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CLOCKWORK ORANGE
4th April 2006, 06:39
Here's a list of actual Hindu writings from their text advocating rape, sexism, and just plain savagery.

Hinduism

In the Brhadārankyaka Upanishad scripture(advocating rape):Surely, a woman who has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period is the most auspicious of women. When she has changed her clothes at the end of her menstrual period, therefore, one should approach that splendid woman and invite her to have sex. Should she refuse to consent, he should bribe her. If she still refuses, he should beat her with a stick or with his fists and overpower her, saying: “I take away the splendor from you with my virility and splendor (6.4.9,21).


In Dharmasastra, which is a Hindu moral and legal text(all women are whores):Good looks do not matter to them, nor do they care about youth; 'A man!' they say, and enjoy sex with him, whether he is good-looking or ugly. By running after men like whores, by their fickle minds, and by their naturallack of affection these women are unfaithful to their husbands even when they are zealously guarded here. Knowing that their very own nature is like this, as it was born at the creation by the Lord of Creatures (Prajapati), a man should make the utmost effort to guard them. The bed and the seat, jewellery, lust, anger, crookedness, a malicious nature, and bad conduct are what Manu assigned to women. There is no ritual with Vedic verses for women; this is a firmly established point of law. For women, who have no virile strength, and no Vedic verses, are falsehood; this is well established. Manusmrti 9:14-18.


In Dharmasastra(women need to be kept under control)Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. -- Manusmrti 9:2-4.


In the Vedas:"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' -- Rig Veda 8:33:17.


In the Purunas(Hindu Gods Rape Gautama's wife)Formerly the gods lusted for Gautama's wife and raped her, for their wits were destroyed by lust. Then they were terrified and went to the sage Durvasas [an incarnation of Siva], who said, 'I will remove all your defilements with the Satarudriya Mantra [an ancient Saiva prayer].' Then he gave them ashes which they smeared upon their bodies, and their sins were shaken off. -- Padma Purana 4:101:174-9.


In the Smriti(Lord Rama's mom has sex with a horse 'all night long' to cleanse sins):The prescribed victims -- snakes, birds, the horse, and aquatic animals -- were bound at the place of immolation; each was dedicated to a specific divinity as is set forth in the ritual texts. The priests then bound them all to the posts in the manner set forth in the ritual texts. Three hundred beasts in addition to Dasaratha's jewel of a horse were bound there to the sacrificial posts. Kausalya (Rama's mom) walked reverently all around the horse and then with the greatest joy cut it with three knives. Her mind unwavering in her desire for righteousness, Kausalya (Rama's mom) passed one night with the horse. The priests -- the hotr, the adhvaryu, and the udgatr -- saw to it that the second and the juniormost of the king's wives, as well as his chief queen, were united with the horse. Then the officiating priest, who was extremely adept and held his senses in check, removed the fat of the horse and cooked it in the manner prescribed in the ritual texts. At the proper time and in accordance with the ritual prescriptions, the lord of men then sniffed the fragrance of the smoking fat, thereby freeing himself from sin. Then, acting in unison, the sixteen brahman officiating priests threw the limbs of the horse into the fire, in accordance with the ritualinjunctions. In other sacrifices, the oblation is offered upon branches of the plaksa tree, but in the Horse Sacrifice alone the apportionment of the victim is made on a bed of reeds. The Horse Sacrifice is known as the Three-Day Rite; for both the kalpasutra and the brahmanas refer to the Horse Sacrifice as a rite lasting for three days. -- Ramayana 1:13:24-33.


In the Smriti(method of turning women back to virgins):"A woman who has been unchaste should worship Siva in his calm aspect, Siva who is Kama. Then she should summon a Brahmin and give herself to him, thinking, 'This is Kama who has come for the sake of sexual pleasure.' Andwhatever the Brahmin wishes, the sensuous woman should do. For thirteen months she should honour in this way any Brahmin who comes to the house for the sake of sexual pleasures, and there is no immorality in this for noble ladies or prostitutes." -- Matsya Purana 70:40-60; cf. Mahabharata III:2:23.

Dealing with Hindu Herectics (http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/hindu/hindu_heretics.html)

^ Go there for a ton of more controversial Hindu texts.

Black Dagger
4th April 2006, 09:37
Yeah those hindus really are "savages" aren't they? :rolleyes:

Whilst i'm sure there's plenty of dubious content in hindu texts, you should use a better source than this. The site you linked is written from a muslim anti-hindu perspective, and such is extremely biased, i mean the page is designed for muslims who wish to slam 'hindu heretics':


Originally posted by from the site you linked
Do not proceed if you are not accustomed to adult content. The following information is highly offensive. These verses are to be used ONLY when Hindus attack you with false, offensive and sex-oriented and unverified information about Islam, Muslims or the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Do not unnecessarily hurt anyone with this information. Use it ONLY when handling bigots. God has said in the Holy Quran that He does not love transgressors. We are not to be the instigators of violence. Use these as a weapon only when you are on the defensive and Hindus have crossed the line.

redstar2000
4th April 2006, 14:14
Yeah, it's an Islamicist site...which can only make one wonder how accurate the quotes from Hindu scriptures might be.

