Noooo! Anti-Flag on MTV!

[Edelweiss]

Shit, just saw Anti-Flag being played on fucking MTV! After some Googleing I realized that they indeed signed a major deal with RCA.

I'm pretty much against this "holy punk" attitude which says that a punk isn't punk anymore when it's commercially succesful, but still I was shocked seeing them on MTV.

Spare me with "anti-flag always sucked" comments though, they STILL rock!

[Don't Change Your Name]

anti-flag always sucked

[YKTMX]

I'm going to see them when they play in Glasgow in June, I think.

I think they're great.

The question of who releases their albums doesn't interest me in the slightest.

[Lord Testicles]

I like a few of theyre songs, and im okay with people signing commercial deals to sell there albums but MTV is the lowest of the low.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 5 2006, 02:59 PM
anti-flag always sucked
I second this.

[Gunman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 12:15 AM
I'm pretty much against this "holy punk" attitude which says that a punk isn't punk anymore when it's commercially succesful.
I´m pretty much on favor of that "holy punk" attitude.

[FatFreeMilk]

I hope you're not gonna stop listening to them because of this. Yeah it sucks when an artist you totally enjoy goes mainstream but what can you do. I thought they've been being played on MTV? Whatever, I still like them.

[More Fire for the People]

On the plus side, I finally get to listen to Anti-Flag.

[which doctor]

Malte, why were you watching MTV in the first place?

[anomaly]

Which song was being played on MTV?

But, it could be a good thing. Always good to spread the anti-war, anti-Bush message.

[LoneRed]

anti-flag is still good, they never failed to be so

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 6 2006, 03:35 AM
Malte, why were you watching MTV in the first place?
hehe, good question. I was zapping actutally, and just saw the end of the song.

[Commie Rat]

That sucks major, and i just learnt the Protest song

fuck

i hate you MTV, why do you ruin everything. I am fully for the holy punk ways, fuck people doing shit because they want to be cool.

[Gunman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 02:24 AM
I hope you're not gonna stop listening to them because of this. Yeah it sucks when an artist you totally enjoy goes mainstream but what can you do. I thought they've been being played on MTV? Whatever, I still like them.
I like some of their songs, but it´s just it. No big love for them from me. But they´ve lost the respect I had for them.

It´s not the fact that they went "mainstream" (hell, if it was for the music to be more widespread, I would be totally for it), but the fact that they are being played on MTV. It´s totally agaisnt the punk ethos (not to mention their own!), and most likely, they´re going to turn into another Green Day and "soften" their music. :ph34r:

[which doctor]

They just encourage the attitude that it's hip to be anti-war and anti-Bush.

[Gunman]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 6 2006, 09:21 PM
They just encourage the attitude that it's hip to be anti-war and anti-Bush.
Exactly my thoughts.

[Janus]

Did you think that even Anti-Flag could resist the divine tempations of MTV and bringing their music into the homes of countless teens :lol: ?

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Malte+Apr 6 2006, 04:23 AM--> (Malte @ Apr 6 2006, 04:23 AM)
Fist of [email protected] 6 2006, 03:35 AM
Malte, why were you watching MTV in the first place?
hehe, good question. I was zapping actutally, and just saw the end of the song. [/b]
Riiiiiiight... :P

[RebelOutcast]

Originally posted by CCCPneubauten+Apr 5 2006, 05:22 PM--> (CCCPneubauten @ Apr 5 2006, 05:22 PM)
El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 5 2006, 02:59 PM
anti-flag always sucked
I second this. [/b]
I also agree with this and wish further the motion to all punk music.

[Clarksist]

Damn... I just started getting into them. I REALLY like the song "Fuck the Flag" and "Consumer's Song"... they are a good good punk band.

I guess them going to MTV is gonna be a good/bad thing. Its gonna be good because some people will get the message. Bad because now there will be even more douchebags wearing Che T-Shirts who just saw it on a band during a music video.

