Images of US captures on TV

[Appex]

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FUCK USA FUCK BUSH

(Edited by Appex at 6:09 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)


(Edited by Appex at 6:12 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

[Larissa]

Welcome to the forum, Appex.

There more info about this at:
Channels Struggle on Images of Captured and Slain Soldiers
By BILL CARTER with JANE PERLEZ


elevision news organizations faced their first wrenching decision about how to use graphic video images of the war with Iraq yesterday, as a videotape of captured and killed American soldiers was withheld from broadcast for most of the day.

The networks were in possession of the tape, first aired on the Arab satellite news channel Al Jazeera, since about 9 a.m. yesterday. But after an initial broadcast on CBS yesterday morning, they all declined to put any portion of it on the air, respecting a Pentagon request not to broadcast the tape until the families of those killed and taken prisoner had been informed.

Al Jazeera obtained the video of five American soldiers captured as prisoners of war from Iraq television, shortly after the incident occurred yesterday near Nasiriya in southern Iraq, the station said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/24/internat....html?tntemail1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/24/international/worldspecial/24TAPE.html?tntemail1)

And:

American prisoners paraded by Iraqis

· Two British soldiers missing
· Fury over TV pictures of dead GIs
· Claim of chemical factory find

Ewen MacAskill and Oliver Burkeman in Washington
Monday March 24, 2003
The Guardian


The US and Britain suffered a series of setbacks yesterday when 10 American marines were killed, 14 were wounded and 14 more, including two British soldiers, went missing in action following stiffer than expected Iraqi resistance.
It was the American military's worst day since the "Black Hawk Down" debacle in Somalia a decade ago.

At 3.15am this morning the Ministry of Defence confirmed that "two British soldiers are reported missing following an attack on British vehicles in southern Iraq on March 23. Efforts are being made to find and recover the two soldiers".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,276...,920645,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,920645,00.html)

And a report on the coallition casualties by CNN
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forc...ties/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/index.html)

[Soul Rebel]

This is sad, but it wouldn't be happening if this war wasn't happening. It pisses me off that Bush sits there and says how sorry he is, but they aren't his fucking kids, or his siblings, or neices/nephews, etc. Im sure he's real sorry. If he's so sorry and feeling horrible about this why doesn't he fucking send everyone home to make sure this doesn't continue- to save the lives and safety of Am. and Iraquis? He doesn't care, he just wants to prove how tough Am. is. Fuck em.

[chamo]

This should not have happened and as America are the aggressors here, it really is their fault that this happened to their own soldiers, though this does break the Geneva convention.
However, America has broken the convention too. Remember Guantanamo Bay and other Taliban prisioner camps inside Afghanistan. Two suspected Al-quaeda members were beaten to death in the Afghanistan camps, though america do not call them "prisoners of war". How is it that people captured in a war situation are not "POWs". The reason that they kept prisoners in Guantanamo Bay (Cuba) was so that they did not have to comply by US law and prisoners were foten tortured, kept in crowded cells, blindfolded and paralysed. However, it does not seem to matter to the Geneva Convention as these are merely "rouge" humans.

[Xvall]

Not to be rude, but; are there any other words in your vocabulary?

[Pete]

Did Iraq sign the Geneva Accord/Convention/Someotherofficalname??

[Soul Rebel]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:05 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
Not to be rude, but; are there any other words in your vocabulary?


Are you talking to me or Appex? I know you're not trying to be rude. That's just my way of talking when angry. I watched the new all day and my anger has been building up. So if i use the f. word all day, you'll know i am mad :)

[standup 2003]

i think that america should keep its fucking nose in their own buisness. if they would just worry about home problems than the world would be better off. if the would'nt of told people than those two god damn buildings wouldn't of had what was coming. people can you agree withe me . i have sleep ,ate, worked, ,and learned in the fucking us for 18 years. about a year ago i said fuck it. im tired of the united states goverment telling me an others like me what to do. they can have their way of living and i have mine. for all i care lets not blow up bagdad. lets get the true enemy, lets get the true fucking enemy ,the usa!!!!

[captain anarchy]

i think war is fucking stupid as fuck. i'm with ant-flag's a new kind of army. i'm against war. the government is in the war mostly for oil they are fucking lieing to you all about how it's not. they hide shit about it from you to cover their asses. the president is just trying to finish what his father didn't. war is not to keep the peace. it is the cause of the killing, rapeing, and stealing from the inocent people who want nothing to do with the cause. they aren't savages but the are people like you like me. the president is a fucking pussy cause he send the commen people to settel his scores in stead of handeling it himself and dieing for himself we can always replace him even though we should have no president instead of trying to replace the lives of the many casualtys of war .

