party alliance is going to honor this suggestion. The King has already tried to organize a meeting with the seven-party alliance in which he wanted to suggest something similar, and this was rejected by the SPA. I think that the parties will refuse this suggestion, and reiterate their demand that the King step down completely, and go forward towards the constituent assembly that was agreed upon by the parties and the Maoists. The King is just trying to buy time with these kinds of offers, and actually demonstrates the weakness of the government despite army support.

[Janus]

reiterate their demand that the King step down completely
That&#39;s the least of the Maoists&#39; demands and the king obviously doesn&#39;t want to step down. These gestures really don&#39;t have much substance behind them as you said.

[Cheung Mo]

The new government&#39;s first task ought to the mass-execution of the entire RNA.

[Janus]

Well, Brownfist was right, the opposition parties have rejected the king&#39;s proposals as "too little". They have promised more demonstrations in the future.

Nepal party promises new protests (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4932894.stm)


The new government&#39;s first task ought to the mass-execution of the entire RNA.
Maybe disband it, but a wholesale slaughter is simply quite barbaric.

[Cheung Mo]

hahaha...Gyanendra&#39;s American, Indian, and Chinese backers are pushing the parties to accept this pathetic offer...What a fucking joke...The parties have learned from the failure of 1990 and -- like the Maoists -- realise that building a Parliament atop one of the world&#39;s most rotten foundations will do sweet fuck all to address the political and socioeconomic inequalities that plague Nepal...Accepting this farce of an offer and letting things play out from there will simply take Nepal back nearly 20 years and force Nepal&#39;s people into a perpetual circle of oppression and inequality. THE TIME TO FIGHT IS NOW&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 22 2006, 03:27 AM
THE TIME TO FIGHT IS NOW&#33;&#33;&#33;
Word.

[Brownfist]

It feels good to be right. However, to be honest I think it was pretty predictable considering the fact that they denied to meet with the King to discuss the same issues days earlier. The King saying it on TV was just a ploy to try to get some popular opinion on my side. If the same had happened a year ago it could have gone 50/50. Well I think the King will soon realize that he has to go... I would say that by the end of the summer the king will be gone. Nepal is going to be an exciting place to study for the next few years.

[Severian]

I think it is interesting and significant that the parties are not accepting this deal. Probably reflects the pressure of the mass movement among other things. It doesn&#39;t meet the parties&#39; formal demands - including their call for a constituent assembly - but more importantly the mass movement&#39;s advanced to the point of trying to bring down the regime, not just force concessions from it.

Some sellout deal could still derail this. Consider Burma 1988 for example; mass protests and a general strike against the military regime were clearly on the road to overthrowing it, and the regime was giving ground and making concessions in an effort to save itself. Then a number of opposition politicians, including Aung San Suu Kyi, made a deal with the regime, and called for an end to the protest movement in exchange for promises. A part of the movement stayed in the streets. But with the movement divided, the regime was strong enough to slaughter the rest. And then, of course, it was able to break its promises to the politicians.

In Nepal, as in many places, there is no revolutionary workers&#39; party; without that, all kinds of betrayals and derailments are a tremendous danger.

****


Originally posted by Red Heretic+Jan 25 2006, 02:44 PM--> (Red Heretic &#064; Jan 25 2006, 02:44 PM)The UML and most of the other political forces engaged in covert operations for the king to attempt to crush their largest political opponent, the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist). Many of the worked as spies and informers, and were responsible for the killings of hundreds of people. These spies and informers were put on trial, and the ones that were found guilty were executed.

They were guilty of horrors and unspeakable crimes against the people.[/b]
source (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45294&st=25&#entry1292009759)

but now he claims:


Originally posted by Red [email protected] 18 2006, 10:53 AM

"The CPN(M)/Shining Path did [insert accidental civilian casualty that the party took a self-criticism for, and was solely the action of an individual] so they&#39;re obviously reactionary&#33;"

So Red Heretic has gone from justifying these atrocities against the workers&#39; organizations to denying they ever occurred, except for the accidental acts of a few bad apples. (Which is remarkably like the standard excuse for Abu Ghraib.)

Orwellian: Oceania is at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia, and always has been.

Incidentally, the Militant&#39;s had only a few articles on Nepal, with one or two sentences total against the CPN(Maoist.) And it&#39;s simply a lie for Red Heretic to say that the SWP (the one in the U.S.) doesn&#39;t think a revolution is necessary.

