Upgrading the Manifesto

[che_diwas]

Dear Comrades...

My greetings..

As we all know that the dignity and freedom of a human life ....came to existence
from Karl Marx and Fredrik Engels. I have read the Communist Manifesto and so many other Marx literature.

I just wanted to know your opinion on whether any new ideas and principles can be added to the manifesto.

Karl Marx wrote the manifesto in the late 80s..... viewing from that mode of time,
it was the greatest work of all time. But the time is moving fast and so is the world.... I think that the principles of Communism should be also moving along with the change ....keeping in mind not to support any burgeois, imperialist...or any other anti communists.

The main change should be made on the Idealogies and policies of the communist parties of the world which are under Multiparty system....

A leftist party in the Parliament can do nothing except pressurize the government..

If we held a poll in each and every country of the world on whether the people choose communism or not... I think more than 90 percent of the world will favour communism.

We should never let the anti-communist say that communism is history... rather we should be ahead of them in each step of human life.....

The frontline is everywhere so contribute to the people(communists)...

Revolution and Communism till we die...

The Red Salute...

(Ps. Please feel free to mail me at [email protected], I dont have communist friends... )

[Red Heretic]

There have many contributions on Marx's Communist Manifesto, that is why we have Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.

Communism is a living and evolving science, and so of course we should always learning and expanding upon it.

Communist party's of today have expanded on it very much. This can be seen in both the documents of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, and the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist).

Check out the RCP's Draft Programme here. (http://rwor.org/margorp/progtoc-e.htm)


Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forum! :D

[Xanthus]

There have been many updated versions of the manifesto (usually in the form of party programs and such, as the original manifesto also was), but none which have gripped the attention in the same way. I agree that the language is out of date, but the principles are still valid, and the writing still brilliant. It's hard to imagine anybody creating a new manifesto-like document which could be accepted by all the many sects around the world, although nothing stops individual tendancies from publishing their own similar documents for their own purposes.

[GoaRedStar]

Dont listen to Red Heretic does guys whos link he put up are fucking looneys.

[emokid08]

I agree with Red Heretic that a new or updated Manifesto should include Leninism and Maoism as additional stages to Marxism.

Communism is fluid. It's developing right now in Peru, Nepal, and India.It has the disadvantage of being part unknown and not fully discovered. But there's a great deal of expirenece to draw on. The process of discovering the new and discarding the old is what gives Communism its vitality and richness.


Forever hold high the great RED Banner of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism ! ! ! :hammer:

RESCUE OUR FUTURE - - - Make Capitalism HISTORY !

[Xanthus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 11:32 AM
I agree with Red Heretic that a new or updated Manifesto should include Leninism and Maoism as additional stages to Marxism.
If only Maoism was consistant with the principles of Marxism, I might agree with you. ;)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Manifesto of the Free People's Movement (http://www.fpm-mgl.org)

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 17 2006, 03:03 PM
There have many contributions on Marx's Communist Manifesto, that is why we have Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.


None of which are even considered as a possibility in the advanced capitalist countries, where communism (socialism, whatever) is possible. I'm sorry but industrializing a third world country is a good thing, but its not marxism, its not communism.

[redstar2000]

As I recall, Marx and Engels both contemplated the possibility of "updating" the Manifesto in the 1870s...but decided not to do it because of its "historical significance".

In fact, the Manifesto has been superseded in many ways...it's not 1848 anymore. :lol:

In our era, the Marxist paradigm is far more "sprawling" (for want of a better word) than it was when first outlined. And that's not even counting all the "variants" -- Social Democracy, Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Titoism, Maoism, Hoxhaism, etc., etc., etc.

Lots of groups have published and are still publishing "manifestos"...indicating what portions of Marx they find acceptable and what portions they think need "updating".

As it happens, I'm something of a "Marxist fundamentalist" myself...I have a low opinion of all the social democratic and Leninist "glosses".

But that's still a minority opinion at the present time...and you certainly have a wide variety of "Marxisms" to choose from with all sorts of "bells and whistles" attached.

Good luck. :)

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[emokid08]

"it is capable of everything, because it is right."
-Lenin, on Marxism

We don't need luck.

[Fidelbrand]

If we held a poll in each and every country of the world on whether the people choose communism or not... I think more than 90 percent of the world will favour communism.

i highly doubt this.

But I like your passion in renewing the manifesto. Capitalism is mutating into a benevolent system ... social democratic system in some ways. We need to watch out.

[emokid08]

I read the Free People's Movement Manifesto - - - it is awesome! I liked it alot, although it is a reiteration of what most Communist Parties say. I enjoyed the fact that it was easy to read, and put in plain english.

It's worth reading. Especially in this climate of sectarianism and factionalization, it's refreshing to hear a document that's sole commitment is the exploited people of our world.

It's a breathe of fresh air comrades, I highly recommend it.

Manifesto of The Free People's Movement (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/manifesto.html) :hammer:

[GoaRedStar]

But I like your passion in renewing the manifesto. Capitalism is mutating into a benevolent system ... social democratic system in some ways. We need to watch out.



I highly disagree with this statement infact I believe that the opposite is happening especially in the most advance capitalist countries

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 12:46 PM

But I like your passion in renewing the manifesto. Capitalism is mutating into a benevolent system ... social democratic system in some ways. We need to watch out.



I highly disagree with this statement infact I believe that the opposite is happening especially in the most advance capitalist countries
I used to think the same as you.

