Slobodan MiloÅ¡ević

[piet11111]

i am just told milosevic is dead.

in 8 minutes from now a special newsbulletin is to be broadcasted apperantly.

im not sure if its a rumour or true but i will update you later.

[piet11111]

Milosevic dies in prison cell

Saturday, March 11, 2006; Posted: 7:53 a.m. EST (12:53 GMT)

(CNN) -- Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has been found dead in his prison cell in The Hague, Netherlands, according to the United Nations war crimes tribunal. He was 64.

An official in the chief prosecutor's office said Milosevic was found at about 10 a.m. and that he apparently had been dead for several hours. An autopsy will be performed, the official said.

The tribunal did not say how Milosevic had died. French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters Milosevic had died of natural causes.

"Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit," the U.N. tribunal said in a statement, according to Reuters.

"The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead."

The tribunal said the Dutch police and coroners were called in and started an inquiry. A full autopsy has been ordered. Milosevic's family has been informed, it added.

The former Serbian president had been on trial since 2002 on 66 charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

He had been held at the Hague since 2001 when he was transferred from the Serbian capital Belgrade following his overthrow in 2000.

Milosevic had suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure which had repeatedly interrupted his trial in the Hague.

The U.N. Security Council established the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in 1993.

The 66 counts included Milosevic's role in the fighting that plagued the disputed Serbian province of Kosovo and the civil warfare that erupted in Bosnia and Croatia after the fall of Yugoslavia.

Ethnic strife raged in Yugoslavia's six republics as the nation began to dissolve after the fall of communism. Milosevic's trial began February 12, 2002.

Milosevic was defending himself against allegations by authorities that he backed and sometimes authorized violence by Serb forces.

He faced charges of crimes against humanity, violations of the laws and customs of war and genocide, a charge emanating from the Bosnian conflict, in which thousands of Bosnian Muslims were killed or chased from their homes by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica and Sarajevo. (Read about charges being filed in those massacres)

Milosevic pleaded not guilty to all counts, saying that he wasn't responsible for ordering killings and rapes. He could have been sent to prison for life if found guilty.

The prosecution closed its case in February 2004, and Milosevic was given six months to prepare his defense, which began in August 2004.

His defense focused solely on the Kosovo indictments, seen as the most potent because Milosevic was directly in charge of the Serb-led troops during the fighting in Kosovo, a majority Albanian area key to Serbian identity.

The former Yugoslav president had called 48 witnesses to back up his arguments. He requested more time for witnesses, but was denied.

[RedGeorge]

I hope he died in intense pain.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 01:23 PM
I hope he died in intense pain.
You are a perfect reflection of the cruelty and malice of the pro-imperialist "left".

[Clutch]

...And with any luck Radko Mladic is next.

[Andy Bowden]

You don't have to be an imperialist to not mourn Milosevics death (although many undoubtedly are imperialists), the man was a class enemy who'se Chetnik tendencies helped to break up Yugoslavia - a rare example of harmony among different peoples.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Mar 11 2006, 01:33 PM--> (Matthijs @ Mar 11 2006, 01:33 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 01:23 PM
I hope he died in intense pain.
You are a perfect reflection of the cruelty and malice of the pro-imperialist "left". [/b]
what is wrong with his statement ?

its clear milosevic deserves all the pain the world can offer.
and this death of his is such an easy way out for that murderer.

[The Grey Blur]

Let us par-tay

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 01:44 PM
what is wrong with his statement ?

its clear milosevic deserves all the pain the world can offer.
and this death of his is such an easy way out for that murderer.
False, it is only an easy way out for the NATO murderers, who waged an illegal imperialist war against him, and now no longer have to take responsibility for this fact, and for the kangaroo court in The Hague, which recently denied Milosevic to go to Moscow for specialised treatment for his disease. There is no way the ICTY could have condemned him without looking like the military court it is. They are the ones who had the most to gain from this, and you're cheering them on. It's disgusting.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Agreed.

[Jadan ja]

Only a few days after death of Babich?

[Eoin Dubh]

Originally posted by Jadan [email protected] 11 2006, 02:19 PM
Only a few days after death of Babich?
<_< strange indeed.....suspicious almost.

[Andy Bowden]

I agree the trial of Milosevic is a farce, a victors tribunal. But then again so is the trial of Saddam - that doesn&#39;t mean we support the men in question, simply because they are against the US.

[Revolution 9]

I just read the comcast news bulletin.

I actually feel sorry for the bastard.

I wonder if he really just dropped or if someone slipped him some poison...

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 11 2006, 02:30 PM
I agree the trial of Milosevic is a farce, a victors tribunal. But then again so is the trial of Saddam - that doesn&#39;t mean we support the men in question, simply because they are against the US.
True. Does not mean that it should be cheered on, as some people here do.


