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Broker
28th March 2003, 02:05
Don't support US action in Iraq? Please keep an open mind and read this.

I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam
By Daniel Pepper
(Filed: 23/03/2003)


I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on the bus and you represent yourself.

So that is exactly what I did on the morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the intifada. I also went to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek.

The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed.

We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments.

I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.

As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family.

It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."

Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq.

I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment.

"Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam."

We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.

The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had.

Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"

It hit me on visceral and emotional levels: this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years.

Last Thursday night I went to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset me.

Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has to be taken out. It is extraordinarily ironic that the anti-war protesters are marching to defend a government which stops its people exercising that freedom.


And another posted earlier...

"Reality Stuns 'Human Shield': 'Saddam Was a Monster'

Some of the appeasement activists who went to Iraq as "human shields" got shocked into common sense when reality dashed their passivist fantasies.

Arnaud de Borchgrave, UPI's Editor at Large and a member of NewsMax's board of directors, wrote Friday from Jordan:

A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present.

Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality."

Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists.

'Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head.'"


www.newsmax.com

"If you want to protest that it's not okay to send your kids to fight, that's okay. But please don't claim to speak for the Iraqis. We've seen 5 million people protesting, but none of them were Iraqis. They don't know what's going on inside Iraq. France and whoever else, please shut up."
--Ahsan Alwatan, Iraqi refugee to America

Zombie
28th March 2003, 02:18
Welcome to this forum mate!:)
sorry for not reading the article to the end, as i am quite busy, but seems to me that this 23 year old student was really naive to embark on his journey without having done some sort of small research about Iraq and its background... and that's not good. If he was expecting to defend the regime there, and not the people, then i hold no sympathy for him.
And about those taxi drivers... maybe they were credible, maybe not...
Although not everybody wants to see there country bombed back to stone age you know.
Those drivers obviously don't know that the repercussion of American involvement in such a way (and Hawarameen is gonna kill me for saying this) won't benefit the country more than if its fate was left in Saddam's paws. No good is coming out of Afghanistan post-usa to this date, and no good will come from Iraq post-usa either... that's just my opinion, and i recommend you look at the many threads that have discussed this matter here at Che-lives... they are worth it:)
Ok now i have to get back to work(if i can)
Again, welcome and hasta la victoria siempre!!

Broker
28th March 2003, 02:42
We are bombing government sites... if we wanted to bomb them back to the stone age we could do it in twenty minutes.

The Iraqis are going to work, going to the market, visiting friends... they understand that government is being targeted.

Afghanistan may get a few billion dollars for an oil pipeline to be built. They had a council of all the tribes create a government... people can listen to the radio, watch TV, shave their beards... I guess nothing good came out of US action.

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 03:11
Broker. you are a gullible idiot.
http://www.mtrustonline.com/dailytrust/us2732003.htm

redstar2000
28th March 2003, 03:20
Broker, you had me wondering there...for a second. But then you blundered with that second post.

You've come to this board with a specific purpose...to defend U.S. imperialism regardless of the facts.

That guy you quote was either a ringer when he went or he "took the King's pence" when he returned. I don't believe a fucking word he says.

Or you either.

:cool:

Zombie
28th March 2003, 03:36
Broker, you had me wondering there...for a second. But then you blundered with that second post.
i was feeling the same way 2 RS...


if we wanted to bomb them back to the stone age we could do it in twenty minutes.

it took you 12 years damnit!!!


They had a council of all the tribes create a government..
a tribe council put in place the new "interim" government?? you're even more naive that than the block you quote..

Broker
28th March 2003, 03:59
The market story isn't being bought by anyone... unless you follow Saddam's Press Releases. It was most likely Iraqi Anti-Aircraft artillery. What comes up must come down. They US would never target a market intentionally... unless Saddam was there or something similar.

US imperialism? Please... Why is this battle any different from the others we've fought?

And please inform me of the facts if I am so unaware.

lukecrouch
28th March 2003, 04:26
peacenicked, I read the article you posted along with your comment "broker you are a gullible idiot" before I realized that the link had nothing to do with this claim?

I mean, the article points out that Iraqi resistance has been stronger than the US anticipated? I'm not sure this is what Broker's original post was referring to.

Broker's article was centered on the opinions of the person the author interviewed and met with. Your article was talking about Iraqi military forces, right?

Broker's point was that the Iraqi PEOPLE want the regime of Hussein toppled. So your link has no information to counter that, excepting the note about the People yelling "Down with Bush" and "Long live Saddam."

The quote is...



An angry crowd of several hundred people gathered in the area following the strike, waving the shoes and clothes of victims, shouting "Down with Bush" and "Long live Saddam".


This doesn't say who the people were, but the logistics of it lead me to believe they are either plants for propaganda, or military.

Reasoning? Do civilians rush to a site of a bombing or strike to wave shoes and clothes? It is logical for them to rush to the sight and look to help people...in which case you would think doctors, firefighters and police would get these clothing-wavers out of the way so they could get some real help to victims.

The point is that the article does not really address specifically the issue Broker brought up.....that the Iraqi people support America removing Hussein's regime. Not openly, because they cannot, but we may also learn after Hussein is gone how many of the people are willing to talk openly about their opinion of his regime.

In any case, another point is that this article (from a newspaper in Abuja, Nigeria) might be credible and might not be, as Zombie mentioned about the Iraqi taxi driver. Although I'll leave it to each of you to decide which article SEEMS to be more credible....one written by a visitor to Iraq, or one from Nigeria.

Zombie, I expect a warm welcome to the forums like you gave to broker! ;)

Broker
28th March 2003, 04:38
Millions died in the wars he started... millions died as a result of his regime. This is a man who tortures two year old children. The Iraqi people do not support him or his Republican Guard. The Republican Guard will fight for that reason... they have nothing left in iraq without Saddam.

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 04:39
It is very difficult for me to believe that you are at all, well informed about the history of Iraq.
http://www.broadsideonline.com/opinion/sto...0303/iraq.shtml (http://www.broadsideonline.com/opinion/stories/2002-2003/020303/iraq.shtml)

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 04:41
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