Gotta demonize anyone who disagrees with you though, huh RH? Whether its the CPN(United Marxist-Leninist) or the SWP.

****


Cheung [email protected] 21 2006, 01:29 PM
The new government&#39;s first task ought to the mass-execution of the entire RNA.
And who is going to carry that out? Troll.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Severian+Apr 23 2006, 10:56 PM--> (Severian &#064; Apr 23 2006, 10:56 PM)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25 2006, 02:44 PM
The UML and most of the other political forces engaged in covert operations for the king to attempt to crush their largest political opponent, the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist). Many of the worked as spies and informers, and were responsible for the killings of hundreds of people. These spies and informers were put on trial, and the ones that were found guilty were executed.

They were guilty of horrors and unspeakable crimes against the people.
source (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45294&st=25&#entry1292009759)

but now he claims:


Red [email protected] 18 2006, 10:53 AM

"The CPN(M)/Shining Path did [insert accidental civilian casualty that the party took a self-criticism for, and was solely the action of an individual] so they&#39;re obviously reactionary&#33;"

So Red Heretic has gone from justifying these atrocities against the workers&#39; organizations to denying they ever occurred, except for the accidental acts of a few bad apples. (Which is remarkably like the standard excuse for Abu Ghraib.)

Orwellian: Oceania is at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia, and always has been.

Incidentally, the Militant&#39;s had only a few articles on Nepal, with one or two sentences total against the CPN(Maoist.) And it&#39;s simply a lie for Red Heretic to say that the SWP (the one in the U.S.) doesn&#39;t think a revolution is necessary.

Gotta demonize anyone who disagrees with you though, huh RH? Whether its the CPN(United Marxist-Leninist) or the SWP. [/b]
Way to work that doublespeak and distort reality Sevarian. (EDIT: I removed the word Trotskyite from my attack on Sevarian because I don&#39;t want this to become a sectarian flame fest.)

The quotes are about completely different topics.

The discusses the UML when it was a part of the reactionary state and committed horrors against CPN(M). Things have radically changed since then.

In the second quote I was referring to the really unfortunate mistakes that were made by PLA members, such as the accidental bombing of a civilian bus which (before anyone boarded) was believed that it would carry RNA personel. That wasn&#39;t the case. The party took a strong self-criticism and did everything it could to compensate those families.

[Brownfist]

Severian I think that you are just waiting and hoping for a derailing so that you can be glib about other people&#39;s suffering. I dont care whether you think or not that the CPN(Maoist) is a "revolutionary workers&#39; party", especially since it is obvious you have no clue what Maoism is and material realities in Nepal. The fact is that the 7 party alliance holds, the Maoists have stuck to their side of the bargain. I have consistently reminded you that this is not a working class revolution, this is a new democratic revolution with very different goals and aims. I wish you would stop projcting your own fears and desires onto the Nepalese people, and start listening to what they want. I think it is riduclous that you are so ideologically-driven that you spend every post on the Nepal thread to attacking the current revolution and hoping for its failures. You dont like what is going on in Nepal then dont read or post about it.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 24 2006, 01:01 AM
In the second quote I was referring to the really unfortunate mistakes that were made by PLA members, such as the accidental bombing of a civilian bus which (before anyone boarded) was believed that it would carry RNA personel. That wasn&#39;t the case. The party took a strong self-criticism and did everything it could to compensate those families.
That makes no sense; you were accusing me of carping on accidental mistakes made by some Maoists, but I&#39;ve don&#39;t think I&#39;ve ever said much if anything about that bus bombing. Never in this thread.

So we&#39;re back to justifying rather than denying terror against the working-class movement, then? Under the right conditions, anyway. "Thing have changed radically since then", i.e. that kind of action doesn&#39;t serve the CPN(Maoist)&#39;s ends right now.

Brownfist was right that Prachandra actually criticizes himself more than you are willing to criticize him. He stated the Maoists had "made mistakes" in its relations with the parliamentary opposition parties....oops, we killed you just a little&#33; But still more than you&#39;re willing to admit..

And then while you&#39;re justifying terror against the CPN(UML) et al, Brownfist denounces me for suggesting they might possibly sell out the present mass movement&#33;

If they&#39;re such a trustworthy leadership for the revolution, Brownfist, you must think the Maoist terror against them was even worse than I do&#33;

I&#39;m not predicting and certainly not hoping that a sellout will occur and successfully derail the mass movement; but the danger is real. Anybody whose eyes are open and brain is turned on can see that.

