Christmas

[Aurora]

Do you guys celebrate Christmas and Easter???
I have recently decided not too because they are obviously Capitalist and religious.
Christmas is just a time when business's can raise their prices a huge amount to steal our hard earned money and so is Easter.

[LSD]

Do you guys celebrate Christmas and Easter???

No, but then I never did.

Considering that my mother is Jewish and my father is Buddhist, though, that's hardly surprising.


Christmas is just a time when business's can raise their prices a huge amount to steal our hard earned money and so is Easter.

Well, that's the nature of capitalism, isn't it.

When a society is based around short-term quarterrly gains and maximizing profits, everything becomes a commodity. Accordingly, it isn't surprising that the bourgeoisie have co-opted pre-capitalist "traditions".

The question of whether or not one should celebtrate Christian rituals, however, is actually even easier than you present it here.

Not only is, say, Easter practically nothing more than a capitalist money-making scheme, but even at its most "pure" form, it is nothing short of reactionary.

Worshiping the "resurrection" of "Christ" and his "salvation" has no room in a materialist mindset. Not only should communists reject outright bourgeois consumerism, but we must also oppose traditionalist notions of "divine relevelation".

Our duty is to teach the working class how to stand on its own, and any belief in a "saviour" can only hurt us in this objective.

"Religious" holidays today are examples of two of the worst social forces in the world today, "faith" and capitalism. So no, a communist has no business getting involved in such shit.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

I do not celebrate them as religious festivals, but the capitalist system gets all my money on loads of other stuff anyway, so I figure where is the hurt buying my kid brother an Easter egg or a DVD.

There is no way not to comply with capitalism unless you go live in a forest. Even bread is a product of capitalism; someone is making a profit out of each loaf.

Bunnies & chocolate are better than Jesus by a mile :lol:

[Everyday Anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 02:16 PM
Do you guys celebrate Christmas and Easter???
I have recently decided not too because they are obviously Capitalist and religious.
Christmas is just a time when business's can raise their prices a huge amount to steal our hard earned money and so is Easter.
>> Do you guys celebrate Christmas and Easter???
Yes, I do. I don't do them with any religious dogma, just as a day of fun and love.

>> I have recently decided not too because they are obviously Capitalist and religious.
Religous? Yes. Capitalist? That's just stupid. Are you implying that Christmas and Easter weren't celebrated before Capitalism? A lot of members here dismiss everything as being 'Capitalist' or 'bourgeois,' which is just ignorance.

>> Christmas is just a time when business's can raise their prices a huge amount to steal our hard earned money and so is Easter.
See my second point. And it's not "just a time when..." It's whatever you make of it. I time when people come together, share gifts, and have fun. Quit acting like its black and white.

[redstar2000]

No, I don't bother.

But I never bothered with "patriotic" holidays either.

During my working years, a holiday was a day off from work...and that was "good enough" for me. I wouldn't have cared if it was National Toe Fungus Day. :lol:

Now that I'm retired, I don't even notice holidays at all...unless the public library is closed. They're all just meaningless crap to me...not even worth the energy of "taking a stand" against them.

Right after "Christmas" is a good time to buy stuff, by the way...they mark the prices of things like computers and clothing down a lot -- which tells you how much they're over-charging people in the run-up to "Jesus's Birthday". :lol:

Those of you poor bastards who take "Easter" really seriously don't want to miss this...

Easter Milk Chocolate Cross Gift Box (http://www.candywarehouse.com/chocolatecross.html)

He is risen...time to PIG OUT! :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif

[chaval]

during christmas time id rather personally celebrate the birth of santa claus than buy into the whole comsumerist crap mascarading under the facade of "season of giving".

Bullshit! season of buying!

and damn them to hell for their easter eggs and candy! have they no shame for taking away the true meaning of easter away from the easter bunny who died for our sins! i mean cmon!!

[which doctor]

I try not to celebrate Christmas. However, people buy me gifts then call me greedy for not giving during the Christmas season. With all this buying for eachother, all we end up with is waste. I don't use most of the stuff I get for Christmas anyways.

