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canikickit
26th March 2003, 19:53
U.S. WILL LOSE THE IRAQ WAR - SAYS SCOTT RITTER

" Scott Ritter... are you surprised by how the assault in Iraq is going?

" No actually, I wrote a paper that was published last Fall, that predicted just this. And i'm a little disturbed in listening to some of the analysis going along here.

I think that one of the reasons the American find themselves in such difficulties in Iraq, is that so many in the Pentagon have listened to the... blithering of Iraqi expatriots who have spoken out --rightly so-- against Saddam Hussein, and who think that it's a) the role of the United States to liberate Iraq; and B) think that the Iraqi people want us to liberate them from Saddam.

And I think that the harsh reality is that in buying off on the expectations of being greeted in the streets of Iraq with song and flowers... we now find we are being greeted with bullets and bombs.

And it's the Shia in the south who are fighting us. They're not doing it because Chemical Ali is down there with his death squads threatening to execute 'em.

They're doing it because, the American Crusader Infidel has invaded and violated Holy Iraq, and they will resist us, and they will resist us strongly.

And no matter how many Iraqi's we kill and slaughter, I predict that America will loose this war and ultimately the American military will leave Iraq with its tail between its legs.

Unfortunately, we're going to inflict a tremenduous amount of death and destruction on the people of Iraq; the American soldiers and Marines will also pay a price.

And all those who sit outside of Iraq and courageously encourage Americans to go in and slaughter Iraqi's should be ashamed of themselves."

"...You think the Americans will lose this war? "

Scott Ritter:

" We lost Vietnam....

Remember we can kill many, many Iraqi's and we will do so. But I am telling you right now, that we do not have sufficient combat power in Iraq --as we speak-- to win this battle. So we will have to reinforce considerably.

The current posture, in terms of American deployment, is predicated on a presumption that the Iraqi Army would surrender; that the Iraqi people would welcome; that the international community would support.

The exact opposite is happening.

And now we find ourselves with fewer than 120,000 boots on the ground; facing a nation of 23 million, with armed elements numbering around 7 million --who are concentrated at urban areas.

We will not win this fight. America will lose this war.

Saddam Hussein may die... But you know what?

I'm betting that Saddam's gonna be around a lot longer than anyone can predict.

I'm betting that we don't capture Bhagdad.

I'm betting that we stall outside Bhagdad.

I'm betting that this becomes an absolute quagmire.

I hope I'm wrong, for the sake of the American lives that are going to be lost. Remember I'm a 12 year veteran of the Marine Corps. I fought in the first Gulf War. I know what war is about. I know what defending my country is about.

This is a bad war, because it has nothing to do with the defense of the United States of America. Iraq doesn't have weapons of mass destruction. The Bush Administration has pulled an enormous lie to the international community; to the American people.

And now we're in Iraq --carrying out the right-wing neo-conservative motives of a handful of people; the Richard Perle's, Paul Wolfowitz's; the Dick Cheney's. And we've allowed them to hijack our foreign policy.

And they've been cheered on by these Iraqi expatriots, who have zero credibility in my eyes. They're so brave and they want Iraq liberated... Then my goodness man, go to Iraq... fight and die for your country... But don't ask Americans to do it.

Lefty
26th March 2003, 19:58
Interesting...I wonder what will happen when the U.S. troops cross the "Red Line" that is being spoken of, the line where Saddam and co. might use chemical weapons. Perhaps then we will stall.

Dirty Jersey
27th March 2003, 00:43
i like this author because he says exactly what ive been saying since day one of this invasion. but i elaborate by saying when we stall around bhagdad and casualties are mounting public support will drop and the president will be forced to pull out. or democrats will return to the white house and do it for him. just a thought though could be wrong.

Subcomandante Marcos
27th March 2003, 01:11
What he is saying is true, in the irban combat the irakies will win, but for how long ?? it will be a nasty fight alright but when is it going to turn into a bloodshed ??

As much as i would like to believe that the US will be defeated (if they are i'll be the first to run to the streets yelling:"Evil is gone !!"), but i also have to admit that the american power is overwhelming for this small country, no matter how many armed civilians you have, one bullet doesnt stop a 10 ton. bomb, no way.

