communism\Utopianism

[Mariam]

Pardon me if what im saying seems stupid. It's just an idea that crossed my mind after reading an essay about communist society.
Im here to learn. Im sure i'll make mistakes which is a natural thing in the learning process, but hopefuly there will be someone to correct or to illuminate me..
A communist society is a society the disannuls classes, with no armed organization, or even money, deleting automaticaly all conflicts of the modern society (these conflicts are the fruits of capitalism).
Isn't it somewho a utopian society which seems to be based on merely hypothetical bases??
It seems impossable to establish a truly communist society on solid ground...
:blush:

[Orthodox Marxist]

A communist society is a society the disannuls classes, with no armed organization, or even money, deleting automaticaly all conflicts of the modern society (these conflicts are the fruits of capitalism).

A Communist society is a stateless classless society that aims for the abolition of all personal property as well as the abolition of the monetary system. Armed organization would only be used from the time of the revolution until the end of the transitional workers state (socialism).


Isn't it somewho a utopian society which seems to be based on merely hypothetical bases??It seems impossable to establish a truly communist society on solid ground...

Yes a Communist society is somewhat utopian in nature. When Marx wrote of his invisioned society all of his theories were hypothetical we dont really know if Communism as a system will succeed but we believe it will.

Its not Impossible to establish a Communistic society the working class is becoming more disillusioned all the time it may take a few centuries for Capitalism to degrade away but it will eventually happen. History has taught us that society is in constant motion capitalism like any other form of government throughout history will eventually die off and be replaced.

[Mariam]

[QUOTE]Its not Impossible to establish a Communistic society the working class is becoming more disillusioned all the time it may take a few centuries for Capitalism to degrade away but it will eventually happen

Aha,,, thanks.
So it's all about waiting for the total collapse of Capitalism.
And i do agree on your point about the working class, but i still don't understand the possibilty of establishing a Communist society.
It seems like there are so many difficulties even among the working class.

[Orthodox Marxist]

Aha,,, thanks.
So it's all about waiting for the total collapse of Capitalism.
And i do agree on your point about the working class, but i still don't understand the possibilty of establishing a Communist society.
It seems like there are so many difficulties even among the working class.

No its about waiting until an appropriate time as the working class has a fully developed sense of class conciseness. At this time the material conditions of the working class will be so far degraded that revolutionary overthrow of the ruling class will be the only alternative.

Establishing a Communistic society is indeed a possibility just look at the trend bush is setting with his far right immoral government. More and more people everyday are turing away from the right and welcoming leftist ideology.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Yes a Communist society is somewhat utopian in nature. When Marx wrote of his invisioned society all of his theories were hypothetical we dont really know if Communism as a system will succeed but we believe it will.

I am not 100% with you here.

If something happens, then as we understand it, something caused this to be so. If something causes behaviour that would threaten the success of a communist society, then it must be removed before communism truly exists. This is what the transitory state is for.

When there is nothing to cause the behaviour that threatens society (disenchanment, alienation, unequal oppurtunity etc) then why should we assume that this would happen? Such an assumption is useful in abourgeois world, but it is not founded.

Even is there was a number of psychologically predetermined threats, we would be in a better position to deal with them. Also, and this is perhaps where the "utopian" comes in, no society is faulted on a single exception to the rule. There is an elastic capability within any society for dealing with exceptions, and communism need be no different in this respect. However it will likely be different in how it deals with these.