But how about Capitalists providing good benefits ofr their workers (although exploitation is still on).
And for environmental issues, social responsibility is not a new weapon used by MNCs to fight off opposing voices.
With the mass amount of capital created, NGOs provided extensive help to the needies.... to cover the evil side of capitalism.

And last but the most, many poor wants to get rich, not helped, and elbowing their way to socialism They want to have a ticket to enjoy capitalism, and they are fighting for it.

Lets discuss.

[emokid08]

I think that both you guys are right. It really depends where though. Take for example the Nordic or Scandiniavian nations and then take the US or France or UK. I think it matters where you live.

It's true that the Capitalists are trying to appease or pacify the workers/pesants, but in other places things haven't gotten all that much better, and in many cases have actually gotten worse. i.e. France & US.

In a way the two if u r kind both right.

[More Fire for the People]

Any update to the Communist Manifesto would begin with this question: What is different now than in 1848?

Social-wise: homosexuality, queer struggle, and queery theory; feminism, women's liberty, and faux-liberation; ecology, environmentalism, and the advancement of science;

Economic-wise: corporations, liberal workers' councils — Germany, Scandanavia, et. al, and non-revolutionary unions; welfare state, nationalization, and public education; imperialism, global capitalism, and the awkward internationalism — the United Nations founded by both socialist and capitalist countries, the new "humanism" of pro-Americanism.

And then we must ask, how is the proletariat affected? What is the scientific analysis of these situations? the dialectical?

[fernando]

Perhaps we should not only focus on the proletariat but also on the intelligentia. The role of the proletariat in the productionprocess of a product is changing in our automated society in which human labour more and more gets replaced by machines.

Another thing we definately have to look at is the alienation of the people from the ideology and from the "big picture". If a person works and all the money/product/etc he/she makes of it goes to the state andhe/she never see sanything back from it this person would eventually be alienated from this idea of working for the "greater good" and would either go away or stop working. The 'worker' has to be shown that his work is appreciated and that it actually makes some sort of impact. Another thing is a higher reward for harder work.

Will you work harder while knowing that it will make practically no impact whatsoever? The idea of working and competition should remain I think.

We should also have to look at Cuba as an example, eventhough they are more of a pseudo socialist/communist state they do try to represent the ideology in one way or the other. We have to see why so many people try to leave Cuba though, why are the Cubans so scared that their baseball team will defect to the US for more money if we're this happy socialist society?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by fernando
We have to see why so many people try to leave Cuba though, why are the Cubans so scared that their baseball team will defect to the US for more money if we're this happy socialist society?

People try to leave Cuba for the same reason that people try to leave Mexico or Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic. Living in a "third world" economy really sucks!

Cuban baseball players may "defect" because they might become "instant millionaires" by signing with a major league ballclub in the U.S....not only escaping a "third world" economy but becoming quite comfortably well-situated in a first-world economy.

It's sort of a "no-brainer".

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[fernando]

People try to leave Cuba for the same reason that people try to leave Mexico or Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic. Living in a "third world" economy really sucks!

Cuban baseball players may "defect" because they might become "instant millionaires" by signing with a major league ballclub in the U.S....not only escaping a "third world" economy but becoming quite comfortably well-situated in a first-world economy.

It's sort of a "no-brainer".
Wouldnt this be a general problem communist states/revolution would have deal with, a population which thrives on personal ambition.

To focus on this part of your quote: "People try to leave Cuba for the same reason that people try to leave Mexico or Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic. Living in a "third world" economy really sucks!"

Would this mean that Cuba, eventhough it has the healthcare and education is not the "paradise" many leftists see/pretend it to be? Eventhough Cuba sort of shapes their own destiny it still sucks there.


Another thing which the communist manifesto might have to look at is the "individual" cases, as in the situations in certain areas, I dont think you can create a set of doctrines and plans which would work at every location and situation. Development programs learned this in the hard way, creating programs which were deployed all all across the world failing because it was designed on that local situation. Perhaps we should look at communism at a similar manner?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by fernando
Would this mean that Cuba, even though it has the healthcare and education is not the "paradise" many leftists see/pretend it to be?

Yep.

It's just better than all the other "third world" countries...that's all.

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[bolshevik butcher]

Yes, Cuba is porgressive and has a very high standard of living for a third wirld country. However the way some poeple on this board talk about it you would think it was a full functioning workers state complete with workers councils and a completley sovereign central soviet.

[KC]

Cuban baseball players may "defect" because they might become "instant millionaires" by signing with a major league ballclub in the U.S....not only escaping a "third world" economy but becoming quite comfortably well-situated in a first-world economy.

In the world baseball classic, Cuba's almost to the finals!!! They're the only team in the world baseball classic without a single MLB member.

[Commie Rat]

baseball sucks dick.
And you could only add to the maoism to the Communist Manifesto, if maoism actually had something to do with communism

[kurt]

I don't think at this point in time it would be possible for the manifesto to be updated and actually accepted by the vast majority of marxists. In a way, most "Communist Parties" update the manifesto in their own way with their draft programmes and the like. If people accept these "updates" they'll probably join the party/movement.

I don't think it would be practical to seek to update the manifesto and have it universally accepted, or even accepted by the majority. However, it's definately a must for any movement to include more recent developments in social struggle (gay rights, feminism, anti-racism) in their platform/programme.


Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 19 2006, 07:08 PM
baseball sucks dick.

I love it too! :wub: