political hiphop

[cpjames_elsocialista]

i just read the interview of sun rise above. i didn't know hip hop had a political part in it.

i want to start being a political rapper and i need advises.

[Tekun]

Please elaborate or be more specific? :huh:

[cpjames_elsocialista]

i guess i need links to more political hip hop and i need to know which ones are good for our propaganda.

[Honggweilo]

http://www.immortal-technique.com/

[The Grey Blur]

Have you heard of Dead Prez? Or Zearle? (Although the latter is quite terrible)

If you have a download system these artists would be good reference points.

As far as the actual rapping goes you must have a decent flow and imaginative lyrics - and some attmepts to look cool wouldn't go amiss. :lol: Good luck

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

A piece of advice: Don&#39;t take 50 cent as an example <_<

[Nicky Scarfo]

The Coup, Paris, Public Enemy to name a few. PE is basically The Clash of the rap world. Similar sound and nebulous revolutionary politics.

Also there are quite a few Arab-Israeli/Palestinian rap groups out there, though I can&#39;t name any and it would be hard to find their albums.

Besides the explictly political rap genre, you can find artists in other rap genres who occassionally spice their rhymes with some political flavor. For example, in gangsta, Ice-T and 2Pac were both known for dropping political lyrics from time to time.

[chitown_brotha]

immortal technique,akir,sabac..........

[JC1]

KRS ONE, NWA, BDP, Paris, et cet era.

Oh yeah, there&#39;s me. I don&#39;t have anything record digitaly tho.

[Nicky Scarfo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 01:31 AM
KRS ONE, NWA, BDP, Paris, et cet era.

Oh yeah, there&#39;s me. I don&#39;t have anything record digitaly tho.
NWA was not "political". They may have had some political resonance and they may have even had a somewhat political rhyme or two, but I definitely don&#39;t think they fall into the "political rap" subgenre.

Although one could possibly argue that NWA&#39;s street-savvy rebellion was inherently poltitical, their rhymes were not overtly political and it could even be argued that they were in some respects a reaction to the "political" or "socially conscious" subegenre of rap that was dominant at the time NWA broke out. In any case, although Ice Cube had some explicitly political subtext to his later solo work, NWA did pave the way for the expressly non-political, materialist and utterly derivative and cliched gangsta rap that now dominates the commercial scene.

This isn&#39;t meant to disrespect NWA, though. They were clearly a brilliant and very important group. That is to say, they were fuckin great&#33; Shit, there&#39;s even some decent shit comin out of gangsta today (though not much).

ON EDIT: "Fuck Tha Police" comes close to "political", and I wouldn&#39;t argue against that one song being classified as such, though it&#39;s important to remember that not all rebellion against authority is necessarily "political", though I suppose there&#39;s at least one anarchist here who might disagree with me there.

[JC1]

NWA was not "political". They may have had some political resonance and they may have even had a somewhat political rhyme or two, but I definitely don&#39;t think they fall into the "political rap" subgenre.


They displayed rudementery class counscience.


NWA did pave the way for the expressly non-political, materialist and utterly derivative and cliched gangsta rap that now dominates the commercial scene.

I would say that Bad Boy Records would be the culprit for that.

[Nicky Scarfo]

They displayed rudementery class counscience.

Okay, but I don&#39;t believe that, in and of itslef, qualifies NWA as "political rap", especially considering that genuine political rap was already established by the time NWA rolled around.


I would say that Bad Boy Records would be the culprit for that.

Agreed. NWA laid out the necessary preconditions. The careers of the various solo artists who emerged from NWA, as well as Death Row, started to define the cliches further, then Bad Boy took all the cliches, removed the creativity and eventually distilled it into the cheap brand of "gangsta rap" so prevalent today. Yet, Biggie Smalls was still pretty fuckin great in spite of his producer.

As far as I&#39;m concerned, although 2Pac and Biggie were pretty cliched and not as good as their predecessors, they were still quite talented, expressed some uniqueness and when they died, so did gangsta rap as an exciting, creative force. Jay-Z occasionally cranks out a good hit, but mostly churns out crap. DMX has some good stuff, but again it&#39;s more bad than good and highly repetitive (he&#39;s like the rap version of AC/DC). Nas is good, but there ain&#39;t much else out there as far as good gangsta rap is concerned.

And don&#39;t even get me started on that bullshit Dirty South "crunk" shit and No Limit&#39;s responsibility for singlehandedly tarnishing the rich musical tradition of New Orleans and the Delta Region.

[Hampton]

Hasan Salaam

By the way, from the South: Outkast, Supastition, UGK, Scarface, Geto Boys, Chamillionaire, Little Brother, Lil Wayne, and this great album cover:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000001ZDK.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[reddagger]

Latino Political Hip Hop
http://www.nomadicsoundsystem.com/ (the whole crew)

Akil Ammar (my comrade from the crew)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...88-4379c1af928f (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12777342&MyToken=fb6322f4-552f-47cf-b888-4379c1af928f)

Dayze (powerful female comrade)
http://music.download.com/dayze/3600-8538_...st_edsug_artist (http://music.download.com/dayze/3600-8538_32-100378732.html?tag=MDL_artist_edsug_artist)

Download the new Coup songs
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=27095933 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=27095933)

Aztlan Underground (old school, my Latino comrades..)
http://www.aztlanunderground.com/