[hawarameen]

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[Appex]

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(Edited by Appex at 1:07 pm on Mar. 25, 2003)

[Zombie]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:15 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
Did Iraq sign the Geneva Accord/Convention/Someotherofficalname??

i was just wondering if anybody could answer that please. thx

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

You're all being blinded by radical conter-propaganda.

You're falling for the same thing that you claim capitalists fall for.

How can you praise the treatment of the soldiers. American or not, they are people doing their job. And being treated against the rules of their profession.

Some people need to wake up. We all know Bush is an idiot...but what the Iraqi regime does is just plain wrong.

You'll all go on about America did this and America did that so Iraq treating them badly is fine....

"An eye for an eye will only end up making the whole world blind"

Nobody will benefit from your narrow minded attitudes.

[Zombie]

ok fuck nobody wants to answer the earlier question so i'll do it myself.
JUNICHI, yes Iraq apparently ratified the Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War/ Geneva, 27 July 1929.
i'm busy studying shit about conflicts in the modern capitalist system, but heres a link where u can see what treaties iraq ratified/signed/accessed and such.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebPAYS?OpenView
just look for iraq in the list and click on its bullet.
this other link is the main one,
http://www.icrc.org/eng/party_gc#a4
have fun
AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING, PEOPLE.

[Subcomandante Marcos]

i think the army is the most fucked up institution of all. Of course they sometimes do good thing like when they use their armament to protect the people of their own country in assaults or in kidnaping situations, but its also true that they are blind and mindless, they are the most narrow minded, primitive and savage form of life.

i had a lot of bad experience in my country with the military that killed their own people in 73', been a militar is wrong from the beginning, all they bring is devastation and genocide, people shloudnt cry at this surface problem...they should see the bigger picture:" Why are they there in the first place ?? Will there be anything happening if the US hadnt been involved in every country for the last 60 years ??

you answer that

[Dirty Jersey]

i shouldnt post this because i already know how people will respond. blah blah blah sanctions killed x number blah blah blah he did this she did that they and did such and such. without placing blame anywhere dont you people feel bad that these pows on either side could be killed? and whats with the save the children info-mercial? p.s. much props to larissa and zombie for actual information. thanks.

[Rock1Renegade3]

Quote: from standup 2003 on 10:08 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
i think that america should keep its fucking nose in their own buisness. if they would just worry about home problems than the world would be better off.

I totally agree with you, economy is way down and LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) sucks. Our public school need more help than anything else. But have we gotten the money we were promised to help better our schools? NO, it's all goin to the war to "LIBERATE IRAQ"...

[Soul Rebel]

I agree with you Rock1Renegade3, basically every school system is in trouble. We all need the money for education. My state university upped tuition and cut way too many classes, and some majors are even being eliminated. I dont think this government realizes that to solve social problems education is the key. Without ed. people are stuck in the constant oppressive cycle of racism, classism, sexism. To them spending money on war in order to stay on top as the superpower power is much more important.

My thing is this: why the hell should we have to pay for our education anyway? I consider it to be a human right. It opens the door to everything and allows one to move up the social ladder, which of course leads to more and better opportunities. The educational system here is a corporate system. They make money off us. As well as the fact corporations are also making money off of us because schools allow them (Coca-Cola, Nike, etc.) to advertise there (ex.- those book covers they give you, the Got Milk posters, vending machines, etc). Its a bunch of crap. No wonder people dont take education seriously here.

[lifetrnal]

I find it very intersting that the United States government and major American media are calling these pictures warcrimes violations. Since these pictures were aired by Iraqi TV and Al Jezzera I've heard on at least 3 news channels (CNN, MSNBC, and FOX) how it is illegal to photgraph dead soldiers, it is illegal to photgraph POWS, AND it is illegal to interview POWS. My point is this, ALL THREE of those same stations have shown pictures of bloated and burnt Iraqi dead. All three have shown photographs of handcuffed Iraqi POWs, and ALL three have shown interviews with Iraqi POWs who are telling the world how evil Saddam Hussien is.
My question is this... HOW is it that no one has called them of this blatent hypocracy. Al Jezzera has been hacked and had its reporters expelled from the NYSE and the NASDEC and complained about free speach rights instead of pointing out this blatent hypocracy. I'm left at a loss.