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Janus
10th April 2006, 22:23
Originally posted by AP
Tens of thousands of immigrants spilled into the streets in dozens of cities across the nation Monday in peaceful protests that some compared to the movements led by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and farm-labor organizer Cesar Chavez.

"People of the world, we have come to say this is our moment," said Rev. James Orange of the Georgia Coalition for the People's Agenda in Atlanta, where police estimated that at least 50,000 people marched Monday morning.

At the Mississippi Capitol, 500 demonstrators sang "We Shall Overcome" in Spanish. In Pittsburgh, protesters gathered outside Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record)'s office to make their voices heard as Congress considers immigration reforms.

Groups in North Carolina and Dallas called for an economic boycott by immigrants to show their financial impact.

The rallies had a noticeable impact on production at Excel Corp. plants in Dodge City, Kan., and Schuyler, Neb., a spokesman for the nation's second largest beef processor said. He said there was a slowdown, but the company had no intention of taking action workers who were gone for the day.

"We assume they will be back at work tomorrow," spokesman Mark Klein said.

Atlanta police estimated that at least 50,000 people, many in white T-shirts and waving American flags, joined a two-mile march from a largely immigrant neighborhood Monday morning.

The protesters had two targets in Georgia: congress members weighing immigration reform and state legislation now awaiting Gov. Sonny Perdue's signature that would require adults seeking many state-administered benefits to prove they are in the U.S. legally.

Nineth Castillo, a 26-year-old waitress from Guatemala who joined the Atlanta march, said she has lived in the United States for 11 years "without a scrap of paper."

Asked whether she was afraid to parade her undocumented status in front of a massive police presence, she laughed and said: "Why? They kick us out, we're coming back tomorrow."

Hundreds of Latinos in North Carolina were called on to skip work or boycott all purchases Monday to demonstrate the financial impact of the Latino community on area businesses.

"We're hoping that employers stop to consider what this is all about," organizer Adriana Galvez said. "That if you need people here to do the work, to buy, then give them a legal channel to get here."

Cruz Luna, his wife and their four children all wore T-shirts reading "God Bless America" at a demonstration in Pensacola, Fla. The two oldest children — ages 8 and 9 — were born in Mexico and are in the U.S. illegally; their younger siblings, ages 4 and 8 months are U.S. citizens.

"We want to send a strong message today, a message that we want the laws to be fair," Luna said.

In Arizona, police estimated that at least 25,000 demonstrators turned out in Phoenix while several thousand others demonstrated in Tucson. Miguel Penate, a fast-food restaurant manager who moved from El Salvador six years ago, said being in the country illegally was his only option.

"There's no way to come legally over here," said Penate, 25. "If there was, do you think people would like to be in the desert risking their lives?"

Yinka Aganga Williams, who moved to the U.S. from Nigeria six years ago, joined a small group of demonstrators who marched to Specter's Pittsburgh office.

"This country was built by immigrants, Pittsburgh in particular," said Williams, 54. "This is supposed to be a land of freedom, that's why they came."

In the Midwest, an estimated 3,000 people demonstrated in Garden City, Kan., a farming community that counts fewer than 30,000 residents. In Champaign, Ill., hundreds of demonstrators marched along a busy street to the University of Illinois campus, carrying signs with slogans such as: "The pilgrims had no green cards."

The demonstrations were mostly peaceful, though in Portland, Maine, one demonstrator clashed with a small group of counter-demonstrators. One of three people carrying signs saying illegal immigrants have no rights was hit in the head.

An event in Harrisburg, Pa., drew a handful of hecklers.

"Go to jail!" shouted William Hazzard, 58, a retired school custodian from Harrisburg. "I'm from Germany and I had to give up my rights as a German citizen. I had to speak English."

Raymond Marks, 47, an apartment complex service manager, held an upside-down American flag as a sign of distress.

"These people are expecting me to give them rights they don't deserve," he said.