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 12:15 AM
Shit, just saw Anti-Flag being played on fucking MTV! After some Googleing I realized that they indeed signed a major deal with RCA.

I'm pretty much against this "holy punk" attitude which says that a punk isn't punk anymore when it's commercially succesful, but still I was shocked seeing them on MTV.

Spare me with "anti-flag always sucked" comments though, they STILL rock!
Not to be a snob or anything, but the band really does lose it's 'punk' credibility when they start marketing their image and fame to sell records for industry giants. Especially considering the whole DIY ethos which defines the punk rock movement even more than the band's sound itself.

[thoughtcrime]

I don't like Anti-Flag. They're posers. I bet they don't mean any of what they sing. You gotta die for your government! What did they ever try to do to stop that.

Maybe went on a "Rock against bush" cd... wow! that changed things...

Anti-Flag sucks!
and they add to it by selling their image around and saying "yeh we're punk! look at my ripped pants! I'm cool now! I hate everything!" they need to read a book or something... If they just played their music, and someone noticed them - that's all right. But trying to profit on how they dress and what they say is just wrong! there are hundreds of thousands people around the world who think the same and dress punk and actually live punk, but I don't see them makin money on that...

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:58 PM
I don't like Anti-Flag. They're posers. I bet they don't mean any of what they sing. You gotta die for your government! What did they ever try to do to stop that.
Ever heard of Military Free Zone? (http://www.militaryfreezone.org/)


Anti-Flag sucks!
Wrong, if purely from a musical perspective anyway


and they add to it by selling their image around and saying "yeh we're punk! look at my ripped pants! I'm cool now! I hate everything!" they need to read a book or something... If they just played their music, and someone noticed them - that's all right. But trying to profit on how they dress and what they say is just wrong! there are hundreds of thousands people around the world who think the same and dress punk and actually live punk, but I don't see them makin money on that..
Consecutive news flashes for your personal benefit! :)

1) We live in a Capitalist society

2) Cultural norms are defined by what makes the most money

3) Anti-Flag are a rock band, not a political group

4) Reading a book doesn't make you smart - and your opinion that being intellectual makes one superior to others is anti-Proletarian

[thoughtcrime]

Originally posted by "Rage Against The Machine"+--> ("Rage Against The Machine")

"thoughtcrime"

Anti-Flag sucks!
Wrong, if purely from a musical perspective anyway[/b]

You can't say it's wrong. Because it is your opinion that they are good, and mine is taht they are bad. So you can't just say my preference is wrong. De gustibus non es disputandum.

1) Yes, I know that... but if they are against the current govt. and maybe the political system they don't have to be hypocrits. (I don't know whether Anti-Flag is anti-capitalist)

2) ok

3) Yes, I can see that. But they cannot portray themselves as activists and ultra-punks if they aren't.

4) I wasn't saying books make you smarter. I was just suggesting a different past-time activity for them, because obviously they can't produce music... (but again, that's my opinion.)


But I'll stop saying that Anti-Flag suck, because it is pointless... that's my opinion, you have yours and that's it... nothing I say will make you change your musical preference so I'm just wasting time typing this. :P


P.S. I didn't know about militaryfreezone.org...

[Honggweilo]

They did translate El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido! after one of their shows and they handed out nelson mandela button :P. Im not a big fan but i don't see them as posers...

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 6 2006, 09:12 PM
They just encourage the attitude that it's hip to be anti-war and anti-Bush.
I don't see how this could be anything other than a good thing...

Anyway, I seen them tonight (just back!).

They were brilliant. Totally cool and they didn't lay the politics on thick, but it was clear what they meant!



:D

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by RebelOutcast+Apr 7 2006, 10:17 PM--> (RebelOutcast @ Apr 7 2006, 10:17 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 05:22 PM

El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 5 2006, 02:59 PM
anti-flag always sucked
I second this.
I also agree with this and wish further the motion to all punk music. [/b]
I never listened to them really, don't own any of their stuff, if they were on the local college station I wouldn't have turned them off though.

