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Red Sky Revolution
27th March 2006, 03:24
Those of you who havent heard of them should check them out. Theyre an awsome band. They just realeased there new cd last Tuesday "For Blood And Empire". They really get on alot of issues in todays media. Check them out!
violencia.Proletariat
27th March 2006, 03:30
reformists :rolleyes:
Abood
27th March 2006, 19:04
reformists
What are your evidence?
ack
27th March 2006, 19:52
Anti-Flag is the shit. They're like the only reason I want to go to Warped Tour '06. And AFI, Against Me!, and Rise Against.
The Grey Blur
27th March 2006, 19:58
Okay it is extremely hypocritical to be on RCA records while preaching Anarchism, that's all I'm gonna say.

I still think they're fucking class, doubt I'll pick up this album though.

Best Anti-Flag thread ever (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45748&hl=) :lol:
FinnMacCool
27th March 2006, 20:18
They're a good band but they don't know shit about anarchism. I do like that they do things like militaryfreezone.org, however.

And yeah signing onto a major label record company and then preaching about how capitalism is evil is really fucking hypocritical. However, I judge bands by the way their music sounds, not by the other shit that goes with it so I'm down with them so long as their style doesn't change.
violencia.Proletariat
27th March 2006, 20:59
Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 27 2006, 03:13 PM

reformists
What are your evidence?
The fact that they promote voting in elections maybe?
Red Sky Revolution
27th March 2006, 21:04
Yeah, I dont like how they signed on with RCA...but they still kick ass. But hey, that just might help get there name out there more.
Marxist in Nebraska
27th March 2006, 21:56
Yeah, I bought their new album the other day. I thought it was better than its predecessor, The Terror State.

The booklet is jammed with numerous mini-essays, related to the material discussed in the lyrics. The band's choice in authors demonstrates their conflicted politics. The band is, sadly, hung up in a lot of reformist trends. There were at least two (and probably three or four) essays that made reference to voting as if it would make a huge difference, but one passionate essay (the militaryfreezone one, I think) that said change would not come from the "halls of Congress or the Pentagon", something to that effect.

That said, I think AF can do a lot more good than harm, just in getting people interested in radical politics. And if being on RCA Records allows them to reach millions more people, then I am all for it. Many of you would never have heard of the Clash or Rage Against the Machine if they had not released their albums on a corporate label.

The single "Emigre" is especially cool, with an intro reading Pastor Niemoller's famous account of the Nazis' divide and conquer social strategy (First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out... a classic piece of rhetoric in defense of solidarity).
violencia.Proletariat
27th March 2006, 23:26
How is showing people reformist politics radical?
FinnMacCool
28th March 2006, 00:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 06:35 PM
How is showing people reformist politics radical?
Since when has radical politics been restricted to waiting endlessly for the revolution that may or may not ever come in your lifetime?
violencia.Proletariat
28th March 2006, 00:29
Originally posted by FinnMacCool+Mar 27 2006, 08:22 PM--> (FinnMacCool @ Mar 27 2006, 08:22 PM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 06:35 PM
How is showing people reformist politics radical?
Since when has radical politics been restricted to waiting endlessly for the revolution that may or may not ever come in your lifetime? [/b]
Since when does anyone do this? Since anarchists do absolutely nothing but wait for revolution and complain about it in the meantime, no! The platformists are out there building the foundation.

Radical politics is not supporting bourgeois politics, bourgeois politics are not radical!
LoneRed
28th March 2006, 02:30
most of you are preaching lifestylism, which is quite absurd. the only way we can successfully fight the bourgeoisie is with their own weapons, its nearly impossible to fight them successfully using nothing corporate owned. all(or most) of us preach against capitalism, yet are using computers from some of the biggest corporate scum bag companies. i smell double standards. oh the last i heard is the album terror state. im gonna have to take a gander into their new album.
Ian
28th March 2006, 02:32
They suck
LoneRed
28th March 2006, 06:15
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 02:41 AM
They suck
Wow what a useless comment <_<
The Grey Blur
28th March 2006, 16:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 02:41 AM
They suck
Oh come on Ian :lol:

911 For Peace? You have to admit that is a good Punk Rock song

I guess they&#39;re just not (power)violent enough for you...
Abood
28th March 2006, 19:08
I agree with LoneRed. It&#39;s like boycotting every single corporation in the world while living in a corporate societY&#33; It&#39;s stupid, absurd and no one would really care. I mean, yeh ok, boycott strong multinationals like McDonald&#39;s and stuff like that, but not every single company.

I also agree with FinnMacCool. Being a revolutionary doesn&#39;t necessarily mean you spend all your life trying to get a revolution. You can always do something else, like try to get gay rights in countries that don&#39;t have it, get rid of racism, etc.
bolshevik butcher
28th March 2006, 19:19
Well ratm and the clash were on major labels and noone had a go at them. I think its just part of being in music. If theyre not compromising theyre poliitics then I dont mind. I&#39;m an ashamed fan of anti-flag really.
Abood
28th March 2006, 19:22
I&#39;m an ashamed fan of anti-flag really.
Why are you ashamed?
There&#39;s a difference between being in a major label and following everything the manager says.
LoneRed
28th March 2006, 19:56
anyone know where i can get this album, you know, where i dont gotta buy it...


bitorrents, and shit like limewire dont work on the network
violencia.Proletariat
28th March 2006, 21:50
Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 28 2006, 03:31 PM

I&#39;m an ashamed fan of anti-flag really.
Why are you ashamed?
There&#39;s a difference between being in a major label and following everything the manager says.
If I&#39;m not mistaken, they edited their album cover for RCA. This is extremely ironic coming froma band preaching free speech. :lol:

No matter how much you&#39;d like to think a band can "do what they want" on a label, the label&#39;s objective is to get money. If the band says/does something that hurts their sales, they will drop them/make them conform.
Commie Rat
29th March 2006, 12:17
the protest song is good, as is the panama deception, that is about it.
bolshevik butcher
29th March 2006, 21:07
Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 28 2006, 07:31 PM

I&#39;m an ashamed fan of anti-flag really.
Why are you ashamed?
There&#39;s a difference between being in a major label and following everything the manager says.
Oh im ashamed cause theyre musics really cliched :P
RaiseYourVoice
30th March 2006, 14:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 08:01 PM
Anti-Flag is the shit. They&#39;re like the only reason I want to go to Warped Tour &#39;06. And AFI, Against Me&#33;, and Rise Against.
Rise against rocks <3<3<3<3


else i agree with lone red if we would not use anything that i not owned by the people to fight the system we would fight it naked with our bare hands.... and give the ruling class a good laugh on top of it

but you can avoid big cooperations as much as possible...