I wonder if he really just dropped or if someone slipped him some poison...
No poison was "slipped", I think, but what could be seen as a poison is the many years he spent in prison in poor health, especially when, at the end of his life, he was denied specialised treatment in Moscow. This position is taken by Milosevic&#39; wife, his brother and his Socialist Party.

[studentsi]

Well hopefully his death can draw a line underneath some of the horrible actions that happened in that region and help them all move on.
He should have paid for what he did, but the trial was a farce - primarily a pr stunt for both the NATO forces and Milosevic himself

[McLeft]

I think he died like a chicken, I wonder if his tongue was sticking out or if his lips went purple.

ha,ha,ha, lucky bastard, he died his way out of sentencing, anyway, one more down, a few more to go ;)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

U.S. committee to defend Milosevic

By John Catalinotto

As the so-called trial of the former Yugoslav president in NATO&#39;s court in The Hague, Netherlands, nears its midpoint, Slobodan Milosevic received some new support. On Sept. 13 some two dozen writers, human rights and anti-war activists, academics and attorneys joined to form the U.S. section of the Inter national Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic (ICDSM).

Most of the members distinguished themselves during the time of NATO&#39;s war on Yugoslavia by publicly opposing U.S. and NATO intervention against the former socialist country in the Balkans. Dr. Michael Parenti of the University of California-Berkeley has agreed to chair the U.S. section of the ICDSM.

This group in its founding statement said that "the U.S. National Committee [of the ICDSM] rejects the legitimacy of the trial of Milosevic and we view this trial as an act of political warfare against the people of Serbia and against the basic democratic rights of the whole of humanity that cannot be allowed to succeed."

The committee demands an adjournment of the trial to allow Milosevic to receive proper medical care and to have up to two years to prepare his defense. Milosevic has been defending himself during the entire prosecution case, which has now lasted over 18 months. It also demands an end to the forced isolation of the former Yugoslav president from his family.

The U.S. and NATO leaders originally planned to make Milosevic&#39;s case a show trial. His capable political and legal defense, waged almost single-handedly against the court&#39;s apparatus, has exposed NATO aggression and the weakness of the prosecution case.

Many of the U.S. committee members believe that the current questioning of U.S. foreign policy following the disastrous aggression in Iraq gives a new opportunity to re-raise all the questions raised by the earlier U.S. aggression in the Balkans.

[Abood]

I&#39;ve heard about him a couple of years ago during his presidency, but I hardly know anything about him. Can anyone please tell me about him?
Thanx

[RedAnarchist]

Milosevic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87)

[Sir Aunty Christ]

And he&#39;s dead.

[BuyOurEverything]

Milosevic feared he was being poisoned: lawyer

BELGRADE (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned in his detention cell in The Hague, his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic said on Saturday hours after the tribunal announced Milosevic&#39;s death.

"Today, I have filed an official request to the tribunal to have the autopsy carried out in Moscow, having in mind his claims yesterday that he was being poisoned in the jail," Tomanovic told reporters in The Hague.

Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow.

"I demanded protection for Slobodan Milosevic over his claims that he was being poisoned. I still haven&#39;t received any reply and that&#39;s all I have to say at this time," the lawyer said.

Milosevic conducted his own defense at the war crimes trial. Tomanovic acted as his legal representative in other matters as well as helping him prepare his defense.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....EVIC-POISON.xml (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-03-11T180846Z_01_L11764575_RTRUKOC_0_US-WARCRIMES-MILOSEVIC-POISON.xml)

[Wanted Man]

BOE: Whoa. :blink: If that&#39;s the case, I hope the people associated with his defence in The Hague immediately arrange for his body to be transported to Moscow for a thorough examination; if it remains in the hands of the Tribunal or the Dutch government, I doubt such a thing could happen without the results being influenced(i.e., suppressed) out of ulterior motives.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 02:02 PM
False, it is only an easy way out for the NATO murderers, who waged an illegal imperialist war against him, and now no longer have to take responsibility for this fact, and for the kangaroo court in The Hague, which recently denied Milosevic to go to Moscow for specialised treatment for his disease. There is no way the ICTY could have condemned him without looking like the military court it is. They are the ones who had the most to gain from this, and you&#39;re cheering them on. It&#39;s disgusting.
Yes, NATO did wage a terrible imperialist war against him, but he created an imperialist war so much worse. The fucker deserves to die like the rat that he is, and deserves all the pain brought to him. I don&#39;t care if he has a fucking heart condition, the bastard was evil. The NATO propoganda didn&#39;t tell me this, but the caskets of my family members did.

[Andy Bowden]

Matthjis, what exaclty is your stance on Milosevic, out of interest?

[Revolution 9]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 06:59 PM
Milosevic feared he was being poisoned: lawyer

BELGRADE (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned in his detention cell in The Hague, his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic said on Saturday hours after the tribunal announced Milosevic&#39;s death.