And both Brownfist and Red Heretic: only people who agree with us can post about Nepal&#33; Why are you posting if you don&#39;t agree with us&#33;

Because you don&#39;t have the power to shoot me for it.

And, y&#39;know, I think an accurate understanding of world events is kinda necessary for a communist course of action. Even more: communist politics start with the world.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 07:42 AM
And then while you&#39;re justifying terror against the CPN(UML) et al, Brownfist denounces me for suggesting they might possibly sell out the present mass movement&#33;
There you go again, trying to mish mash the politics of yesterday with the politics of today.

When the CPN(UML) was a part of the reactionary state, and served the interests of imperialism and the king, that was very different from today&#39;s situation where the CPN(UML) is repressed by imperialism and the king, and has come to the proletariat and its vanguard for a way out.

[Brownfist]

The CPN(UML) and the CPN(Maoist) did kill one another&#39;s party members. I think both parties have corrected their lines and with with the seven-party alliance recognized the need for a broad based coalition. The CPN(UML) or any other party will not sell out the revolution for one reason: power. There is a real possibility that the monarchy may be overthrown, so why would any party short-change themselves and accept the monarchy which has been extremely unreliable, especially under King Gyanendra. Parties like the CPN(UML) have recognized, albeit slowly, that the monarchy will always pose a problem and want to get rid of those structures.

As for my disagreements with Red Heretic, he is an ally as are you Severian, in the struggle. I dont agree with everything he says, and I am sure he disagrees with what I have to say. However, this kind of debate is necessary and important for the progress in the movement. I am glad to hear that, "I&#39;m not predicting and certainly not hoping that a sellout will occur and successfully derail the mass movement; but the danger is real." I think that if any party does make any agreement with the King the mass movement will chew that party out during the constituent assembly. Yes I do think that the monarchy&#39;s overthrow is going to happen, the question now is when. Each party knows this and they are going to now ensure that they can get the bigges slice of the pie. I dont think the parties are trustworthy, but one can count on their opportunism and greed.

I personally have seen no evidence of the CPI(Maoist) being against and terrorizing the working class movement. You keep on referring to it, and I would like to see some systematic evidence of it. I dont want anecdotes. The Maoists have been marching in Katmandu with the anti-feudal mass movement in Nepal. Please show me the evidence of such terrorism on the part of the party.

[Brownfist]

Severian I am trying very hard to be civil with you. Now you are insinuating that I would engage in genocidal killings of people I disagree with. What have I said or done to warrant such an accuasation. I actually would like a mod/admin to weigh in on this. I would hardly see that kind of comment as being conducive to a debate. I ask you to please rescind your last edit. All I have said is that you seemed at the time, before some comments in your last post, to want the movement to fail and I suggested that you not follow the movement in Nepal if it irked you so.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 02:02 AM
Severian I am trying very hard to be civil with you.
Really. Is that what civil looks like when you do it? "Severian, if you actually spent some time understanding what working class conciousness was, you would understand what I mean by "a claim to working-class identity". However, just because I know that reading a book would just impede on your time spent reading this online board, I will explain in simple language." That was early on.

I think you&#39;re one of those people who is rude to those who are civil to you. Then when I get rude back, you back off, and claim you want to be civil. This is called "passive-aggressive." Also "kiss up, kick down."

But here&#39;s your evidence of the CPN(Maoists) actions. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=35386&st=0&#entry1291864457) It&#39;s throughout the thread. Many sources.

If you don&#39;t believe that...what "mistakes" do you imagine Prachandra was referring to? What do you imagine Red Heretic is so busy justifying?


I think that if any party does make any agreement with the King the mass movement will chew that party out during the constituent assembly.

Parliamentary cretinism. Political questions in Nepal are being settled in the streets and with arms; it&#39;s very uncertain whether there ever will be a constituent assembly.

Take a look at my Burma example again. That&#39;s a bit of history which has been forgotten; it was all reported in the major media at the time, but now you never hear about Aung Sang Suu Kyi as anything but a hero of democracy. In reality, she helped save the regime when it was in danger.

Needless to say, there was no constituent assembly in Burma.

