religion

[chicaoftherevolution707]

I think that it is entirely possible to be religious without giving in to the system. I don't consider my self anything specifically, however I do believe in God. So i guess that would make me a christian. I do however disagree with most of the churches and the way they run things. They are so hateful and discriminatory it's disgusting! They are modern day nazi's who don't accept anyone for who they are.

[Goatse]

I don't consider my self anything specifically, however I do believe in God. So i guess that would make me a christian.

Christianity isn't just about believing in god... nor is it the only religion to do so. :huh:

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

You must remember that belief in God often equals belief in a superior being. The idea that another being is superior perpetuates and justifies capitalism. Furthermore, if you believe in an afterlife (which most believers do), then you are probably going to be distracted by that idea instead of work towards any real social change. It's all in Marxist theory.

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 07:44 PM
I think that it is entirely possible to be religious without giving in to the system. I don't consider my self anything specifically, however I do believe in God.
Not to attack you or anything but, wouldn't you agree this could be true?

“A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth, therefore If God did exist, he would have to be abolished.”-Mikhail Bakunin

and

“He who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.”-Mikhail Bakunin

and

“People go to church for the same reasons they go to a tavern: to stupefy themselves, to forget their misery, to imagine themselves, for a few minutes anyway, free and happy.”-Mikhail Bakunin

What is the difference between an oppressor here, and an oppressor in the supposed "here-after," ? If you fight oppression, wouldn't that imply all oppression? Just a couple of thoughts.

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 07:44 PM
I think that it is entirely possible to be religious without giving in to the system.
I'm not so sure. If there is a God, then that God is all-powerful and all-loving, so why doesn't he do something about our oppression?

If the world was created by God, and God has always been all-powerful and all-knowing, then he is responsible for everything in the universe. Our history and our future are all just part of his divine plan, since he knew everything that would ever happen the instant he created the universe. We are just characters in God's cosmic play. If our fate is completely in God's hands, what's the point in trying to take it into our own hands by creating a revolution? After all, a loving God would make sure everything is all right in the end, right?

Christianity, especially, is and has always been a reactionary ideology. Christ said many times that the job of the slave is to be obedient to his master. It is logically impossible to be both a Christian and a communist.

[Delirium]

Religion promises that suffering in this life will be rewarded in the next. It is just another way to keep people docile.

Work for a better life now, dont be tricked into believing that you will be rewarded for your faith.

[che's long lost daughter]

I believe in the existence of a supreme being as well which I do not want to call as god. I can not say I am religious as I hate religion and don't belong to any but I am spiritual. Religion is all about following rules, about being afraid of eternal damnation. I think it is hypocrisy because you do good things for the sole reason of not burning in hell. People should do good because they want to do good things, just simply for that reason. Here in my country, where people are mostly Catholic, religion is a very big deal and there are several minor religions too. Well not as much of a religion as Catholicism but I would like to call them sects. There are these two sects which keeps on debating and fighting and they both even have their own television shows on their own networks. Everytime I get the chance to see these shows, I just have to laugh. They are bloody hypocrites!!! They teach about brotherhood and goodwill when they show themselves on TV cursing at each other and ridiculing the other. How pathetic. That's why I totally lost my faith in religion.

[More Fire for the People]

The reason why we oppose theistic religion is because the belief in a god is irrational. There is no reason to rationally conclude that God exists — or does not exist, but it is not rational to worship anything that you do not know whether it is there or not. Secondly, we oppose religiosn in general because religion is an inverted view of the world. The root of man is man, not "morality", "karma", or "God".

[Eleutherios]

Any god that doesn't have the balls to show himself to me is not worthy of my worship or even my respect. The reason there's so much religious conflict is because nobody's god(s) will come out and tell everybody what the one true religion is. I wonder why.

Communists are materialists. We try our hardest not to believe in something just because somebody said it's true or just because it's a comforting thought. Instead we analyze the material world through observation and logic. That is, after all, the only way anyone can come to know anything true. We refuse to accept anything as true unless there is good empirical evidence for it. God is no different.

