red team
2nd April 2006, 20:48
Introducing the new comedy act: red team and Tungsten!
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Irrelevant to the material security or liberty of direct producers.
Which is irrelevent.
Liberty is irrelevant to a class of the population for a political movement which names itself Libertarianism!. Instead of calling themselves Libertarian Capitalists perhaps they should change it to something more accurate like Libertarian Hypocrites!
Hah! I kill me!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
See previous reply. Neighborhood residences are not examples of an environment in which economic transactions between conflicting parties are involved.
Neither are workplaces. You're treating the claim that these parties are "conflicting" as if it was some primary fact as opposed to a false conclusion.
Hi boss! I'm so dedicated to my job that I want to work overtime without pay!
(Boss): Well, good for you sucker! You keep busy there while I relax on my yacht!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
The word "voluntarily" derives its meaning from the context in which it is used. A con-artist can get his victims to "voluntarily" cheat themselves out of wealth
You can't cheat yourself. The wealth was never theirs unless it said so in the work contract. The worker agreed to work for specific sum of money, which he exchanged an agreed sum of labour. If the boss can sell the products of that labour for a profit then what does that have to do with the worker? If you sell me your car and I then sell it to someone else at a higher price than I bought it for, then what does that have to do with you? Are you going to come around to my house to demand your "share"? No. It was no longer yours to give or take.
Self-employed contractor comes home after earning $500 dollars for the day and says to himself, "Well, my labour is worth a total $500, but I don't really deserve all of it because I've promised myself to give it to the man living in the mansion who didn't do anything today except had sex with the maid"
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
I just bought this car yesterday and while driving it today money magically appeared in my wallet! It's a miracle! Or maybe it's not a miracle. My car may be possessed by evil so I sold it to another person and also gave them my miracle money!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
If you can't justify either 1 or 2 then bosses and investors have no valid claim to their wealth and therefore no valid authority over workers meaning I can do whatever I want from my place of employment because don't respect the validity of their ownership of wealth and hence their power relation over me as bosses and managers.
You have no valid claim to being paid because the money you're being paid came from historical slavery. You have no claim to freedom because you owe everything to everyone who's ever provided you with goods- which also came from slavery. So you've got lot of paying up to do. Don't ask me who gets this payment- they're all dead anyway.
Because of what my boss's great-grand father did to my great-grand parents or my neighbor's great-grand parents by working them to death I don't deserve the little bit of money that was part of my family's or my neighbor's family's wealth in the first place, but which I, my father and my grand father had to work some more time for on top of having a cut taken back from us, because I need it to give it back to the corpse of my great grand mother!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
You refuted absolutely nothing you simply used context manipulation on the word "robbed" against what is the utility meaning of the word in the given argument in which it is used.
You mean you altered the meaning of the word robbed into something it didn't originally mean, which I then changed it back and now you're complaining about it?
You made something with your own hands that I gave you $50 for because to you it's worth $50 and also because I said so. But, I'm selling it for $100 because to me it's worth $100 and also because I said so. But, I'm not really robbing you because you agreed to it and also because I said so. Oh, don't forget to pay my friend the rental money for your apartment because my friend said so.
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Hah! I kill me!
If you're robbed with or without your "argeement" you're short-changed as in not receiving full benefits of your work. That "agreement" is void.
But you're not being robbed if you agree to an exchange. If the exchange differs from what was originally proposed, say if I agree to swap an apple for a pear and instead of giving me a pear, the person gives me a bag with a stone in it (or forces me to accept an orange instead). That's fraud. It doesn't matter what the "cost" of a pear or an apple is if I agreed to make an exchange.
The profits have been earned; the exchange between the consumer and the producer differs to the apple/pear example only on a matter of scale.
(Human labour cannot be separated from human beings)
For my next magic trick I'm going to suddenly turn myself into an apple.
Shazaam!
Whoops! I've turned into an orange instead. Will that do!
*** Booo! Hissss! ***
Who do you think is getting unrewarded the full value of their labour? Investors or Workers?
Not again. Don't you ever give up? Labour is just a frigging commodity, like land, machinery or logistics. It's not special, it's not holy, it's not more important and those providing it sure don't have the right to take over other people's property.
(Human labour cannot be separated from human beings)
It appears that my friend Tungsten hear is speaking in tongues. I think he might be demon possessed. Seance Time!
Translation: There's nothing holy about human liberty and freedom. I can sell you like a cheap rag doll because you're just a money maker to me. You're expendable assets.
Out! Out! Foul Demon!
I think the exorcism worked!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Who pays the workers their wage? Investors (including upper management of a given company) or Workers
The people who consume their goods pay the wages of both, whose value they arrive at subjectively and whose goods they either buy or don't buy. Is revenge being planned against the consumer too?
My boss lowered my wage and made me worked overtime. My friend's boss also did the same thing to him because there was no business in either of our stores. So one time when my friend got off his shift and came to my store, he looked around and said he couldn't buy anything because his boss didn't pay him enough, so I smacked him!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Thankyou, Thankyou for being such a good audience tonight.
Also, I need to thank my partner in comedy Tungsten, without which I couldn't have come up with such good material myself.
Brought to you by Objectivism, the cappie cult that egotistical teens everywhere are joining!