[piet11111]

we dont have the cash to go out and buy gifts for one another instead we just throw some euro's on the table and get a really nice meal instead.

christmas itself is nonsense but the cold and darkness of winter (and hopefully snow) somehow adds to the pleasure of eating together with the whole family.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

damn, hahaha you guys are just the epitome of ridiculous, seriously, you dont celebrate christmas because it is a "capitalist thing", guys for real get a life! :rolleyes:

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Originally posted by Oh-Dae-[email protected] 9 2006, 05:41 AM
damn, hahaha you guys are just the epitome of ridiculous, seriously, you dont celebrate christmas because it is a "capitalist thing", guys for real get a life! :rolleyes:
If we didn't celebrate it because religion is scam, would it make you feel better? Do you laugh at everyone who doesn't believe what you do?

I celebrate Christmas as a family holiday and participate in all the gift crap. I find it fun. When I get older, I expect I will attempt to give gifts that can be used collectively rather than individually.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

If we didn't celebrate it because religion is scam, would it make you feel better?

if you dont celebrate christmas because your jewish and you celebrate Hunnaka or you clebrate Kwanzaa, great you have a motive....but because it's "capitalist", wtf!! seriously that's pretty extreme, thats why i said GET A FUCKING LIFE!!! peope!!

to tell you the truth, i don't "celebrate" any holiday, except my birthday, and of course the 31st of December, New Years. I don't give a fuck about christmas , but it's because i really don't, it's not because it's UHHHHH CAPITALIST!! and your giving your money to HUGE IMPERIALIST COMPANIES!! :rolleyes: c'mon can you sound any more ridiculous?

[VonClausewitz]

I wouldn't expect any TRVE HARDCORE red to celebrate any holiday or whatever, unless it was something cooked up by commies. I know communist /lefty people, they're my friends, but when they come round giving me all the happy christmas crap, I laugh very loudly and proclaim them guilty of hypocrisy.

You could also look back into their original purposes, like some other friends like to, so that then you aren't perpetuating the legacy of everyone's favourite carpenter, you're celebrating something to do with nature, though I reaaallly don't understand it.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 02:23 PM
You could also look back into their original purposes, like some other friends like to, so that then you aren't perpetuating the legacy of everyone's favourite carpenter, you're celebrating something to do with nature, though I reaaallly don't understand it.
I think you are referring to the pagan holiday meant to worship the goddess Eostre. Which Christianity adapted to make it easier for the fresh ex-pagan converts.

[Cult of Reason]

Getting stuff for other people is one of the worst things ever. Even getting a really good present every once in a while does not make up for it. Overall a negative.

At least noone in my family actually cares about the religious stuff.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

Getting stuff for other people is one of the worst things ever. Even getting a really good present every once in a while does not make up for it. Overall a negative.

At least noone in my family actually cares about the religious stuff.

so giving people presents is "one of the worst things ever"? could you explain on that? :blink: and it does not "make up" for what? :blink: "over all a negative? wtf?

and nobody in your family gives presents because it's a "religious stuff"? so what does that mean? you don't get presents in your birthday because it is celebrated in the gregorian calendar? :rolleyes: wtf

[violencia.Proletariat]

I think these holidays will eventually be for upper class people only based on a fincial basis. Last christmas I'd continually here of people going in debt for months after christmas because of buying presents. It's just too damn expensive. I have yet to know a christian who makes jesus the center of their christmas actions :lol:

[Cult of Reason]

so giving people presents is "one of the worst things ever"? could you explain on that?

That is not what I said. I said getting the stuff. As in going to the shops and buying things for people. It is absolutely awful.


and it does not "make up" for what?

The previous sentence.


"over all a negative? wtf?

Christmas, that is.

Is basic English grammar alien to you?


and nobody in your family gives presents because it's a "religious stuff"? so what does that mean? you don't get presents in your birthday because it is celebrated in the gregorian calendar? rolleyes.gif wtf

Again it seems you have a basic difficulty with the English language. I said that at least noone in my family cared about Christmas' religious aspect.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 05:23 PM
I know communist /lefty people, they're my friends, but when they come round giving me all the happy christmas crap, I laugh very loudly and proclaim them guilty of hypocrisy.
Maybe they are christians.



I don't "celebrate" those days. I act as if it is a normal day (excepting that you don't have to work or study).

[chaval]

couldnt we say that christmas has deviated so much from its original purpose that it is as much as a secular holiday of giftgiving and about friendship and thanksgiving or whatever than as it is about the birth of jesus? regardless of the holiday's origin?

hell i bet new years came from some pagan holiday celebrating rebirth of the year or somethign like that. who cares? maybe even birthdays had some sort of mystical association to them once upon a time? give it enoguh time and no one will know that christmas was about a Jew born in Bethlehem