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jakeanomy
22nd March 2006, 18:33
Like I said, everyone's going to hate me for this, and I expect to get a few negative responses. That said, What I've tried to do here is pin down the fundamental problem facing Marxist thought. I've made a serious attempt here, and I'd like any serious responses or insights any of you may have.

Also, I've removed references for the quotes to prevent the kids from cheating in school. These quotes are commonly referenced, and anyone who's read Marx Lenin and Trotsky will recognize them. This is old school. :)



Both Leon Trotsky and Vladimir Lenin agree that in order for a society to transition from capitalism to socialism, a professional state is required to facilitate that transition. They are both aware, however, that while necessary, the bureaucracy is an answer that seems to invite only more questions. Moreover, Trotsky believes that the less a nations economy is developed, the more necessary and problematic a bureaucracy becomes. This is the predicament that Trotsky feels is most pressing for any nation adapting Marxist theory to reality.
If you remember that the task of socialism is to create a classless society based upon solidarity and harmonious satisfaction of all needs, there is not yet, in this fundamental sense, a hint of socialism in the Soviet Union. This is the dilemma facing Trotsky and Lenin. But how should the Soviets approach this problem? How can they work to build solidarity and to satisfy harmoniously the needs of all citizens? The Soviets, according to Lenin and Trotsky, are particularly daunted by this task. They believe, as an extension of Marxs work, that there are certain economic preconditions to the socialist transition. The material premise of communism, Trotsky says, should be so high that a peoples resources [exist] in continual abundance. By this, he means that a nations economy must be so efficient, so advanced, that all of its people have the freedom to work as they chose. With this freedom, with each individuals basic needs provided for, all of society will be able to live as any well-off family does. Everyone will be able to enjoy what Romans referred to as otium, the freedom to spend time bettering oneself, motivated primarily by education, habit and social opinion. This concept is not Trotskys brainchild either, but an extension of Marxs work. Lenin quotes Marx as saying that only when the springs of wealth are in total abundance can society proclaim, From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
According to Marxist theory, only bourgeois capitalism can create effectively the economic conditions, the technique and science, necessary for such abundance of resources. Lenin believes, however, that communism cannot instantly replace a capitalist economy. He believes that the first stage of communism must be a transitional stage, one that maintains the basic capitalist economic structure, albeit without bourgeois ownership of industry. Trotsky takes this to mean that even after a proletarian revolution, and even if an economy had within the sum total of is productive capacity sufficient resources to provide for all of its peoples basic needs, a new socialist state can not automatically remove the [individuals] struggle for existence. He believes that, as a practical matter, the quality and quantity of workers work must still dictate their pay in the short run.
While Trotsky and Lenin aim to create a society where each worker is paid according to his needs, they do not forget that the initial post-revolutionary economy is still capitalistic by nature: it has yet to be reformed. Lenin sees the first necessary step towards true socialism as the creation of a dualistic state, one whose long-term objective is socialism but whose short-term methods must be capitalistic. As Lenin says, It follows that under [the first stage of] communism there remains for a time not only bourgeois right, but even the bourgeois state, without the bourgeoisie. By this, he means that the new revolutionary state must assume the role of the bourgeoisie. The state must function in much the same way as the old bourgeois/capitalist state, serving to operate as well as protect the old capitalist industries. The key difference, however, is that those industries are not owned by individual bourgeois capitalists, but by the new proletarian state. Lenin sees this transfer of economic power as the only realistic way for society to be delivered out of the womb of capitalism, and into socialism.
Ideally, according to Marxist theory, state power should begin to wither away as soon as the proletariat seizes power from the capitalists. This is desirable because the state, as Marxists define the term, is an instrument through which one class is able to exploit and oppress another. Such authority is necessary in the initial stage of communism of course, as the proletariat is still wrestling with elements of the old system (the capitalist infrastructure and the remaining capitalists themselves). Marxists, however, wish to eliminate class differences altogether. According to Trotsky, the power of the soviet state under Stalin has not even begun to wither, but has grown stronger instead. A revolution intended to liberate the Russian people from state-sponsored oppression, has instead fashioned new forms of domination. For instance, whereas an armed citizenry should have replaced the professional army, it has only grown more powerful; removed from society. Meanwhile the populace, the armed bearers of the dictatorship, has been prohibited from possessing any weapons whatsoever. Trotsky wrestles with this dilemma, trying to explain what he calls a crying divergence between program and reality.