Featuring the most side-splitting illogic that Libertarian Barbarism can bring you!
And now without further delay! Heeere's red team!
Irrelevant to the material security or liberty of direct producers.
Which is irrelevent.
Liberty is irrelevant to a class of the population for a political movement which names itself Libertarianism!. Instead of calling themselves Libertarian Capitalists perhaps they should change it to something more accurate like Libertarian Hypocrites!
Hah! I kill me!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
See previous reply. Neighborhood residences are not examples of an environment in which economic transactions between conflicting parties are involved.
Neither are workplaces. You're treating the claim that these parties are "conflicting" as if it was some primary fact as opposed to a false conclusion.
Hi boss! I'm so dedicated to my job that I want to work overtime without pay!
(Boss): Well, good for you sucker! You keep busy there while I relax on my yacht!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
The word "voluntarily" derives its meaning from the context in which it is used. A con-artist can get his victims to "voluntarily" cheat themselves out of wealth
You can't cheat yourself. The wealth was never theirs unless it said so in the work contract. The worker agreed to work for specific sum of money, which he exchanged an agreed sum of labour. If the boss can sell the products of that labour for a profit then what does that have to do with the worker? If you sell me your car and I then sell it to someone else at a higher price than I bought it for, then what does that have to do with you? Are you going to come around to my house to demand your "share"? No. It was no longer yours to give or take.
Self-employed contractor comes home after earning $500 dollars for the day and says to himself, "Well, my labour is worth a total $500, but I don't really deserve all of it because I've promised myself to give it to the man living in the mansion who didn't do anything today except had sex with the maid"
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
I just bought this car yesterday and while driving it today money magically appeared in my wallet! It's a miracle! Or maybe it's not a miracle. My car may be possessed by evil so I sold it to another person and also gave them my miracle money!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
If you can't justify either 1 or 2 then bosses and investors have no valid claim to their wealth and therefore no valid authority over workers meaning I can do whatever I want from my place of employment because don't respect the validity of their ownership of wealth and hence their power relation over me as bosses and managers.
You have no valid claim to being paid because the money you're being paid came from historical slavery. You have no claim to freedom because you owe everything to everyone who's ever provided you with goods- which also came from slavery. So you've got lot of paying up to do. Don't ask me who gets this payment- they're all dead anyway.
Because of what my boss's great-grand father did to my great-grand parents or my neighbor's great-grand parents by working them to death I don't deserve the little bit of money that was part of my family's or my neighbor's family's wealth in the first place, but which I, my father and my grand father had to work some more time for on top of having a cut taken back from us, because I need it to give it back to the corpse of my great grand mother!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
You refuted absolutely nothing you simply used context manipulation on the word "robbed" against what is the utility meaning of the word in the given argument in which it is used.
You mean you altered the meaning of the word robbed into something it didn't originally mean, which I then changed it back and now you're complaining about it?
You made something with your own hands that I gave you $50 for because to you it's worth $50 and also because I said so. But, I'm selling it for $100 because to me it's worth $100 and also because I said so. But, I'm not really robbing you because you agreed to it and also because I said so. Oh, don't forget to pay my friend the rental money for your apartment because my friend said so.
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Hah! I kill me!
If you're robbed with or without your "argeement" you're short-changed as in not receiving full benefits of your work. That "agreement" is void.
But you're not being robbed if you agree to an exchange. If the exchange differs from what was originally proposed, say if I agree to swap an apple for a pear and instead of giving me a pear, the person gives me a bag with a stone in it (or forces me to accept an orange instead). That's fraud. It doesn't matter what the "cost" of a pear or an apple is if I agreed to make an exchange.
The profits have been earned; the exchange between the consumer and the producer differs to the apple/pear example only on a matter of scale.
(Human labour cannot be separated from human beings)
For my next magic trick I'm going to suddenly turn myself into an apple.
Shazaam!
Whoops! I've turned into an orange instead. Will that do!
*** Booo! Hissss! ***
Who do you think is getting unrewarded the full value of their labour? Investors or Workers?
Not again. Don't you ever give up? Labour is just a frigging commodity, like land, machinery or logistics. It's not special, it's not holy, it's not more important and those providing it sure don't have the right to take over other people's property.
(Human labour cannot be separated from human beings)
It appears that my friend Tungsten hear is speaking in tongues. I think he might be demon possessed. Seance Time!
Translation: There's nothing holy about human liberty and freedom. I can sell you like a cheap rag doll because you're just a money maker to me. You're expendable assets.
Out! Out! Foul Demon!
I think the exorcism worked!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Who pays the workers their wage? Investors (including upper management of a given company) or Workers
The people who consume their goods pay the wages of both, whose value they arrive at subjectively and whose goods they either buy or don't buy. Is revenge being planned against the consumer too?
My boss lowered my wage and made me worked overtime. My friend's boss also did the same thing to him because there was no business in either of our stores. So one time when my friend got off his shift and came to my store, he looked around and said he couldn't buy anything because his boss didn't pay him enough, so I smacked him!
*** Ta-Dump-Dish!!! ***
Thankyou, Thankyou for being such a good audience tonight.
Also, I need to thank my partner in comedy Tungsten, without which I couldn't have come up with such good material myself.