Monday's demonstrations followed a weekend of rallies in 10 states that drew up to 500,000 people in Dallas, 50,000 in San Diego, and 20,000 in Salt Lake City. Dozens of rallies and student walkouts, many organized by Spanish-language radio DJ's, have been held in cities from Los Angeles to Chicago to New York over the past two weeks.

Protesters have been urging Congress, whose immigration reform efforts stalled last week, to help the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants settle here legally.

Xavier Suarez, 46, an Ecuadorean immigrant with U.S. citizenship, said others deserve the same right to live and work in America, pay taxes and contribute to society,

"America is a country of dreams. These people have dreams," said Suarez, who demonstrated in Lake Worth, Fla. "They have family back home in their countries and they've been separated for many years. It's only fair that they are allowed to be together again here, and to help keep this country growing."

Tekun
11th April 2006, 02:17
Congress goes on vacation b4 reaching an agreement on the issue of immigration....2 weeks off for easter?? WTF is that all about? Typical bureaucrats

A clear sign of force and unity among the ppl, if this doesn't convince them of our power and strength, the national boycot will

I invite all of our members to support and engage in the national boycot on May 1st
Support the undocumented immigrants in the US

Gryphon
11th April 2006, 06:02
Sorry buddy, this is where you and I differ. I will never support traitors who turns their backs on their own countries to join up with an imperialist country. Its like supporting the thousands of Cuban traitors that do everything to enter the U.S. Che used a term to qualify such traitors, gusanos!! :ph34r:

mzalendo
11th April 2006, 07:06
why we always so blind as to think that being in the jew-nited states is the panacea to all our problems....take it from me,if what america calls the un-civilised world turned its back on them,they would fall on they knees begging....give this world bully a total black-out see if they can survive on they own
[QUOTE]obviously u are mistaken to be desiring west livity

Mujer Libre
11th April 2006, 11:14
Originally posted by Gryphon+Apr 11 2006, 05:11 AM--> (Gryphon @ Apr 11 2006, 05:11 AM) Sorry buddy, this is where you and I differ. I will never support traitors who turns their backs on their own countries to join up with an imperialist country. Its like supporting the thousands of Cuban traitors that do everything to enter the U.S. Che used a term to qualify such traitors, gusanos!! :ph34r: [/b]
Thats an astoundingly ignorant and insensitive post.

These people move to the US out of necessity, not because they're keen to embrace the ideologies of imperialism or capitalism! They move because they want jobs, food and other necessities which they cannot get in their home countries.

To compre them to Cuban defectors is absurd. I mean, on this issue for example, these people are actively opposing the government.


mzalendo
why we always so blind as to think that being in the jew-nited states is the panacea to all our problems....
What exactly do you mean by the "jew-nited states"?

Gryphon
11th April 2006, 16:22
Thats an astoundingly ignorant and insensitive post.


Let me rephrase it: I do not support illegal immigrants, did you ever think of poor american workers (many are our comrades) getting laid off by their expoitative employers because they find it cheaper to hire illegals? I just hope it never happens to you. However, I do not object there coming to the U.S. to find work, but through legal means. I mean, everyone has the right to work, its just unfair to some people who are deprived of that right due to illegal actions. But don't get me wrong, I do not put the blame on illegal immigrants in this issue, its those employers that put profit over social values who hires them.

black magick hustla
11th April 2006, 17:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 05:11 AM
Sorry buddy, this is where you and I differ. I will never support traitors who turns their backs on their own countries to join up with an imperialist country. Its like supporting the thousands of Cuban traitors that do everything to enter the U.S. Che used a term to qualify such traitors, gusanos!! :ph34r:
Yeah buddy, you are in a great position to criticize them, especially when you have a computer with internet and atleast have a nice apartment were to live.


Obviously illegal immigrants who live like shit are supporting imperialism, damn pigs!

I love idiots who while having their face bombarded by air conditioning, rant about people escaping from the third world.