As Trotsky sees it, the less developed an economy, the more power the state must exert in order to effect the transition to socialism. He believes that a poor population, one that is perhaps not truly a developed proletariat, is both physically and psychologically removed from the bourgeois industry. Since a key precondition to socialism, a general abundance of resources, does not exist, the state must impel workers pitilessly in order to drive the economy forward. As Trotsky says, it is perfectly obvious that the poorer the [revolutionary] society the sterner and more naked the bourgeois law must be. Furthermore, this iron necessity to create and elevate a bourgeois-like ruling minority has the effect of [strangling] the workers movement, just as it does under full-blown capitalist rule. This is so because the workers themselves are not in control of the states industry, as they would under developed socialism. Since workers are generally disinclined to defend property that is not their own, the schism between the proletarian masses and state becomes quite extensive. According to Trotsky, the inability of the Soviet state to wither away following the proletarian revolution is at once a symptom and a cause of Russian economic and political backwardness.
This is Trotskys dilemma. Since Russia was not a highly developed capitalist society at the outbreak of revolution, but rather the weakest link in the chain of capitalism, the new Russian state was forced to act. It needed to assume the role of the only known power capable of developing the economic efficiency socialism requires: the bourgeoisie. Moreover, the weaker the Russian economy, the more ruthless the new bourgeois state needed to be in order to hasten development. This State-sponsored bourgeois brutality is precisely what communist revolution is intended to alleviate. It is also, according to Trotsky however, the necessary effect of introducing socialism into a country that is not yet ready to host it.
As I see it, Trotskys analysis of the nature of bureaucracy in Russia is spot on. He fails, however, to draw some necessary conclusions from his analysis. Trotsky must make a choice. He must either continue to moderate, deal with, or fight the ever-expanding Soviet bureaucracy, in hopes that some day it will wither away as Marx predicts, or he can advocate capitalism. He can work within Marxs model, pursuing further economic and political development until capitalism reaches its zenith, until socialists can developed a system that honestly proclaims, From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Trotsky, or other Marxists, may find that the state is much less oppressive under a bona fide bourgeois-capitalist regime, as compared to Stalinist one.
Furthermore, at the risk becoming overly academic in my analysis, the economic preconditions to socialism are perhaps too utopian, though Trotsky insists they are not. When asserting that an economy must be developed enough to support socialism, the word enough must but assigned a certain definition. To say that enough simply means that every individuals needs can be provided for, what is meant by the word need? For the better part of human history, mankind has had his basic needs provided for: food, shelter, and clothing. In many tribal societies, amongst peoples indigenous to Africa or the Americas for instance, men and women often work for only a few hours each day, spending the remainder of their time at leisure. This level of subsistence is most likely not, however, the level that Marxists expect under capitalism. So how developed must an economy be in order to be developed enough? Would a Roman aristocrats life be sufficient? He undoubtedly spent a good part of his day at leisure, bettering himself through art, literature, and sport, but his lifespan was intolerably short by todays standards. So what about modern America? The United States of the early twentieth century was still underdeveloped according Trotsky, unable to provide everyone with as much as he needs. Is America developed enough today? Will it be in fifty or a hundred years?
I simply wish to illustrate the subjectivity of being advanced enough for socialism to work. In light of this ambiguous distinction between economic readiness and unreadiness, it seems likely that some level of bureaucracy will always be necessary. An economy will never advance to a state where no one will have to work, where all of humanitys needs will be automatically provided for. Since every individual will always be, to a certain degree, tasked with the business of ensuring his personal existence, there will always be a need for some cajoling force; be it bourgeois capitalism or a bourgeois socialist state.
This is where I feel I must leap beyond logic. The key to progressing towards true communism, it seems to me, must lie in a single places. We as the vanguard must decide what the needs of humanity are. What proportion of our wealth should we spend on subsistence, health care, education, new technological research, recreation, et cetera? In a sense, I am asking: How do we define communism? If we are to learn anything from the history of the twentieth century, if we are to move beyond the fundamental theories of more than a hundred years ago, we must then acknowledge and adapt to the limits and constraints of socialism as a transitional stage. These limits held back the Soviet Union, continue to constrict development in Cuba, and have been tossed aside carelessly in China. The Chinese government knew that some form level of capitalism must be adopted in order for the economy to grow, but they have obviously gone too far in some respects while simultaneously repressing their citizens violently and denying them basic human rights.
I do not offer any solutions. I have hopefully, however, clarified the fundamental problem facing us today. If we are to be successful we must learn to be pragmatic. And pragmatism means realizing the limits of communism, of moving beyond the utopian and working towards a viable solution. The Soviets ignored this reality. The Chinese have realized it, but have forgotten their roots. We must find the balance.

jakeanomy
22nd March 2006, 20:03
Oh yeah. I hope you don't get the impression that I'm a reformist, that I think european models offer any real answers. I just think we have to be pragmatic about achieving communism.

kurt
22nd March 2006, 21:33
No one else has taken the time to respond to this.. so I thought I'd have a go. The first part of this paper was simply summarizing the problems Lenin & Trotsky faced in trying to establish "socialism" in a country that still had fuedal relations, quite the task indeed!


I simply wish to illustrate the subjectivity of being advanced enough for socialism to work. In light of this ambiguous distinction between economic readiness and unreadiness, it seems likely that some level of bureaucracy will always be necessary.
First I think it's necessary for someone using the term "socialism" to qualify what they mean by the term. Unfortunately, "socialism" has come to mean a great number of things throughout history, and I have a real problem with engaging in any serious discussion in regards to this word if the concept it applies to hasn't been properly qualified.

If by socialism, you mean "Russian Socialism", the kind of "socialism" we saw in the 1920s and 30s, then clearly the objective factors were present, afterall, the system was established!

If by socialism, you mean direct control over the means of production, then the objective conditions for socialism probably were not present.

I have a major problem with your attempt to reduce an objective factor to one of mere "subjectivity" simply because you don't know what the objective factor entails. Subjectivity is a "mind-only" construct, and is divorced from material reality. If you truely think that being "advanced enough for socialism to work" is a subjective factor, then the russians could have truely established communism, or anything else they pleased; such is the nature of subjectivity.

Next we have your rather dubious claim that "economic readiness" and "economic unreadiness" is an amibiguous distinction. Certainly it is possible for someone to have an incorrect, or correct view of economic readiness. This does not however entail amibiguity! The material conditions for socialism/communism are an objective factor, and therefore not "open for different interpretation". If it were, then it would be possible for two polar opposite views to be "correct". It's not.

Then we have a randomly inserted claim that "bureaucracy will always be necessary". Even if "economic readiness" was amibiguous, how does bureaucracy correalate to this?


An economy will never advance to a state where no one will have to work, where all of humanitys needs will be automatically provided for. Since every individual will always be, to a certain degree, tasked with the business of ensuring his personal existence, there will always be a need for some cajoling force; be it bourgeois capitalism or a bourgeois socialist state.

Who ever said the economy will ever advance to a state where "no one will have to work"? And just because people are always going to have to work, doesn't mean that a "cajoling force" (rather euphemistic term by the way) is going to be necessary to get this work done.

Have some interest in being a boss perhaps?



This is where I feel I must leap beyond logic. The key to progressing towards true communism, it seems to me, must lie in a single places. We as the vanguard must decide what the needs of humanity are. What proportion of our wealth should we spend on subsistence, health care, education, new technological research, recreation, et cetera?

Indeed, a rather strange "jump-out" in logic. You assert that only the vanguard can "decide" for the "needs" of humanity are. How nice of you to decide what I do or do not need. I think I'll pass on letting the vanguard decide my future.



In a sense, I am asking: How do we define communism? If we are to learn anything from the history of the twentieth century, if we are to move beyond the fundamental theories of more than a hundred years ago, we must then acknowledge and adapt to the limits and constraints of socialism as a transitional stage.
When "socialism" is applied in the contexts of a region still wrapped in the chains of fuedalism, of course there are going to be "limitations" and "constraints". I think you've found some evidence perhaps for material factors being objective. You can't "skip-over" modes of production!


These limits held back the Soviet Union, continue to constrict development in Cuba, and have been tossed aside carelessly in China. The Chinese government knew that some form level of capitalism must be adopted in order for the economy to grow, but they have obviously gone too far in some respects while simultaneously repressing their citizens violently and denying them basic human rights.
Yes, the Chinese government unfortunately had to face the material reality of their situation. I guess they realized they couldn't "force" communism, because it's not a subjective factor!

anomaly
22nd March 2006, 22:06
Responding jakeanomy

Lenin sees the first necessary step towards true socialism as the creation of a dualistic state, one whose long-term objective is socialism but whose short-term methods must be capitalistic. As Lenin says, It follows that under [the first stage of] communism there remains for a time not only bourgeois right, but even the bourgeois state, without the bourgeoisie. By this, he means that the new revolutionary state must assume the role of the bourgeoisie.
Emphasis mine.

This is quite accurate, as far as 'what Lenin thought'. Indeed, this is exactly what happened in all Leninist countries. However, we now know that Lenin was wrong. It's not 1917 anymore. Time to move on.

The real pickle, however, is to see what Lenin believed constituted a 'proletarian' or 'revolutionary' state. In reality, the Party, not any proletarians, took control of the state, and constructed it in their interests.


I simply wish to illustrate the subjectivity of being advanced enough for socialism to work.
I don't see any subjectivity. When the proletariat revolt, we know that things are 'advanced enough'. There should be some 'tell-tale' signs: depressing wages, greater inequality, widespread poverty, growing unrest, etc.


An economy will never advance to a state where no one will have to work, where all of humanitys needs will be automatically provided for. Since every individual will always be, to a certain degree, tasked with the business of ensuring his personal existence, there will always be a need for some cajoling force; be it bourgeois capitalism or a bourgeois socialist state.
We aren't aiming for a society wheren o one has to work. That's impossible. We're aiming for a society in which people can work without being exploited. Also, it seems you're rather authoritarian. You think we'll always 'need' a 'bourgeois socialist state' (what the hell does that even mean? a socialist state is, by definition, controlled by the proletariat...), and I don't think this is accurate. When the people revolt by and for themselves, they will create a society by and for themselves. If we have any 'bourgeois socialist state', it just gets in the way.


The Soviets ignored this reality. The Chinese have realized it, but have forgotten their roots. We must find the balance.
There is no balance between one Leninist state and another. Rather, what we need to do, collectively as a movement, is toss out Leninism as a respected theory. Once we make clear that we want no Leninist/vanguard bullshit, we will move forward, and we will gain comrades.

jakeanomy
22nd March 2006, 23:51
Okay, I'm going to direct this response to Kurt as he found "a major problem" with the crux of my argument, which is exactly what I was looking for.

First of all, my comment about people's needs being "automatically" provided for was careless. I was thinking of Trotsky's line, "A socialist state even in America, on the basis of the most advanced capitalism, could not immediately provide everyone with as much as he needs, and would therefore be compelled to spur everyone to produce as much as possible." (Trotsky, Revolution Betrayed) -Again, my use of the word 'automatically' was reckless and undermines my argument unnecessarily.

Secondly, when I used the word socialism I meant socialism as a transitional stage, as having effective control over the economy. Talk about failure to define your terms. Whoops.

Finally, to my real argument.
Kurt, you touch on my point when mentioning:


Yes, the Chinese government unfortunately had to face the material reality of their situation. I guess they realized they couldn't "force" communism, because it's not a subjective factor!

Perhaps subjective is a misleading word when talking about 'economic readiness'. What I mean is that we don't know how developed we have to be to make our transition. As per my Trotsky quote above, no nation had yet developed sufficiently to transition without a dictatorship of the proletariat during Trotsky's time, and there is no objective measure of how developed our economy must be for the dictatorship to move smoothly and rapidly towards the eventual goal. So, when I use the word 'subjective,' I suppose what I really mean is that our definition of communism proper must be subjective, as capitalism would undoubtedly continue to truck along and continue its advancement into perpetuity; We have to decide for ourselves what level of economic development is sufficient for us to begin a successful revolution. A revolution that will not end in ruin.

And as a side note, the term 'cajoling force' is intentionally euphemistic, and intentionally vague. Trotsky and Lenin were trying to replace capitalism as a driving economic force, one which 'spurs' production and advancement. Though they obviously had little success with that!

ps:
I sense a certain degree of professionalism in your comments, Kurt. Are you a professional political scientist / academic? If so, I won't ask from what university. :P

To anomaly,

You've got to brush up on your Lenin before you knock it. His writings and thoughts are quite extensive, and his ideas concerning the 'periphery' are as relevant today as ever.

As to your question about the meaning of the phrase 'bourgeois socialist state,' I re-direct you to that oft-quoted line from "The State and Revolution" that i used in my above essay:


It follows that under communism there remains for a time not only bourgeois right, but even the bourgeois state, without the bourgeoisie!

Here he is referring to the fact that, during the period immediately following the overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the state (party) must seize control of the capitalist infrastructure (means of production) and assume the role of the bourgeoisie as a cajoling force, paying workers according to the quality and quantity of their work rather than according to their needs. You may think Leninism is purely nonsense, but the fact remains that during the period following the bourgeoisies overthrow there will be no immediate substantive change in society other than who holds the reigns of political power, or in other words, who controls the guns. Unless, of course, you think revolution is unnecessary, that we can transform our 'liberal democracies' as we call them fully to the left from within the system. But my gut tells me that isn't what you're saying.

jakeanomy
23rd March 2006, 03:06
Okay okay one more thing. I apologize for the 'vanguard' comment. I was just having fun with that. I'm sure you've read Darkness at Noon, and trust me when I say I fully understand the lessons against teleology contained in that book. In fact, I feel the failure of teleological thought is an underlying feature of my essay...