“My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true. Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.” —Bertrand Russell

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Theism thrives on the trust of the people to trust tradition ie, archaic worship, and not to defy that tradition, because that we be regarded as sinful, sorta like "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain," kind of thing.

[chaval]

If the world was created by God, and God has always been all-powerful and all-knowing, then he is responsible for everything in the universe. Our history and our future are all just part of his divine plan, since he knew everything that would ever happen the instant he created the universe. We are just characters in God's cosmic play. If our fate is completely in God's hands, what's the point in trying to take it into our own hands by creating a revolution? After all, a loving God would make sure everything is all right in the end, right?

the guy said he believes in a God. belief in a (supreme) God doesnt entail having to beleive that everything is his master plan and all is in his hands
for instance, Deists believe that God created the world and then left it to its own mechanisms, in other words He has left us alone so we are free to change our course. it sounds more like ur attacking Calvinism or some other protestant church that believes in predestination but the guy never said he was part of one of those

[Eleutherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 09:25 PM
the guy said he believes in a God. belief in a (supreme) God doesnt entail having to beleive that everything is his master plan and all is in his hands
for instance, Deists believe that God created the world and then left it to its own mechanisms, in other words He has left us alone so we are free to change our course. it sounds more like ur attacking Calvinism or some other protestant church that believes in predestination but the guy never said he was part of one of those
If the deist god was limited in some sense (i.e. he doesn't know everything about the future), then I agree that my argument wouldn't work. But I think predestination is an unavoidable logical conclusion once you accept the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient creator of the universe. He would have to be able to predict exactly how I would respond to every stimulus in my life, how my personality would develop based on my genetics and childhood experiences, etc. I do realize that a lot of people who believe in an omnipotent, omniscient creator of the universe also believe that our bodies somehow receive input from a "soul" with "free will" that somehow makes its decisions independently of genetics, brain structure and past experiences. But I can't see what else the soul could possibly base its decisions on. Some kind of transdimensional random number generator?

I can only conclude that people who believe in that kind of God but not in predestination either haven't thought the issue through, or they're just ignoring logic because their religion tells them to.

[norwegian commie]

i dont think communism and religion mixes well.
An ateist does good things strictly out of the kindness in his heart without no belive that he will rise up to heaven because of his good deads when he dies.

Religus people however does good deads to other to earn a way in to heaven.... Therefor their kindness is an egosentric kindness but an ateist does it for the common good. therefor a true communist must be an ateist.

Alsoe the belief in a after life creates passive humans cearing a little less a bout the society because they know theyll come heaven, and if things are bad here, theyl be good there and so who cears what happens on earth...

Hence the expretion: "religion is opium for the people!!!"

[Dark_outlook 06]

religion its just another krutch for all the people with terminal stupidity even atheists should know they are idiots too trying to explain everything through science unexplained things do happen my message its a prescription and most of this world needs to be medicated I do what I want there may be bad reactions to that sometimes but so what wer'e just gonna die anyway music can reflect religion I dont believe in anything ( including atheism) but embrace the evils that fester in the back of my mind so I listen to music like system ofa down, disturbed, static x, and slip knot thats not all there is to it though my life is a big screwed up web of insanity but I Know im right so dont waste your life worshiping non existant gods or explaing everything though science do whatever you want (more on my philosophy)

[violencia.Proletariat]

even atheists should know they are idiots too trying to explain everything through science

We aren't "trying" we are succeeding ;) We can't put a scientific explanation on everything, yet, and thats the key word.


unexplained things do happen

Lets look at the track record, how many of these unexplained things have actually been explained by religion, and by science? ;)


I dont believe in anything ( including atheism) but embrace the evils that fester in the back of my mind so I listen to music like system ofa down, disturbed, static x, and slip knot thats not all there is to it though my life is a big screwed up web of insanity but I Know im right

Hmm, it seems you are the one who needs to be medicated :lol:

It's called a period man, have you ever heard of it? Heres an example, ( . )

:lol:


so dont waste your life worshiping non existant gods

In other words be an atheist