Political Punk Rock
http://www.thewargasms.com/

Akir (fire)
http://www.oneenterprises.com/

Deep Thinkers (more backpacker, but down)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...riendid=2953343 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=2953343)

Resistant Culture (hard rock, not my cup of tea, support them till death tho&#39;)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...riendid=3482628 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3482628)

[Mujer Libre]

"Fuck Tha Police" comes close to "political", and I wouldn&#39;t argue against that one song being classified as such, though it&#39;s important to remember that not all rebellion against authority is necessarily "political",

I like the message of &#39;Fuck That Police&#39; and all, but the homophobic (&#39;are they fags or what?&#39;) stuff wrecks the song for me, ditto for &#39;I Don&#39;t Give A Fuck&#39;. On the other hand, songs like &#39;Fuck the Police&#39; and &#39;I have a dream too&#39; by Dead Prez have essentially the same message as &#39;Fuck Tha Police&#39; (the latter takes it even further) and arent wrecked by homophobic &#39;fag&#39; stuff.

[Nicky Scarfo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 03:39 AM
Hasan Salaam

By the way, from the South: Outkast, Supastition, UGK, Scarface, Geto Boys, Chamillionaire, Little Brother, Lil Wayne, and this great album cover:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000001ZDK.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
None of that Dirty South shit is political rap. Outkast comes closest, but I still wouldn&#39;t call them "political". And with the exception of Outkast and the Geto Boys, those "artists" all suck too. Especially Lil&#39; Wayne.

[Hampton]

Little Brother, Scarface, Supastition suck? Ever hear "The Listening" or "The Minstrel Show", "Chain Letters" or "Deadline", UGK&#39;s Ridin Dirty, Scarface&#39;s Diary or the Fix?

Political or not, those honestly suck?

[bunk]

Chech out.

Main Source - Just a friendly game of baseball

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Watch Roger do his Thing

Both of the Breaking Atoms album

[JC1]

Okay, but I don&#39;t believe that, in and of itslef, qualifies NWA as "political rap", especially considering that genuine political rap was already established by the time NWA rolled around.

OK. I&#39;m just saying that NWA and the solo career&#39;s spawned by that group had a working class character that was/is lacking in other act&#39;s.

Hell, I&#39;d argue that the vast majority of commericializied rapper&#39;s lack any real lumpen charecter. I doubt that alot come from the hood.


Agreed. NWA laid out the necessary preconditions. The careers of the various solo artists who emerged from NWA, as well as Death Row, started to define the cliches further,

I would not say that they defined cliches, but what they did was put the life of youre average workin&#39; class or lumpen guy&#39;s on vinyl.


then Bad Boy took all the cliches, removed the creativity and eventually distilled it into the cheap brand of "gangsta rap" so prevalent today.

Straight up.


Yet, Biggie Smalls was still pretty fuckin great in spite of his producer.

I dont think biggie small&#39;s was great. His content lacked even the rudimentary class cousince found in other act&#39;s, He lied in his cipher&#39;s, and the production work on his album&#39;s was non existant.


As far as I&#39;m concerned, although 2Pac and Biggie were pretty cliched and not as good as their predecessors, they were still quite talented, expressed some uniqueness and when they died, so did gangsta rap as an exciting, creative force.

I like tupac, but I woud say that there was exiciting after he died. The only mainstream rapper that is interesting nowaday&#39;s in my opinion is Hurricane Game. I mean, is there any other mainstream artist&#39;s that have challegened the hegomony of Bling Bling act&#39;s like Jay-Z and 50 cent ?

And Kanye West says some good stuff (Listen to "Crack Music" or the Remix with Game), but hes a mixed case too.


Jay-Z occasionally cranks out a good hit, but mostly churns out crap. DMX has some good stuff, but again it&#39;s more bad than good and highly repetitive (he&#39;s like the rap version of AC/DC). Nas is good, but there ain&#39;t much else out there as far as good gangsta rap is concerned.


Agreed. Cept&#39; I would say that while Nas is a talented young man, I think that his politics suck now. He used to be a millitant, now he&#39;s a fuckin&#39; liberal (listen to "I Know I Can").



And don&#39;t even get me started on that bullshit Dirty South "crunk" shit and No Limit&#39;s responsibility for singlehandedly tarnishing the rich musical tradition of New Orleans and the Delta Region.

Str8 up man.

[bunk]

I dont think biggie small&#39;s was great. His content lacked even the rudimentary class cousince found in other act&#39;s, He lied in his cipher&#39;s, and the production work on his album&#39;s was non existant. :blink:

Are you crazy. Biggie was great, just how great is debatable but his production was always amazing. What the hell are you talking about? Ever hear &#39;Gimme the loot&#39;, Unbelievable, Suicidal thoughts, or Long Kiss Goodnight??

[chitown_brotha]

biggie?ghetto boys chamillionaire?wtf are you talkin about(execept biggie i liked him)but the rest fuck them right in there asses,,they suck big time,,the only political artist i can call from the south that is worthy the name and thats the cunninglynguists check them out by the way there new album peace of strange"but scarface,lil wayne are all overated and sucks dick....im from chicago and i can say im embareced for all those mainstream artists from midwest,south and west...they all suck...underground is where is the the truth at.real mc are technique,sabac akir diabolic brother ali,jedi mind tricks,one.be.lo.,binary star,vinnie paz(even do overated <_< )and not forgettin the outerspace....those are the real mc&#39;s fuck da industry......