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Karl Marx's Camel
1st April 2006, 12:09
Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

Truth crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly TV broadcast

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.

Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.

The US government attempted to sabotage the trip by putting Rodriguez, who has been decorated at the White House itself, and Walter on a no fly list.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/march2006/300306rodri.jpg
Rodriguez (pictured above) and Walter are educating top Venezuelan officials on the evidence that 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound carried out by the military-industrial complex. They have also appeared on every Venezuelan television and radio station both private and state owned and have given huge presentations to major universities.

Upon visiting, Rodriguez said that the President of the Assembly, Nicolas Maduro's home was brimming with books, videos and documents about the 9/11 cover-up. Maduro, Venezuela's top legislator, intoned that he was ready to create an international investigative committee, looking into the "international crime scene" that is 9/11 and that this would be structured via Hugo Chavez's government.

Rodriguez and Walter are also set to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly broadcast 'Alo Presidente' - which is often subsequently the source of major international headlines. If there is no coverage of this event then we know for sure that a blackout order is in place.

Rodriguez and Walter offered their full support for Charlie Sheen's recent public stance on 9/11 and were heartened by his efforts. The potential of a government level inquiry endorsed by Hugo Chavez dovetails with Sheen's call for an independent investigation to be carried out by political foreign nationals.

Though the establishment media will no doubt seek to demonize Chavez as a militant with an axe to grind, this is an exciting development and the next step on the road to a genuine investigation that will seek to uncover the truth rather than hide skeletons and whitewash as was witnessed with the staged Kean committee.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...vestigation.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306launchinvestigation.htm)


What do you think?

I find it interesting that no one has ever managed to prove it and win the 1 million dollars. I find it even more interesting that the U.S. government is so desperate in stopping him.

Viva Fidel
1st April 2006, 14:08
This is interesting. I have heard that the towers had bombs in them. Something about the way the towers fell. It had something to do with physics. I remember seeing the link but I'm not sure what it was. If anyone knows what website I'm talking about post it up.

Amusing Scrotum
1st April 2006, 14:56
I think the probability that the American Government was "behind" 9/11 is very low....what the White House probably wants to "cover up" as it were, is either a severe failure in the Intelligence community (this probably did happen) and/or links between the hijackers and the American Government.

If I remember correctly, a few of the hijackers had received money from the Pakistani Secret Service and therefore, given Pakistan's status as a client regime, there is a good chance that at some point some of the hijackers could have been working for the American Government....maybe as agents in some of the anti-US Middle Eastern regimes.

If that was uncovered, it would be a huge embarrassment to the American Government and the credibility of the CIA in the eyes of the American populace (and perhaps even some of the bourgeois) would be seriously hurt....and that would likely be disastrous.

As for Chavez and co., well, they probably just wish to make some political capital out of the whole scenario....because if it hurts Washington, it likely benefits Caracas.


Originally posted by Viva Fidel
Something about the way the towers fell. It had something to do with physics. I remember seeing the link but I'm not sure what it was.

A while ago I stumbled upon the report about the destruction of Twin Towers which was carried out by highly qualified Structural Engineers. In their conclusion, they said that it wasn't anything "suspicious" about how the Towers fell....rather under a certain amount of heat, that is what a Steel framed building would do.

I don't have the technical expertise to doubt their conclusion, nor do I know if the American Government influenced their conclusion, but that I have not heard of a single Structural Engineer who disputes this, leads me to conclude that they were right.

After all, if there was something suspicious about how the Twin Towers fell, then numerous Building experts would be "selling their stories" here, there and everywhere.

But given the obvious absence of this scenario, I'm willing to conclude that the people who put these claims up on the internet really have no idea about Structural Engineering and are likely, conspiracy wacko's.

Indeed, from what I know, Steel framed buildings don't topple, they buckle inwards....as happened to the Twin Towers.

redstar2000
1st April 2006, 15:37
Another act in Chavez's circus. :lol:

Maybe somebody could tell me how all this is "building socialism in Venezuela".

Chairman Ted?

Anybody??? :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

Andy Bowden
1st April 2006, 20:13
Hmmm, I don't think the US would go as far as to put bombs in their own building - that kind of stuff is far, far too risky - and would mean that a whole shitload of people will be involved, making it harder to keep a secret.

What is more likely is that the security services deliberately took a step back and allowed the attacks to happen. During 9/11 there were many military wargames going on, for instance. These could have been used to confuse NORAD.

