John Paul II 'on fast-track' to sainthood

[The Living Red]

I heard on the news on the anniversary of the last Pontiff's death that the current Pope has already placed John Paul II 'on the fast-track' to being a saint.

I feel very strongly that he should not be canonized. I know that since most of us on the board are atheists (including myself), it shouldn't bother us.

But I just find it terrible that this man is going to be given one of the most prestigious titles in the world. Just imagine the pain of those who have suffered because of him felt as they watched him ridiculously glorified last year. This title will reinforce his glorification and it will be a huge insult for those largely ignored people.

Many of you may think I am being over-dramatic and/or naive, and you're probably right, but as I said this all worries me greatly. Do you think there is anything that could possibly be done to try to prevent John Paul II's likely canonization?

If anyone could suggest any way to petition or raise awareness, that would be great. Thank you, comrades.

[amanondeathrow]

I highly doubt the Catholic Church will be willing to take advice from a group of atheists, let alone admit the errors of one of the last century’s most popular Catholic leaders.

If he is canonized it will make little difference in the future and will change no one's opinion.

Regardless, it should not matter to us what the Catholic church does inside its walls, it just wastes our time.

[redstar2000]

Well, if we could produce the authentic text of his "pact with the Devil" complete with his signature, that might be a "deal-killer". :lol:

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[Seven Stars]

How did people suffer under John Paul II?

All they did was, remove the 5 year waiting period before then begin investigating. John Paul II did this with Mother Teresa.

[Cheung Mo]

One problem: Supernatural beings are about as real as Chinese socialism.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 04:09 PM
How did people suffer under John Paul II?
One word: Poland! :angry:

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[kingbee]

Could you expand?

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 09:09 PM
How did people suffer under John Paul II?
How about his suggestion that the best way to fight AIDS is not condoms, but rather telling people to repress their sexual urges? Making AIDS-infected Africans afraid of contraceptives has certainly caused a lot of needless suffering.

[More Fire for the People]

John Paul II was never on the 'fast-track' towards anything. I believe shortly before his death he pardoned the Greek Orthodox church over some six hundred year old grievance.

[Ian]

Pope's Legacy (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=48138)


I don't really care if they make him a Saint or not, just means there's one more religious ikon I don't care about.

[Seven Stars]

Originally posted by sennomulo+Apr 5 2006, 11:19 PM--> (sennomulo @ Apr 5 2006, 11:19 PM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 09:09 PM
How did people suffer under John Paul II?
How about his suggestion that the best way to fight AIDS is not condoms, but rather telling people to repress their sexual urges? Making AIDS-infected Africans afraid of contraceptives has certainly caused a lot of needless suffering. [/b]
The blame for that would lie on Pope Paul VI.

[Ian]

Well, initially I guess, but then John Paul allowed that prohibition to exist throughout his time as pope so he's equally responsible, as will be Ratzinger

[cyu]

How did people suffer under John Paul II?

He opposed liberation theology and thus tried to prevent clergy from supporting communist/socialist causes throughout Latin America. True, he was no great friend of capitalism, but he didn't do nearly as much against it as he should have, considering how much of his flock is poor.

And since nearly all the cardinals were appointed by him, it doesn't seem liberation theology has much of a chance in mainstream Catholicism, at least not at the highest levels in the near future. No doubt it will continue to be a factor in the base communities, even without official support.

[Disciple of Prometheus]

I don't really see what the big deal is about "sainthood," I mean John Paul II, made countless people saints, so it doesn't seem like it takes much to become a saint, just hope you had two supposed miracles in your life time, and boom! Instant sainthood. Nor do I feel like being a saint is any prestigious titles, I mean who is really going to know other than catholics in the next 100 years? No one, he will become just another name in their history books, which only a few people will know. Furthermore why does such a title have any real meaning in the first place? Miracles are done by people who can sell "snake oil," the best, and fool people into believing they have divine powers, so to me saints are nothing more than really good con-men.

[Seven Stars]

Becoming a Saint is a long process, that in some cases can take over 100 years. The miracles that are investigated, have to be approved by not only theologians but doctors aswell.

I disagree with a lot what the vatican has done, but even with all his faults, John Paul II was a great man.

[amanondeathrow]

Irish_Republican

I disagree with a lot what the vatican has done, but even with all his faults, John Paul II was a great man.

If you disagree with the Vatican’s faults, then it is safe to say that, logically, you disagree with almost everything it has said or done.

John Paul has done nothing positive for humanity worth remembering besides a few speeches in favor of human rights.

Talk that is not backed up by actions does not make some one "great", I challenge you to list a few things he has done to benefit humanity, beyond "giving hope" or any other bull shit.

[Cheung Mo]

John Paul II Strengths:

Opposed Stalinism
Opposed the death penalty
Opposed American imperialism

Weaknesses:

Response to AIDS crisis reactionary and dangerous

Extreme homophobia

Extreme misogyny

Opposed Stalinism but has little trouble with equally disgusting Ultramontanist theocracy

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Irish_Republican
John Paul II was a great man.

He was a turd!

It's a necessary qualification for the job. :angry:

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[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 7 2006, 05:02 AM
Opposed Stalinism
Opposed communism. Old JP didn't make a distinction.

[Axel1917]

This article is a bit old, but it makes a very good point on the subject at hand. See:

http://www.marxist.com/Europe/wojtyla_and_teresa.html

[Enver_Hoxha]

We live in a world of fools that believe among many fucking stupidities even in saint people. Who the fuck makes them saint? Vatican makes them saint and people start to pray to them to find the salvation through him to God.

Making people Saint is the greatest bullshit ever. I do not believe in any religion. Catholic denomination so fucking funny and prime source of fascism.