It hammers the Christians quite well and even rejoices in the decline of Christianity both in Palestine and in Europe.

But Islam "the modern religion"? :lol:

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CLOCKWORK ORANGE
4th April 2006, 15:00
Does it really matter? Am not looking for a muslim opinion. Am looking for the exact texts. These texts are true.

Zak
4th April 2006, 15:26
Originally posted by CLOCKWORK [email protected] 4 2006, 02:09 PM
Does it really matter? Am not looking for a muslim opinion. Am looking for the exact texts. These texts are true.
What they are saying is that if you want to discredit hinu's you should find a site with a neutral point of view. Im sure we could find out what Regan has to say about the left, but it wouldn't be fair testimony.

TC
4th April 2006, 16:41
I think unless your an atheistic religious scholar and/or able and willing to read the origional texts untranslated, its very hard to know exactly what says what because all of these texts have been retranscribed and retranslated through so many different additions, often for political motivations, just like in the christian texts (which are not nearly as bad in the greek as they are in many english translations).

redstar2000
4th April 2006, 21:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:50 AM
I think unless you're an atheistic religious scholar and/or able and willing to read the origional texts untranslated, it's very hard to know exactly what says what because all of these texts have been retranscribed and retranslated through so many different additions, often for political motivations, just like in the Christian texts (which are not nearly as bad in the Greek as they are in many English translations).
I recommend the Anchor Bible (http://www.randomhousedirect.com/anchorbible/getdyndata.php?page=/index.html) as far and away the most scholarly available translation. It is too expensive for most people to purchase, but any large public library should have it.

Someday, I expect, an even more skeptical version of the Anchor Bible will be the only version available...all the other versions will go "out of print" or be "pulped".

It happens from time to time here that defenders of some particularly outrageous "holy words" will take refuge in "bad translation"...as if we would understand a different meaning if we had access to a "really good" translation.

In fact, I've even seen Maoists claim that some of the Chairman's "holy words" have been grossly mistranslated into western languages. :o

Possible, I suppose.

But it seems to me that gross mistranslations must be extremely rare...because there's a financial incentive to rush into print with a "better translation".

Ancient texts are always "problematic" to some extent...we lack the cultural apparatus of the author -- the stuff "that everybody knew" so it "didn't have to be explicitly written down".

Imagine someone 10 or 20 centuries from now trying to figure out a precise equivalent in their language for "fucktard". :lol:

On the topic of this particular thread, I would like to see those embarrassing passages come from a pro-Hindu site...and explicitly pointed out as "the words of the gods" not to be messed with by mortals. :lol:

I think that would make those examples a lot more credible.

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amanondeathrow
4th April 2006, 22:05
In fact, I've even seen Maoists claim that some of the Chairman's "holy words" have been grossly mistranslated into western languages. ohmy.gif

Really? Do you know any specific quotes or statements?

redstar2000
4th April 2006, 22:18
Originally posted by Dee's [email protected] 4 2006, 04:14 PM

In fact, I've even seen Maoists claim that some of the Chairman's "holy words" have been grossly mistranslated into western languages.

Really? Do you know any specific quotes or statements?
It was a long time ago...so I don't remember the details.

I do recall a discussion once on a Maoist board about how to translate one of Mao's "earthy" remarks.

Mao, it seems, referred to some ideas that he didn't like as "stinking like a prostitute's foot-bindings"...and it was suggested that it should be translated as "stinking like a prostitute's panty-hose".

Of course, panty-hose did not exist in the 1930s, so the translation would be anachronistic; on the other hand, how many western readers would even know what a "foot binding" was or why a prostitute's foot binding should smell any worse than anyone else's?

In a way, this is an example of that "cultural apparatus" stuff that I was referring to before...a Chinese reader in the 1930s would grasp Mao's meaning instantly whereas for us, it takes a bit of effort.

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ÑóẊîöʼn
5th April 2006, 00:04
I decided to look for another translation of the texts from another sacred-texts.com, here's what I could dig up:


Originally posted by Rig Veda / Book 8 / Hymn 33
(Verse: 17) Indra himself hath said, The mind of woman brooks not discipline,
Her intellect hath little weight.

That certainly doesn&#39;t sound complementary <_<

It appears that the quotations in the original post are at least based on reality. I couldn&#39;t find full translations of the other books mentioned.

mandangi
5th April 2006, 15:15
According to a poem written by telugu hindu poet Srinatha, Lord Siva had raped wives of many saints. Hindu religious books also encourage rapes and adultery like bible. Lot in bible fucked his own daughters and impregnated them.