"Today, I have filed an official request to the tribunal to have the autopsy carried out in Moscow, having in mind his claims yesterday that he was being poisoned in the jail," Tomanovic told reporters in The Hague.

Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow.

"I demanded protection for Slobodan Milosevic over his claims that he was being poisoned. I still haven&#39;t received any reply and that&#39;s all I have to say at this time," the lawyer said.

Milosevic conducted his own defense at the war crimes trial. Tomanovic acted as his legal representative in other matters as well as helping him prepare his defense.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....EVIC-POISON.xml (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-03-11T180846Z_01_L11764575_RTRUKOC_0_US-WARCRIMES-MILOSEVIC-POISON.xml)
Yeah, and what did I say?

I&#39;m always right guys, lol, the old fucker was poisoned.


Yes, NATO did wage a terrible imperialist war against him, but he created an imperialist war so much worse. The fucker deserves to die like the rat that he is, and deserves all the pain brought to him. I don&#39;t care if he has a fucking heart condition, the bastard was evil. The NATO propoganda didn&#39;t tell me this, but the caskets of my family members did.

I&#39;m not sure if I would choose Albanian and Bosnian fascists over Serbian imperialists. :rolleyes:

In case you didn&#39;t notice, the war on the Albanian side was more imperialist. The Albanians wanted Serbian land. You might argue that there were more Albanians living in Kosovo, but what right does it give the Albanians to demand reunification with their country of origin? Do you think that Southern Cali should be given to Mexico?

Although I am against any kind of genocide, I don&#39;t really see what justifies any imperialist war, even if it is against another imperialist nation also waging an imperialist war.

[Xiao Banfa]

Do you think that Southern Cali should be given to Mexico?


Fuck yeah, Viva ATZLAN&#33; You anti-Chicano cabron.

[xprol]

Just listen to the "anti-authoritarians" celebrating death in capitals prisons.
Of course it&#39;s all just more mindless posturing of the cowardly little bourgeois hiding behind the bloody skirts of the capitalist state.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Mar 11 2006, 02:02 PM--> (Matthijs @ Mar 11 2006, 02:02 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 01:44 PM
what is wrong with his statement ?

its clear milosevic deserves all the pain the world can offer.
and this death of his is such an easy way out for that murderer.
False, it is only an easy way out for the NATO murderers, who waged an illegal imperialist war against him, and now no longer have to take responsibility for this fact, and for the kangaroo court in The Hague, which recently denied Milosevic to go to Moscow for specialised treatment for his disease. There is no way the ICTY could have condemned him without looking like the military court it is. They are the ones who had the most to gain from this, and you&#39;re cheering them on. It&#39;s disgusting. [/b]
damn you are right.

i never really looked into that war much but what i have seen i always assumed was the fault of Milošević.
the way massacres always managed to get videotaped and broadcasted on tv.

i was much younger then but still i need to look into such things more before mindlessly assuming its good he died.

[RedGeorge]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Mar 11 2006, 01:33 PM--> (Matthijs @ Mar 11 2006, 01:33 PM)
[email protected] 11 2006, 01:23 PM
I hope he died in intense pain.
You are a perfect reflection of the cruelty and malice of the pro-imperialist "left". [/b]
"pro-imperialist"? For fuck&#39;s sake. I just don&#39;t agree with mass murder, no matter what the circumstances. As far as I&#39;m concerned he was bloody lucky to die when he did, thus avoiding being convicted for his crimes. It&#39;s a shame he couldn&#39;t be sent down, but I guess the world becomes a slightly better place without him.

And try to refrain from calling me &#39;left&#39; in quotation marks. I&#39;m as left as they come...

[Tr|ggEr[KPJ]]

You have to understand that the whole world watched broadcasts from American reporters, who were aganst Milosevic at that time, so they only showed what Serbs have done, never what Bosnians or Croations did. Some time ago a video was broacasted that Alijas muslims have taped. They claimed that they were trained by Osama Bin Laden, and showed severed heads of Serbs which they stuck on wooden stakes. I dont know why they are not in on trial.....

[Qen]

Maybe none of you were in Bosnia or Kosovo during the war. All i know is that he deserved to die, but it&#39;s too bad he didn&#39;t get his verdict before. Milosevic was an manipulating nazi, who&#39;s intensions were to wype out Kosovo and Bosnia. Let&#39;s just hope that Kosovo get&#39;s it&#39;s intependence.

Thanks&#33;

[Tr|ggEr[KPJ]]

Milosevic was an manipulating nazi, who&#39;s intensions were to wype out Kosovo and Bosnia. Let&#39;s just hope that Kosovo get&#39;s it&#39;s intependence.

So are the leaders of Bosnian and Albianian Muslims....

