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Janus
2nd April 2006, 22:59
Originally posted by BBC News
Physicists have confirmed that neutrinos, which are thought to have played a key role during the creation of the Universe, have mass.

This is the first major finding of the US-based Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search (Minos) experiment.

The findings suggest that the Standard Model, which describes how the building blocks of the Universe behave and interact, needs a revision.

Neutrinos are believed to be vital to our understanding of the Universe.

But scientists know frustratingly little about these fundamental particles.

The findings build on work carried out by Japanese physicists.
Neutrinos are sometimes described as "ghost particles" because they can pass through space, the Earth's atmosphere and the Earth itself with almost no interaction with normal matter.

This makes studying them very difficult.

There are three kinds - or "flavours" - of neutrinos: muon, tau and electron.

To examine their properties, scientists created muon neutrinos in a particle accelerator at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory (Fermilab) in Illinois, US.

A high intensity beam of these particles was fired through a particle detector at Fermilab, and then to another particle detector 724km (450 miles) away in a disused mine in Soudan, US.
"Because they so rarely interact with matter we can shoot them straight through the Earth, and most will travel through without doing anything," explained Dr Lisa Falk Harris, a particle physicist at the University of Sussex, and a member of the Minos team.

"Of course, most of them travel right through our detectors as well, but once in a blue moon one of them will interact - about one or so per day."

The scientists' set up established that fewer particles were being detected at the Soudan site than had been sent. They had effectively "disappeared".

"What they have done is to convert into another type of neutrino," Dr Falk Harris told the BBC News website.

Physicists call the process of transforming from one type of neutrino into another flavour oscillation. And to be able to perform this transformation, particle physics theory states that the particles need mass.

"The fact that we see them 'disappear' and they do this little transmutation, means that they must have mass," said Dr Falk Harris.

'Missing mass' mystery

These are the first results from the Minos experiment, which has involved scientists from 32 institutions in six countries.

It confirms the earlier observations of neutrino "disappearance" found in 2002 by the Japanese K2K experiment, where scientists fired muon neutrinos at a detector situated 240km (150 miles) away.

The corroboration that the neutrino has mass has profound implications for particle physics.

"In particle physics there is the Standard Model which describes how the fundamental building blocks of matter behave and interact with each other," explained Dr Falk Harris.

"And this model tells us that neutrinos should have no mass. So the fact that we have now got independent measurements of neutrinos saying that they must have mass, means that this Standard Model is going to have be revised or superseded by something else."

In the longer term, the findings may also help us to better understand the mystery of "missing mass" in the Universe.

"Various observations show there appears to be much more mass in the Universe than is visible," said Professor Jenny Thomas, a particle physicist at University College London, and a member of the Minos team.

"We are surrounded by neutrinos, so in every cubic centimetre there are hundreds at any instant.

"To put it simply, if they are heavy, it means that there is a lot more mass in the Universe than we thought there was."

Neutrinos are also thought to have played an important role in the formation of the Universe. The Minos findings and future ones may help to shed light on how matter formed, and why so much of the Universe's antimatter has disappeared.

Any physicists or scientists like to comment on this?
ComradeRed?

ComradeRed
3rd April 2006, 00:03
Originally posted by BBC
Physicists have confirmed that neutrinos, which are thought to have played a key role during the creation of the Universe, have mass. I should hope so, you know what with the E=mC^2 and all.

If it exists, it would have metamass (mass from the kinetic energy per speed of light squared) at the very least!



Neutrinos are believed to be vital to our understanding of the Universe.

But scientists know frustratingly little about these fundamental particles.
This just in, God plays a big role in the Universe, though he doesn't exist! :lol:

There is no sound reasoning that explains why neutrinos are so important; with regards to that nutty Omega would-be UFT (unified field theory).



Neutrinos are sometimes described as "ghost particles" because they can pass through space, the Earth's atmosphere and the Earth itself with almost no interaction with normal matter. Sounds feasible, though I put no stock in its importance solely from this.

It has the unique property I call the "So-What?" property: after extensive, pain-staking research, there is still nothing of significance proven; leaving one asking "So What?"

It can move "through" matter? Probably because it is moving around the quarks, hedrons, and gluons rather than through them. Because there is insignificant mass (and no color charge), it is resistant to Strong force and gravity.

Wow...who cares?


"And this model tells us that neutrinos should have no mass. So the fact that we have now got independent measurements of neutrinos saying that they must have mass, means that this Standard Model is going to have be revised or superseded by something else." I don't see this contradicting the Standard Model, really. All it does is prove the existence of metamass.

Good job! Proving what was all ready known! :rolleyes: Next thing you know, they'll try to explain gravitons as mooching off the properties of the neutrino :lol:

Janus
3rd April 2006, 00:08
So this research has no significance whatsoever? It hasn't furthered our understanding of the Universe in any way?

ComradeRed
4th April 2006, 02:38
I'm cynical enough to say that this has little bearing in my research :lol: and therefore anyone's research :D

There really is no significance, from my point of view, of this other than a confirmation that special relativity is still not wrong. That's not too special.

Tell that to quantum physicists and they'll rant and rave how this independently proved the same thing, how great quantum mechanics is, etc. Well, a string theorist least ways ;)

mikelepore
13th April 2006, 09:30
The existence of the neutrino has been known for a long time, although its mass was unknown. For example, in the beta-minus decay of thorium, where a neutron decays into a proton and an electron and an anti-neutrino (antimatter neutrino). Contrast with beta-plus decay, where you get a positron instead of an electron, and a regular neutrino instead of an anti-neutrino. The neutrino and anti-neutrino must have the same mass, which, we have just found out, is zero in both cases. Being a particle and anti-particle pair, they must also have oppositely signed charges, which are also zero and zero. Anyway, the thorium beta-minus reaction would be described by the equation (234,90) thorium --> (234,91) protactinium + electron with kinetic energy + anti-neutrino with kinetic energy. The emitted electron doesn't have enough kinetic energy to balance the equation, after taking the atomic weights of the stuff on the left and right sides of the equation, and converting them to energy equivalent, so it was already known for a long time that the neutrino must carry away some of the energy. I don't know what the useful consequences might be to the discovery of its mass, but, in the bookkeeping of a nuclear equation, it means that some of the energy released on the right hand side of the equation will be in the form of the neutrino's mc^2 term. This term would have been zero if its mass were zero. A massless particle can have energy, but not in the form of mc^2 -- the photon being the most well-known example of that fact. This discovery of its neutrino's mass also means that its velocity will always be less than the velocity of light. All massless particles must have v=c.

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