[Brownfist]

Severian I think that there is a big difference with an attack on your intelligence as compared to your insinuation that I would commit murder or a genocidal killing of people who disagreed with me if I had such power. I have nothing against people being rude with me, but insinuating that I would kill is slander. I can only assume that this is what you consider Maoism to be. If you would like we can do an online education thread on Maoist thought where we go through Maoist theory.

I asked for systematic evidence not anecdotal evidence. You have provided the latter. I would argue that the CPN(Maoist) is not an anti-working class party. Yes, there have been some errors in the political line, but to argue that they are anti-working class is quite silly. Your consistent reference to another thread, which then links to another thread is what Edward Said in his description of Orientalism refers to as "self-referentiality". So by consistently put different threads together you have constructed, what you believe to be, an effective discourse. It is not. I think conflating myself with Red Heretic is silly because we are not the same person, nor do we have the same politics. But I guess you dont see it that way. I am not answerable for Red Heretic&#39;s statements or arguments.

I personally do believe that political upheaval in Nepal is going to lead to the constituent assembly. This is what all the opposition parties have agreed to and so have the mass organizations. I mean it sounds like you believe that there will be mob rule until some dictator takes over and restores order. That is exactly the arguement that the King is making&#33; He is arguing that he is ensuring that Nepal does not remain in a state of disorder. Also, I have seen something similar in Indonesia. I have seen a revolution betrayed in Indonesia when the opposition parties made a deal with Suharto to enable "reformasi". However, the material conditions of that movement was completely different. We cant compare Indonesia to Nepal. Where the Burmese opposition politicians calling for a constituent assembly? Did they have an equivalent to the 12 points agreement? What where the historico-social conditions in which the Burmese example happened? I mean you have just decontextualized both events and have tried to show some commensurability.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 10:36 AM
I asked for systematic evidence not anecdotal evidence. You have provided the latter. I would argue that the CPN(Maoist) is not an anti-working class party. Yes, there have been some errors in the political line, but to argue that they are anti-working class is quite silly. Your consistent reference to another thread, which then links to another thread is what Edward Said in his description of Orientalism refers to as "self-referentiality".
I have provided both anecdotal and systematic evidence. I have linked a thread where I gave about 20 links to news articles, Nepali labor unions and workers&#39; parties, ex-guerillas&#39; statements, the CPN(Maoists) own website, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

There is nothing "self-referential" about that; I am just not going to repost 20 links.

But I&#39;ve gotten used to this reaction; worshippers of any religion believe because they want to believe. You&#39;re not going to even look at, let alone evaluate seriously and with an open mind, any evidence which contradicts your faith in Prachandra Path.


Severian I think that there is a big difference with an attack on your intelligence as compared to your insinuation that I would commit murder or a genocidal killing of people who disagreed with me if I had such power.

Yes, there&#39;s a difference. One is a personal insult, which is against board rules.

The other is a political opinion, an assessment of "Maoism" if you will, which I have a right to hold and express. I didn&#39;t say anything about genocide, incidentally; rather about political repression.

As for why? Those who deny atrocities, in the face of all evidence, usually think they&#39;re justified. (Holocaust deniers are the extreme example.) This is logically contradictory, but psychologically common.

So even though the CPN(Maoist)&#39;s comrades in other countries deny rather than justify their terror against the workers&#39; movement....most of the time...it&#39;s all the same. Some, like Red Heretic, slide seamlessly between denial and justification.

I have to consider, that you&#39;d act the same as your comrades given the opportunity. Fortunately, that&#39;s unlikely to arise.

****

Oh, and actions speak louder than words. It&#39;s the actions of Mao&#39;s regime - and Maoist parties internationally - that are decisive in evaluating "Maoism". To the extent that term even means anything.

Maoist doctrine is in reality neither an ideology nor a theory; it is merely a set of excuses and rationalizations. During Mao&#39;s lifetime, new excuses were generated for every policy zigzag - which were driven by the naked self-interest of the regime. Some of Mao&#39;s works were even re-edited later to conceal his earlier positions. Since his death, different "Maoist" groups have grabbed onto different elements of this inherently self-contradictory set of excuses, all of which have outlived their original purpose.

And of course they further modify their doctrines as their groups evolve, mostly to serve the middle-class interests of their memberships and leaderships. The development of Avakian Thought is a good example.

Just as Christians are the last people to understand the original meaning of the various Biblical texts in their historical contexts, Maoists are the last people to understand the meaning of Maoist "ideology."