And I wish to further the motion that "RebelOutcast" is a dickhead for discounting an entire genre of music, for which he/she obviously knows nothing about. If he/she admits to being wrong on this matter then I will gladly withdraw the dickhead charge.

[LoneRed]

:lol: :lol: I agree with celtopunk

[commie anarchist rebel]

personaly although mtv suck monkey balls i think its good that a band like anti-flag is on it becauz it gets kids into them, im just sota getting into anti-flag and for the most part there songs have a good political message to em, they're taking down capitalism from the inside is the way i see it. plus i think it would be good if mtv finaly played some good music for a change. and anyone who says that once a punk band get on a major lable they are no longer punk, you are wrong i mean look at the clash they made it on a major lable and they're the greatest punk band to rock the earth.

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 6 2006, 05:12 PM
They just encourage the attitude that it's hip to be anti-war and anti-Bush.
Exactly, and the punkvoter "vote Democrat" bullshit seems to follow along that line.

[Pawn Power]

When I saw them the summer before the 2004 US election they did a whole thing on getting the "youth vote out." They told the crowed to vote out bush and then during the next election vote our kerry and then vote out the next president. I don't really understand the logic of voting for someone you will vote out in four years...perpetually voting out the incumbant to settle on another future asshole incumbant doesn't seem to get us anywhere.
Anyway their set was shit.

[Scott Commerce]

They've been on Warped Tour, which is MTV lite.

Being mainstreem doesn't make you less punk, it makes you less underground.

Iggy Pop was pretty popular, and he's the Godfather of Punk.

What makes you less punk is when you start doing it for the money and not the music/message.

[LoneRed]

Originally posted by commie anarchist [email protected] 20 2006, 01:27 AM
personaly although mtv suck monkey balls i think its good that a band like anti-flag is on it becauz it gets kids into them, im just sota getting into anti-flag and for the most part there songs have a good political message to em, they're taking down capitalism from the inside is the way i see it. plus i think it would be good if mtv finaly played some good music for a change. and anyone who says that once a punk band get on a major lable they are no longer punk, you are wrong i mean look at the clash they made it on a major lable and they're the greatest punk band to rock the earth.
I second that last statement, I mean just look at my ig :blush:

[Palmares]

I remember when an American anarchist friend of mine told me about footage of an Anti-Flag concert: it was them playing "Die for your government" surrounded by all the big corporate sponsors of the gig.

DIY punk all the way.

Sellouts like these are comparable to reformists. Are we fans of the Labor/Labour party/ies now?

[Pawn Power]

Sellouts like these are comparable to reformists. Are we fans of the Labor/Labour party/ies now?

HELL NO!?

Yeah, seriously its all true. Corporate sponsorings all over the place.

[bolshevik butcher]

Just to say the clash were on a big lable too so are we all gonna disown them as unpunk as well?

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+May 23 2006, 07:47 AM--> (Clenched Fist @ May 23 2006, 07:47 AM) Just to say the clash were on a big lable too so are we all gonna disown them as unpunk as well? [/b]
Haven't you heard the CRASS song "Punk is Dead"?


CRASS
"You can stuff their [The Clash] punk credentials, its them that take the cash."

Now I just need someone to slag me for using the "CRASS card", me being a punk "fascist" and all...

[bolshevik butcher]

Punk is dead is a good song actually, in some ways but I don't think being on a major alble is bad if you can keep your message solid and not sacrafice any politics.

[socialistpunk]

Exactly Rage Against the Machine can still do that on a major label and keep there message strong ;)

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 24 2006, 12:28 PM
Punk is dead is a good song actually
Everything Crass did was horrible proto-crust punk, there's no use pretending otherwise

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution+May 25 2006, 03:33 AM--> (Permanent Revolution @ May 25 2006, 03:33 AM)
Clenched [email protected] 24 2006, 12:28 PM
Punk is dead is a good song actually
Everything Crass did was horrible proto-crust punk, there's no use pretending otherwise [/b]
What the fuck does that actually mean? Anarcho-punk was the evolutionary step before crust sure, but what the fuck does that have to do with CRASS being good or not? Noone's pretending anything.