But what is true is that the figure of saddam and this unjjust war will live forever, it will be remembered by millions of islams as a betray by this empire that tried to destroy their borthers, insted of securing the U$'s security, they will make it more vulnerable to attacks

Dirty Jersey
27th March 2003, 01:33
my brother in law is a marine in iraq (well he was in kuwait when i last talked to him about 3 weeks ago so one can only figure he is) so i will just be happy when he is allowed to return home. he and my sister are expecting their first child in three months. i dont care if hes considered as being good or evil person as long as he is given the chance to be considered a good or evil father.

redstar2000
27th March 2003, 02:34
It seems to me Mr. Ritter's prediction is wildly optimistic.

But I hope he's right!

:cool:

Zombie
27th March 2003, 02:41
Quote: from redstar2000 on 9:34 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
It seems to me Mr. Ritter's prediction is wildly optimistic.

But I hope he's right!

:cool:
i second that.

canikickit
27th March 2003, 03:00
I third it. Sometimes in my wilder moments, I think this may actually come true. Of course, the ideal would be that the Iraqis would rise up and crush the regime in the aftermath.

alphaduc
27th March 2003, 07:26
OK, I think the child molesters wrong. I think that the U.S. military is going in for the kill. They're trying real hard to keep civilian casualties to a minimum right now and just go after the thugs. That way, governing the post-war Iraq will be easier with a population that isn't too hostile. If things start to get too tough for the U.S., they'll just bring out the heavy stuff and finish it off. They're in a hurry and don't want to be tied down fighting in Iraq for more than a couple months. With the Afgans and Iraqi's on the road to democracy in the East and Pakistan in the west, Iran's starting to look surrounded.

(Edited by alphaduc at 7:28 am on Mar. 27, 2003)

Angie
27th March 2003, 13:29
Joining the queue of those who support Ritter's optimism.

Sovietsky Souyuz
27th March 2003, 14:59
Alphaduc, how can you say that the afghans have anything resembling democracy, a bunch of tribal leaders have been given a country, the people have been dominated so long (CCCP, Taliban), that they will find it difficult to adjus t, and as for iraq, they will go the way that any other U$ puppet state does, dictatorship, your forgetting that Saddam was put in to replace the tyrannical King of Iraq by the U$ ,look how he turned out.

Politrickian
27th March 2003, 16:58
Quote: from alphaduc on 8:26 am on Mar. 27, 2003
With the Afgans and Iraqi's on the road to democracy in the East and Pakistan in the west, Iran's starting to look surrounded.

(Edited by alphaduc at 7:28 am on Mar. 27, 2003)


Your geography is horrible messed up.

Zombie
27th March 2003, 17:04
who's he calling a child molester?

Felicia
27th March 2003, 17:07
*stands and claps* ...I love that guy... :)

(Edited by felicia at 1:12 pm on Mar. 27, 2003)

Exploited Class
27th March 2003, 18:31
I agree that Scott is very, very optimistic.

America's defense budget last year alone was 400 Billion dollars. I doubt that Iraq in the last 25 years combined military spending was equal to America's 1 year expendetures, nevermind then combinding all of America's last 3 decades of military spending. Then you have to add in the fact that the world's third largest military budget, Britian, is aiding the U.S.

America will beat down the civilian population into submission. Normal civilian people can only handle so much stress of impending death from bombs exploding near by and machine gun firing, anti-aircraft shooting and air raid sirens before they just crack and fall into a mess of stress. These people prior to this were already stressed out on a daily basis just trying to survive through economic sanctions.

The little bit of weapons the Iraqi's posses is 20 year old soviet weapons that survived the Iran war.

I just don't see any odds in favor of the Iraqi people. I give odds of 35,424 to 1.

hawarameen
28th March 2003, 00:41
it looks like CIKI is the only one with a bit of sense here (no offence), unless you all forgot to share his sentiments about any uprising in which case i appologise.

if saddam wins, you may not hear about it but many many hundreds of thousands will die as a result of his revenge, he is already killing people who try to surrender, even holding soldiers families hostage.

i dont hope america looses the war but i really hope they get scared shitless, they already admit its not going to be as easy as they thought. a quick victory would further inflate the american governments ego.

if they wanted freedom for the people of iraq they could support a peoples revolution and indeed should have in the first gulf war.

alphaduc
28th March 2003, 00:51
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Your geography is horrible messed up.
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Yeah, you're right. I was up all night & tired as hell. Iraq's in the east, and the Afgans & Paks are in the west.

