Communists and socialists how do you view land?

[SmithSmith]

In a communistic/socialistic society wouldn't fights and wars break out because of land? How would you partition land? In a capitalistic world this issue is easily solvable, the more money you have the bigger the land or land of your desire.

What if everyone wanted a house by the beach? Can a person own a house bigger than what he/she needs?

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's hard to say what people of the future would do with their resources. It's like wondering how Bill Gates is going to fit his new car in his garage... well he can put it in ther if it fits, he can rearrange objects to make room, he can build/purcase a carport and use his garage to house his other cars... but the choice is up to him. Likewise, people in a cooperative and classless sociaety will have to get together and decide together what to do with all their resources.

If more people want to live on the beach than there is land for everyone to live, then it would probably be in people's mutual intrests to set up public beach-houses where everyone could stay for a few months a year rather than having a few people be able to stay there all year long.

[SmithSmith]

Theory is fine..

How would land be traded? What medium would they use?

I think land would be on a first come basis. Homes would be traded freely. People can build whatever homes they like, as long as the land is available. Everyone, would have the right to own private land while the means of production will remain public and democratically controlled.

[El Camarada]

I think land would be on a first come basis. Homes would be traded freely. People can build whatever homes they like, as long as the land is available. Everyone, would have the right to own private land while the means of production will remain public and democratically controlled.
Build what they like? Isn't that a waste of precious resources? You build what you need. Land is dished out by need, beach-front to people who need to live by the beach (i.e fishermen). The idea of a "communal beach house" is a good one. But a family of 5 need a bigger house than a bachelor its simply as.

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

I don't think it would be quite as utilitarian as people suggest by arguing that only "what you need" would be allowed. Think about it: society's productive forces have created massive amounts of land-property. The only reason we have housing shortages and the such is because of disproportionate ownership by the wealthy, land devoted to capitalist enterprises. Think about it, if we took all that space owned by the rich, all the corporate offices, etc in the world, we would probably have a near surplus of housing. I suspect that in the future the average person would be able to live far more comfortably now and in relative wealth, moreso than just what utilitarianism would warrant.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I think it all depends on what is available. If housing was short, than people would probably be more utiliatriansit with deciding how to use it. But the point would be that we want to get production to a point where people can have what they want in addition to having what they need.

We would have to prioritze things and think people would probably priorize needs first such as food, fuel, housing, and education and then move onto creating what we all want such as newer and nicer homes/communities.

At first people would be living in old offices and mansions of the rich would be split up and given to multiple families to use, but as we solve shortages, we could then build new communites where people could live near where they work or live based on mutual intrests... people could choose to live communally or in seclusion and so on.

[violencia.Proletariat]

In a communistic/socialistic society wouldn't fights and wars break out because of land? How would you partition land?

Need based. Farm land would be collectivized so we wouldnt have to worry about it anyways.


Can a person own a house bigger than what he/she needs?

That depends. We obviously wouldnt let mansions be in the hands of a two person household, we would either break them up into multi family units or give them to a communal family. If a person has a house with two extra bedrooms, its most likely not going to be repossesed for need unless its extremely necessary. It would be easier to build more housing in most cases.


What if everyone wanted a house by the beach?

Everyone doesnt want a house by the beach. Beach areas arent usually known for their production so most beach houses could be turned into time shares for vacation.

[SmithSmith]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 23 2006, 11:26 PM
Build what they like? Isn't that a waste of precious resources? You build what you need. Land is dished out by need, beach-front to people who need to live by the beach (i.e fishermen). The idea of a "communal beach house" is a good one.
But a family of 5 need a bigger house than a bachelor its simply as.

What if, the bachelor wanted a bigger house? What if he wanted a 10 bedroom house? Who is going to stop him? See this dilemma is easily solvable under capitalism. More money = freedom = ability to purchase what you like. No money = you lose

On the other hand, if you think about people don't hog public beaches they usually take what space they need. They don't hog the seats on the bus or train, they usually make space for others.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 11:07 PM


On the other hand, if you think about people don't hog public beaches they usually take what space they need. They don't hog the seats on the bus or train, they usually make space for others.

Who is going to stop him?

No one, there is no need to physically stop him. The question to ask is how's he going to do it? He can't employ workers, he cant just show up to the warehouse and ask for supplies for a 10 bedroom house for no reason.


What if he wanted a 10 bedroom house?

This is a fashionable want in capitalism, it serves no purpose in a need based society and wont be "fashionable" anymore.

[which doctor]

I think that with time the traditional home will be no more.