So I&#39;ll have to turn down your kind offer to educate me in Maoist theory. Besides, Mao said it was bad to read too many books, even "Marxist" books. If he thought the Red Book was good enough for millions of Chinese peasants, it&#39;ll have to be good enough for me.

[Brownfist]

I am sorry Severian that I seem like the religious zealot. Personally I think you sound the rligious zealot denouncing every other "religion" which does not agree with yours. I have not seen any evidence of systematic killing of the working class by the Maoists. I think that there have been a number of problematic questions in their line and that there have been numerable problems in party discipline, furthermore, specific political actions could have been avoided but we have not seen a systematic attack on the working class. If, the CPN(Maoist) was doing that, then I would be the first to state that they are not a Maoist party.

As for my personal "religion", which you insinuate is Maoism. I have never said that I am a Maoist but I do appreciate Mao&#39;s contribution to Marxist thought. The political assesment you make is slightly decontextualized but does have a pt. to it. Yes, within the Maoist parties there has been an intolerance to new forms of thought etc. however, that is not what Maoism is. Your arguement mirrors the one made by capitalists that communism is a blood-thirsty ideology.

As for Maoist theory. Your answer is a stock euro-communist answer. Contributions to Marxism must only come from white men and women. The application of Marxism to the Third World should dogmatically be one that was advocated by the very white people who do not undertand our historico-social economic particularities. Maoism is the most obvious contribution to Marxist thought from non-Eurocentric Marxists. I have yet to see you mention any other Third World marxist. Maybe you prefer Cabral, Fanon, Nyeyere, Nkrumah, Roy, Ho Chi Minh, Le Duan, D.N. Aidit, Pham Van Dong? I am sure that some of these names ring a bell? Have you read any of their works? Have they influenced you in any way? You remind me of Hannah Arendt&#39;s book entitled "On Violence". In which she bemoans the fact that third world revolutionaries were conducting revolution and she demanded that revolution be led by white people for third world people. Does "The Militant" have any offices or mass following anywhere besides North America? NO&#33; Should we wait for you guys to lead us? NO. Hell if we wait for your band of 10 to lead us, then we should give up on revolution altogether and go home. You keep on pushing your paper and I will keep fighting for third world revolution. We will fight for national liberation and socialism our way. We have the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin etc to theoretically guide us. But we also have the works of Bhattarai, Sison, Majumdar, Bose etc to look at our historical conditions.

As for Avakian. I dont think he is a Maoist. End of story.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

And now the people are.... celebrating in the streets.

[Brownfist]

NWOG the celebration news that you are reading is of tuesday, the day following the prouncement of the king. I did not expect the people not to celebrate. The question comes as to whether wednesday Nepal time, the Maoists will be able to lead a rally in Kathmandu which calls for direct constituent assembly elections. Also, I think we need to recognize that this is only Kathmandu. The Maoists are strongest in the countryside not the city.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 11:00 AM
Personally I think you sound the rligious zealot denouncing every other "religion" which does not agree with yours.
My criterion for opposing the CPN(Maoist) is not ideological. It is a class criterion.


I have not seen any evidence of systematic killing of the working class by the Maoists.

That&#39;s because your eyes are shut.


The political assesment you make is slightly decontextualized but does have a pt. to it. Yes, within the Maoist parties there has been an intolerance to new forms of thought etc. however, that is not what Maoism is.

Of course, that wasn&#39;t my point at all. Learn to read.


As for Maoist theory. Your answer is a stock euro-communist answer. Contributions to Marxism must only come from white men and women.

Ah. A crushing rejoinder. If you don&#39;t like Mao, you must be a racist.

That kind of race-baiting is the last refuge of a scoundrel whose ideas can&#39;t stand on their own merits.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 03:34 AM
I have not seen any evidence of systematic killing of the working class by the Maoists
Maybe not "systematic" but random bombs to enforce strikes are un-justifiable

It is obvious that the Maoists have realised that their control of the rural areas is useless - the true power is held by the workers in the industrial areas. Ten years of guerilla war have yielded little but a short period of resistance and strikes in Kathmandu have brought around a sea-change in Nepalese politics

Maoists do have the support of some of the peasants but hopefully they will never control the workers :)

[Red Heretic]

Way to vomit all over the aspirations of the revolution and the will of the masses Rage Against the Machine.

Tell me, do you support imperialism everywhere (such as in Iraq), or just in Nepal?