Though, using the word "proto-crust punk" as a premise of an argument without any substance to the arguement, is certainly pretentious to me.

And if you want to touch on this issue more, the reason this evolutionary link is there is because they are the only forms of punk they haven't sold out (minus maybe Propagandhi, who are like the only politically decent pop-punk band).

In regards to RATM and being on a major label, unitl a revolution has come from giving those corporations money, I think "selling revolution" is misguided.

But hey, I think RATM are ok.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Cthenthar+May 25 2006, 12:18 PM--> (Cthenthar @ May 25 2006, 12:18 PM)
Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 25 2006, 03:33 AM

Clenched [email protected] 24 2006, 12:28 PM
Punk is dead is a good song actually
Everything Crass did was horrible proto-crust punk, there's no use pretending otherwise
What the fuck does that actually mean? Anarcho-punk was the evolutionary step before crust sure, but what the fuck does that have to do with CRASS being good or not? Noone's pretending anything.

Though, using the word "proto-crust punk" as a premise of an argument without any substance to the arguement, is certainly pretentious to me.

And if you want to touch on this issue more, the reason this evolutionary link is there is because they are the only forms of punk they haven't sold out (minus maybe Propagandhi, who are like the only politically decent pop-punk band).

In regards to RATM and being on a major label, unitl a revolution has come from giving those corporations money, I think "selling revolution" is misguided.

But hey, I think RATM are ok. [/b]
Yada-yada-yada

This doesn't change the fact that Crass made horrible music which laid the groundwork for even shittier bands like Aus Rotten

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 26 2006, 12:18 AM
Yada-yada-yada

This doesn't change the fact that Crass made horrible music which laid the groundwork for even shittier bands like Aus Rotten
The arguments on this site are getting ever so bad.

You can't possibly think your response hear has even remotely addressed what I said, can you? It's absolute dribble.

Now I wish I knew what your last username was so I could remember which spammer you were.

Thanks for wasting my time. <_<

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I thought about listening to For Blood and Empire last night, but I decided to masturbate and go to sleep. Then I woke up at noon, had a toaster struddle and some moutain dew and listened to Mr. Bungle.

ah, summer

[The Grey Blur]

You can&#39;t possibly think your response hear has even remotely addressed what I said, can you?
How can I respond? It&#39;s your opinion that Crass were a decent band, I think they were untalented, annoying but at the same time enthusiastic enough in their politics that they are listenable

If you have a problem with others voicing their opinions just say so

[Palmares]

Sure, but you didn&#39;t simply say that you personally didn&#39;t like them, you said they were crap due to being "proto crust-punk" or whatever, and thus saying that thus both anarcho/peace-punk and crustpunk is crap.

I like these genres, and didn&#39;t see any reason as to why you thought that they were crap. Not to mention the band CRASS itself.

You can have your opinion, but it really doesn&#39;t amount to much if you can&#39;t justify it and defend it.

[RebelOutcast]

Originally posted by celtopunk+May 11 2006, 11:51 PM--> (celtopunk @ May 11 2006, 11:51 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 05:22 PM

El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 5 2006, 02:59 PM
anti-flag always sucked
I second this.
I also agree with this and wish further the motion to all punk music.
I never listened to them really, don&#39;t own any of their stuff, if they were on the local college station I wouldn&#39;t have turned them off though.

And I wish to further the motion that "Rebel Outcast" is a dickhead for discounting an entire genre of music, for which he/she obviously knows nothing about. If he/she admits to being wrong on this matter then I will gladly withdraw the dickhead charge. [/b]
Hmm, it&#39;s still my opinion that punk sucks, but that is just my opinion. The reason for it is the "fuck you all", "I don&#39;t care" abrasive attitude that lots of punk music seems to emit, I&#39;m not saying you have to agree with it, as it is your right not too.