Still at least Chavez has the balls to open an investigaion into these things, I'd reccommend a look at JFK assasination and Pan Am 103 next :)

MeTaLhEaD
1st April 2006, 22:00
Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 1 2006, 02:22 PM
Hmmm, I don't think the US would go as far as to put bombs in their own building - that kind of stuff is far, far too risky
have u heard of OPERACION MANGOSTA?

I invite you to research about it

Amusing Scrotum
1st April 2006, 23:39
Originally posted by redstar2000+--> (redstar2000)Maybe somebody could tell me how all this is "building socialism in Venezuela".[/b]

Don't be so darn critical! :lol:

It would actually be interesting to know much money the Chavez Government is wasting on this particular dalliance....I mean, there definitely are other things in Venezuela which are more worthy of public funds than this particular "investigation".


Originally posted by Andy Bowden+--> (Andy Bowden)What is more likely is that the security services deliberately took a step back and allowed the attacks to happen.[/b]

I very much doubt the American Government knew the attacks were going to happen....other than the few random intelligence reports they overlooked.

Doing something like that, is just too risky.
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I had a search over the internet for the original construction report I referred to in my last post, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.

Anyway, a little look over wikipedia provides some good information....


[email protected]
Critics

A few department chairmen at Jones's university have issued critical statements, though none of these has yet addressed any of the points which Jones made in his paper and at his presentation at BYU. Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones#Critics


Wikipedia
Structural and Civil Engineers Respond

As the above individuals have supplied fuel for the demolition theory, the mainstream of the academic world has yet to be convinced. Massachusetts Institute of Technology has devoted a number of staff members to the analysis of the World Trade Center collapse. Numerous aspects of the collapse have been documented and reviewed within the scientific community. The country's leading structural and civil engineers have examined the attack from the point of impact up through the collapse, concluding that explosives were not necessary to provide what the world observed.

The following are a few examples of the structural engineering response to the collapse:

According to Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction, "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100 °F (593 °C)." Asif Usmani of Edinburgh University concluded that the interconnecting beams of the towers could have expanded by around 9 cm at 930 °F (500 °C), causing the floors above to buckle.
Dr. Thomas Eagar, professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has stated that the building "would have had to have tipped at least 100 feet to one side in order to move its center of gravity from the center of the building out beyond its base." In other words, the structure had no choice but to fall straight down.
Jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, Professor of Engineering at the University of California, San Diego. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F (1000°C), high enough to cause structural failure.
Critics of the demolition theory also point out the in-depth planning, preparation, and production involved in a controlled demolition. This labor-intensive task leaves clear signs of the work, such as stripping away building materials to expose the structural supports, and running cables from the explosives to the detonation timers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspira...on_the_collapse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Individual_viewpoints_on_th e_collapse)

And Popular Mechanics (aren't they banned in Cuba?) has a good piece on the subject....

9/11: Debunking The Myths (page 4) (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y)

Basically, I'd place my trust in the Structural Engineers on this one....it is what they are qualified to do after all. And additionally, from what I know about loads, the way in which the Twin Towers fell, isn't suprising.

On top of this, one specific thing which would reflect badly on whatever company owned the buildings from the report I read, is that the steel frame had no fire-proofing in areas....probably due to time and/or cost limits during the original construction process.

This likely quickened the speed that the steel frames buckled, but other than that, there's nothing "controversial" in my opinion with regards how and why the Towers fell.

Nicky Scarfo
1st April 2006, 23:50
Bad move by Venezuela. Just a media circus event which will distract from consolidating the gains of the Bolivaran Revolution and advancing to the next stage. I'm not even gonna comment on the veracity of 9/11 conspiracy theories, except to say that the evidence is not yet compelling enough for me to consider this move by Chavez anything but a case of misplaced priorities.

chitown_brotha
2nd April 2006, 00:19
hmm...interesting but still what about the bin laden connection with the cia?you know sacrificing two buildings for us gouvernment is nothink.made a good cover up plan used some old buddies to help to make it happen blow up two buildings,people not suspecting shit,everybody all the sudden in panic,gouvernment saying its terrorism,people start believing shit,then what you got?an police state.same shit like the oklahoma boming...enyway i don't really give a shit about this enymore couse there is so much buzz around so fuck it...we all know who is behind this...

MeTaLhEaD
2nd April 2006, 01:38
operation northwoods anyone???

WUOrevolt
2nd April 2006, 03:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 05:47 AM
operation northwoods anyone???
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

MeTaLhEaD
2nd April 2006, 04:40
thanx for the link WUOrevolt

WUOrevolt
2nd April 2006, 05:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 07:49 AM
thanx for the link WUOrevolt
I had never heard of it before, and when you mentioned I searched it and found this, so I thought I'd share it with everyone.