:lol:

Guerrilla22
11th April 2006, 17:16
I noticed FOX News is covering these protest, under the banner "illegals protest" its very ignorant.

Janus
11th April 2006, 23:38
Hundreds of thousands have participated in these protests according to some sources. It seems that the Senate will resume the debate on the immigration issue in two weeks' time. This decision will then have to be reconciled with that of the of the House bill, which is what some are protesting against.


But don't get me wrong, I do not put the blame on illegal immigrants in this issue, its those employers that put profit over social values who hires them.
Right, so if it's the problem is due to the system itself, then why are you opposed to illegal immigrants working in the US?

Gryphon
12th April 2006, 00:12
Right, so if it's the problem is due to the system itself, then why are you opposed to illegal immigrants working in the US?


Not only the system but the bastard empoyers who go behind hard-working workers and hire illegals to replace them because the system turned a blind eye on this. Although, I guess I have to always repeat myself here, I give all my support for immigrants who wants to find work in the U.S. I wouldn't be a leftist if I didn't. I just don't support illegal immigrants. Lets face it, its due to surge of illegal immigrants that the U.S. accepts less and less legal immigrants who also want to have a better life and what might happen in the near future is the U.S. could close the border to immigration. So again, I find it to be unfair to legal workers and to legal immigrants. Should the U.S. increase immigration from other countries? Hell yes! But let it work to the advantage for everyone. The only thing I regret, and for that I apologize, is comparing the illegal immigrants to Cuban defectors.


I love idiots who while having their face bombarded by air conditioning, rant about people escaping from the third world.

No air conitioning, but do you have one? I could use one right now. :P

Mujer Libre
12th April 2006, 08:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 11:21 PM

Right, so if it's the problem is due to the system itself, then why are you opposed to illegal immigrants working in the US?


Not only the system but the bastard empoyers who go behind hard-working workers and hire illegals to replace them because the system turned a blind eye on this. Although, I guess I have to always repeat myself here, I give all my support for immigrants who wants to find work in the U.S. I wouldn't be a leftist if I didn't. I just don't support illegal immigrants. Lets face it, its due to surge of illegal immigrants that the U.S. accepts less and less legal immigrants who also want to have a better life and what might happen in the near future is the U.S. could close the border to immigration. So again, I find it to be unfair to legal workers and to legal immigrants. Should the U.S. increase immigration from other countries? Hell yes! But let it work to the advantage for everyone. The only thing I regret, and for that I apologize, is comparing the illegal immigrants to Cuban defectors.


I love idiots who while having their face bombarded by air conditioning, rant about people escaping from the third world.

No air conitioning, but do you have one? I could use one right now. :P
Do you have any idea how the immigration system of places like the USA works? It's overwhelmingly skewed towards people with money, lots of education and who come from "first world" countries. (It's obvious isn't it, in a capitalist economy?) Therefore, the people we're talking about have little to no chance of migrating legally anyway. By encouraging them to work within the system you're just legitimating it.

Dreckt
12th April 2006, 13:15
Well, building a wall is just too-over the top. Not only do they have to build it (if they actually agree on it) on the broadest part of Mexico, the cost will be in billions. Then people will just find other ways.

What needs to be done is for the employers to be responsible for who they employ. Remember that the jobs are not "taken" by the "illegal immigrants" - they are given to them by the employer. And of course the employer chooses someone who can not complain about exploitation or demonstrate against unfair deals - the company they work for can treat them like slaves. And fire them for any reason.

So instead of stopping people from getting into the US, the ideal plan would be to increase the punishment for those who employ illegals. That way, the immigrants would not "steal" American jobs - why would they go to a country where they won't get jobs unless they are citizens?

But this is just a more logical alternative to building physical walls. Another fact is that the amount of illegals in the US is around 11 million - that's 2 million more than the entire population of my country - and a very significant number to the economy.