The Post-War world

[Subcomandante Marcos]

How is the world going to change with this war, is it going yo change, will there be a radical change, will thing be the same, will there be a global revolutionary mood or this is only temporary ??

In my personal opinion I think the world when this conflict is over and things have settled down most people will forget it, as they tend to do, but people like me or the people who are in this forum wont forget in a long time whta the US has done. I will continue predicating the revolution and this is going to be one of my arguments to debate.

I already see most of my class and the people who surround me with american hate running through their veins. Maybe this is not going to happen inmediately but certainly it will be something resting upon the US Goverment.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think we should continue protesting everyday, like we've been doing during the war, untill Bush leaves office. Then we stop. People will see a clear intolerance for American bullshit.

[Umoja]

Bush isn't the problem. People are making this into an Anti-Bush movement. The Republicrats are the one's causing us all the problems. If people would just open their damn eyes, and see that if we had just elected Nader...... *Rambling off*

[Guest1]

no, it goes deeper than the republicans, and people are realizing that, I'm one of the organizers of a big student protest coalition here, and we're organizing future protests around the idea of deeper conflict than this war.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I realize that problem lies deeper than Bush or republicans or democrats, but we can't convince tens of millions of American people so easily.

Nader? I voted for McReynolds!

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Umoja on 2:10 am on Mar. 25, 2003
Bush isn't the problem. People are making this into an Anti-Bush movement. The Republicrats are the one's causing us all the problems. If people would just open their damn eyes, and see that if we had just elected Nader...... *Rambling off*


Ramble on, Umoja. I voted for Ralph Nader myself. Knew he wouldn't win, but went with my heart. And you know what? You are right in that it shouldn't be an anti-Bush movement. Bush is just a spokesperson for a corporate/oil/oldboy/manifest destiny- based/imperialistic/greedy philosophy. He has a team behind him. It's like, we can't blame Hitler for the entire holocaust. His henchmen did the work. Can't blame Charlie Manson... well... you know what I mean.

[YerbaMateJ]

Quote: from Che y Marijuana on 2:19 am on Mar. 25, 2003
no, it goes deeper than the republicans, and people are realizing that, I'm one of the organizers of a big student protest coalition here, and we're organizing future protests around the idea of deeper conflict than this war.


Che y Marijuana--- I want you to tell me what the "deeper conflict" is. I'm just curious...sounds interesting...

[Dirty Jersey]

you asked what is going to change so ill give you a possible outcome. saudi arabia sells america alot of its oil (americas not saudi arabias). we place a pro-western government in iraq. iraq now lowers the price of oil to america and its western allies. saudi arabia is now forced to undercut new iraqi oil prices or install a similar pro-western government to survive. america now has a significant foothold in the middle east. a domino effect ensues. countries such as russia and france who are owed billions of dollars by the current iraqi government get fucked. you cant collect a debt from a government that doesnt exist anymore. of course this is just a theory and definitely up to debate.

[Larissa]

Maybe not for oil but...

Haliburton has been awarded contracts for putting out fires in oil wells and rebuilding infrastructure. The studies for this deal were drawn up in November.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news/compa...racts/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news/companies/war_contracts/index.htm)

It sucks.

I hope whatever the outcome of this war may be, the whole world ends up realizing the need for true justice and the need for "getting rid" of any type of imperialism.

[Dirty Jersey]

amen sista. hopefully one day well learn to be cool with mother fuckers but i dont see it happening in my lifetime unfortunately.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Subcomandante Marcos on 1:16 am on Mar. 25, 2003
How is the world going to change with this war, is it going yo change, will there be a radical change, will thing be the same, will there be a global revolutionary mood or this is only temporary ??

In my personal opinion I think the world when this conflict is over and things have settled down most people will forget it, as they tend to do, but people like me or the people who are in this forum wont forget in a long time whta the US has done. I will continue predicating the revolution and this is going to be one of my arguments to debate.

I already see most of my class and the people who surround me with american hate running through their veins. Maybe this is not going to happen inmediately but certainly it will be something resting upon the US Goverment.



The US resentment will never leave.

Despite the fact that people will forget about the war the hatred will still be their even if they can't remember why they are angry.


The UN will be filled with tension.


People will forget as they already have with Afghanastan


However the anti US feeling have humped to a point that wont leave for years to come

[Dirty Jersey]

the un is a joke. they only put up with us cause the headquarters is in new york (a mistake. i would have put it in a poorer nation to help boost their economy even if only a tiny bit) and we foot the majority of the bill. we also supply the most significant military force in the un. everybody hates us but when they need help who do they crawl to? as far as the american public most of us will forget about the war by the time the next new reality tv show comes on. just a thought.

[Subcomandante Marcos]

The UN is not the real problem, everyone likes the Un, the multilateralism, equity, but the problem here is the U$. The way they are just stepping on the UN is dispecable, they think just because the are opressing every other nation they can opress them all together now.

The US must be changed from within, all you gringos have the power to influence your peers and show them what their 'american dream' is doing to the low lifes that cultivate their food

[Dirty Jersey]

i know. my theory is that we are uninformed and not willing to learn. people will wake up slowly but what matters is that they wake up. dont expect it to happen overnight since this could take years if not decades unfortunately.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Dirty Jersey on 12:55 am on Mar. 27, 2003
the un is a joke. they only put up with us cause the headquarters is in new york (a mistake. i would have put it in a poorer nation to help boost their economy even if only a tiny bit) and we foot the majority of the bill. we also supply the most significant military force in the un. everybody hates us but when they need help who do they crawl to? as far as the american public most of us will forget about the war by the time the next new reality tv show comes on. just a thought.


So basicaly you consider the UN another Delian League?


Well I'm sorry but this isn't the Hellenistic era, America is a far cry from Athens, and the World wont and can't stand for our actions

The UN is a good concept, the US is just far to arrogant to listen to it

[Dirty Jersey]

agreed. the world shouldnt stand for it and neither should anyone else. i never claimed to be part of the american majority i.e. those who openly oppose the un. i support the concept of the un but as i stated earlier with america at the controls of the un it cant work.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Dirty Jersey on 2:39 am on Mar. 27, 2003
agreed. the world shouldnt stand for it and neither should anyone else. i never claimed to be part of the american majority i.e. those who openly oppose the un. i support the concept of the un but as i stated earlier with america at the controls of the un it cant work.


That isn't to say that the international community is powerless

America wont attack N. Korea cuz they know China and Russia will get in the brawl and they can't handle fighting all three of them.


Other countries can back the US down, because the US is a bully

you get two other bullies and it wont fight