Great setup though if you want to take out Iran next, without having to use Saudi bases.

alphaduc
28th March 2003, 01:00
Quote: from Sovietsky Souyuz on 2:59 pm on Mar. 27, 2003
Alphaduc, how can you say that the afghans have anything resembling democracy, .....


I didn't. I said they are on the way there with the U.S.'s help. I also doubt they will be a true democracy for a very, very long time. Meanwhile, I think you'll see U.S. soldiers in there as about the same length of time as you've seen them in Germany, Japan, and Korea.

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 01:58
http://www.cursor.org/aljazeera.htm
The US has lost much of the propaganda war.
It is difficult to know what will happen. This war cant be choreographed to fit into a pre-formed plan. The longer it goes on the more likely the opposition will grow as major casualties are the last thing the US public wants.
It is starting to smell of Vietnam.

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 02:03
another relevant link http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/27/internat...&partner=GOOGLE (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/27/international/worldspecial/27CASU.html?ex=1049346000&en=b4841657b50da30e&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE)

Broker
28th March 2003, 02:16
Less than 50 deaths... more people were killed on the road last week... about ten times more.

We are fifty miles from Baghdad! We could end the war in 20 minutes if we wanted to... but civillian casualties are not acceptable.

There is fear and innocent life lost in every war. 14,000 in Normandy. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have been done.

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 02:30
http://afr.com/iraq/2003/03/28/FFXUA210TDD.html another relevant link

Kapitan Andrey
28th March 2003, 03:03
u.s.a will suffer anyway!!!

FUCK bUsh, FUCK bLair, FUCK rUmsfiels...FUCK bRoker!!!

Broker
28th March 2003, 04:02
Down with the second largest coalition in the history of warfare... right....

peaccenicked
28th March 2003, 04:19
right! Absolutely right.

YerbaMateJ
28th March 2003, 06:01
Karma folks. It's coming. Here in the U$A we are like lobsters in a slow boiling pot. Once that thing starts bubbling fiercely, we will wonder why we stayed in the water so long. Then, before we know it, we'll be on somebody's plate smothered in butter.

Helping Iraq with a people's Revolution. That would have been the solution. We have enough fucking money to fulfill a project like that. That would have been the best move. Too late now.

And this is smelling like Vietnam.

Don't you just LOVE the smell of depleted uranium in the morning?

YMj:biggrin:

Dirty Jersey
28th March 2003, 08:11
dude broker how do you figure that if it wasnt for civilians we could end the war in 20 minutes? we are deploying another hundred thousand soldiers this week just for the upcoming battle. theres no way we are ready to cross iraqs red line. early pre war coalition casualty assessments were between 25 and 35% just for the assault on baghdad. city combat is very difficult. no one can be one hundred percent sure of the outcome of a battle but i can guarantee that a significant number of our boys are going to die in baghdad unfortunately.

peaccenicked
1st April 2003, 06:53
More 'expert' opinion this time from two german military historians
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Repor...eke-reuter.html (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/032903Speke-Reuter/032903speke-reuter.html)

casturatedcarbar
1st April 2003, 15:21
the reason why we could end the war in 20 minutes if it wasnt for civillians is because the us is going out of its way to not harm them. If we didnt care about civillians, there wouldnt be much of iraq left right now. This is a war against saddam, not the people of iraq.

peaccenicked
1st April 2003, 15:30
casturatedcarbar
Explain this story to me.
http://www.rense.com/general36/heay.htm

Lefty
1st April 2003, 21:13
Yes, we care for the civilians of Iraq.



Thats why we have shut down the U.N. food supply trucks that 60% of Iraq depends on for food and shut down the power grid with carbon filaments. No medicine, no food, no electricity and therefore no running water...all for the people, right?


Assholes.

Larissa
2nd April 2003, 00:19
For those of you who would like the Spanish version of Ritter's explanation on why the US will the war:
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/009n1mun.php?printver=1

Alá bless the summer winds in Iraq!

Guardia Bolivariano
2nd April 2003, 00:45
Quote: from Larissa on 1:19 am on April 2, 2003



Alá bless the summer winds in Iraq!

INSHALLAH!

peaccenicked
2nd April 2003, 01:29
Another way of looking at it.
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?...ID=6702&TagID=2 (http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6702&TagID=2)