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Disciple of Prometheus
12th April 2006, 00:00
"I. Reaction to Death

As previously noted, primitive man's reaction to death was one of fear.

In this enlightened age, man still reacts to death with fear.

Death is still an unknown. No one obviously, has ever died and returned to tell us what death is really like. Man naturally fears what he does not understand and can not control.

The so-called "near-death" experience is still not a death experience. We can never know exactly what death is, so we can never fully understand it.

Therefore we can never stop totally from fearing it.

Much of our response to death is avoidance. Death is not a pleasant topic of conversation. When death must be talked about, it is usually done in academic terms.

Talking about death on a personal level creates discomfort. It is much easier to talk about death in terms of, "People die," rather than in terms of, "Someday I will die."

Within the last 20 years or so, much has been written about death and dying. At times it seemed like everyone who has suffered a loss was writing a book about it.

Each death is unique and therefore each person's experience is unique. That makes much of the material available unusable for another person experiencing a loss through death.

Indeed some of the advice available becomes contradictory simply because each person must deal with their own grief in their own way. "-The Psychology of Death (http://www.wyfda.org/basics_4.html)

I though this would be an interesting topic to bring up considering what a role death has played in the evolving psychology of man, and how said psychology has influenced society and politics. I think the inevitability of death is what drives us to do what we do, and everything seems to be a reactionary mask, to hide this fate.

An example is why do we hide aging? I think yea for aesthetic reasons sure, but also aging is a sign that we are nearing death, so could it also be said that this covering up of age is due to fear that we now have a visible sign of our getting closer to death?

We even try to prolong the longevity of the dead's corpse, why? We dress them up in perfumes, fancy dress, and pump them full of chemicals and solutions to keep them to look "alive," for as long as possible, why? I think it is because we can't handle seeing the reality of death right in front of us, sure we can bare to see someone who looks like they are "just sleeping," but when confronted with long dead bodies, and such, we become instantly horrified beyond belief. This is not a new phenomenon, funeral rites and such, have been performed for ages, no more apparent than the mummies of pharaohs and queens in Egypt.

Any thoughts?

Hegemonicretribution
12th April 2006, 00:13
As far as I am concerned a fear of death makes evolutionary sense, beyond this role it is irrational. Are instincts are a guide when we haven't got reason to rely on, but it is with logic that we better act in most situations. A fear of death is no different. We must realise dangerous situations, and our fear of them, for what they actually are.

Once this is achieved we can see the absurdity of actual fear about death.

Chrysalis
12th April 2006, 02:23
Originally posted by Disciple of [email protected] 11 2006, 11:09 PM

In this enlightened age, man still reacts to death with fear.


True. And I suppose this tells us that human psychology remains the same in all ages: unaffected by modernity or advancement in science, etc. In fact, I think everything humans do speaks against dying. The building of cities and temples and buildings that could last thousands of years. Because we not only tend to think of our own longevity, but also in terms of extending our very own through the succeeding generations. So, I agree with you when you say " Much of our response to death is avoidance".

piet11111
12th April 2006, 12:54
personally i find it comforting that death is unavoidable and a total destruction of myself.
the mere idea of living forever with the memory's only adding to the crap i have been through would be enough to drive me to madness.

fortunatly im very mortal and im happy with it.

redstar2000
12th April 2006, 12:56
"Fear of death" is really not a very sensible view...unless experienced in a situation that is immediately life-threatening.

One of the old Greeks said it best: where I am, death is not; where death is, I am not.

It is the unpleasantness of old age that should be much more frightening...it is experienced and there's no cure!

Another old Greek: those whom the gods love, die young.

Imagine that we had a life-span equal to what exists now (75-80 years) -- but for all but the last year or so, our bodies remained at a physiological age of 25-30...and only the last year or two was "the really bad part" of aging.

Would that not be infinitely preferable to what we have now?

What "life-extension" means now is simply more years of old age. That's no good!

What we need are more "good years"...when we are at the peak of our physical and mental powers.

Achieving this, from a scientific standpoint, is still well in the future...probably a couple of centuries minimum. But when we do achieve it, will "fear of death" still be "a big deal"?

I'm inclined to doubt it.

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JimFar
12th April 2006, 13:06
I would a draw a distinction between the fear of death and the fear of dying. I agree it is irrational to be fearful of death, as such, for the reasons that Epicurus gave more than 2,000 years ago, which restar2000 has quoted in his post. However, fear of dying, particularly dying in a hospital from a prolonged and painful illness is all too rational. And in the United States, at least, there are legal restrictions om the kinds of painkillers that doctors are permitted to administer to dying patients. After all, we wouldn't to see the dying become addicted to narcotics, would we? And doctors can still get in trouble for administering high dosages of painkillers, of that is seen as hastening the death of the patient. As a result, lots of people spend their last days in unspeakable misery, which is quite easily avoided.

American capitalist medicine, at its most humane!

piet11111
12th April 2006, 13:30
fortunatly for the dutch euthanasia is permitted.
its meant for situations where poeple are subjected to unspeakable pain and missery and ask for a humane death over suffering.

Fistful of Steel
15th April 2006, 22:11
Once you accept that you're going to die rather than just avoiding thinking about it or pegging it down to "some day" you can really gain a deeper appreciation for life.

And about euthanasia. If people are free to make our their own decisions, and their life is their own, how can any religious institution or state tell them they have to live? Just seems to me like trying to squeeze all the profit out of people as much as they can.