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Revolution [email protected] 12 2006, 12:22 AM

Yes, NATO did wage a terrible imperialist war against him, but he created an imperialist war so much worse. The fucker deserves to die like the rat that he is, and deserves all the pain brought to him. I don&#39;t care if he has a fucking heart condition, the bastard was evil. The NATO propoganda didn&#39;t tell me this, but the caskets of my family members did.

I&#39;m not sure if I would choose Albanian and Bosnian fascists over Serbian imperialists. :rolleyes:

In case you didn&#39;t notice, the war on the Albanian side was more imperialist. The Albanians wanted Serbian land. You might argue that there were more Albanians living in Kosovo, but what right does it give the Albanians to demand reunification with their country of origin? Do you think that Southern Cali should be given to Mexico?

Although I am against any kind of genocide, I don&#39;t really see what justifies any imperialist war, even if it is against another imperialist nation also waging an imperialist war.
How was the Albanian side &#39;more imperialist&#39;? I acknowledge that there are many criminal leaders involved with the war, but I&#39;m just celebrating the death of one of the worst ones.

The Kosovars didn&#39;t want to reunite with Albania, they wanted to become independent. Isn&#39;t that why people here side with the Palestinians?

The Federal Yugoslav Army and the Kosovo Liberation Army were just two evils, I know. But there is no excuse for the mass butchery in Bosnia and Croatia, and the targeting of civilians in Kosovo.

It doesn&#39;t matter who prevents genocide, as long as they stop it from happening. I don&#39;t care who stops the Sudanese genocide of Black Darfurs, as long as the killing stops.

[вор в законе]

Milosevic has been prosecuted in that kangaroo court for war crimes simply because he ressisted against Western Imperialism in order to save his nation, Yugoslavia. In the mean time Tudjman an outspoken Ustaše who in his infamous book &#39;&#39;Bespuća povijesne zbiljnost&#39;&#39; attempted to rewrite the history of the WWII, and Alija Izetbegović an Islamic fundamentalist who during the WWII joned the &#39;&#39;Mladi Muslimani&#39;&#39; another fascist group who were collaborators of the Nazis during the WWII, have been glorified from the West as pacifisist.

It seems that some of our comrades are not aware of the effects Rambouillet Treaty on April 1999 or the instigations of President Helmut Kohl of West Germany during the early 90&#39;s when Croatia and Slovenia declared independence.

Milosevic used the Serbian radicals in order to save his nation, Yugoslavia. He himself was not a Serbian radical or a chetnik. He was a Yugoslav and regardless on whether he did wrong deeds or not i support him like i will support any nation that is ressisting against the fascist Imperialists who supposedely wanted to save ethnic minorities from a non existent outcoming genocide, while meantime in the real Genocide of Rwanda 800000 people were being butchered in the space of 100 days.

Yugoslavia , you see, was too strong for some Western European countries such as France and Germany who are the one&#39;s who invited the Americans to do the dirty job.

[321zero]

They want people to believe that Yugoslavia &#39;dissolved&#39; by itself rather than being dismembered by imperialist vultures.

The war started in Croatia with the ethnic cleansing of Kriena Serbs following Germany&#39;s unilateral recognition of Croatian and Slovenian independence, and started in Bosnia with the USA&#39;s unilateral recognition of Bosnian independence without reference to the desires of the 33% Serbian population.

[321zero]

Those who crow about his death by withholding of medical treatment, but who forget to point out the complicity of Clinton, Kohl and Major, are embarrassingly credulous.

Don&#39;t believe the hype&#33;

[Janus]

It seems that Milosevic&#39;s death may have been caused by foul play.

BBC News

Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned just a day before he died in his cell at the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague, his lawyer has said.
Zdenko Tomanovic told reporters Mr Milosevic had complained of "strong drugs in his system only used for treating leprosy or tuberculosis".

Dutch TV cited an unnamed source saying such traces were found in his blood.

The tribunal is waiting the results of an autopsy carried out on the indicted former Yugoslav president on Sunday.

A Serbian doctor observed the autopsy.

Mr Milosevic died on Saturday and had been suffering from heart problems.

UN chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte has refused to comment on claims that he could have been poisoned or committed suicide.

"Until we have precise results [from the autopsy] it&#39;s rumours," Ms del Ponte told journalists.

&#39;Rumours&#39;

Mr Tomanovic showed journalists in The Hague a copy of Mr Milosevic&#39;s hand-written letter - addressed to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"He said: &#39;They would like to poison me. I&#39;m seriously concerned and worried&#39;," Mr Tomanovic said, adding that Mr Milosevic had been citing a medical report from 12 January.

Mr Milosevic had requested permission to travel to Moscow for medical treatment, but the tribunal had refused, fearing that he might not return to The Hague.

The tribunal also argued that Mr Milosevic was getting competent medical supervision in The Hague.

Dutch public television NOS reported on Sunday that a blood sample taken from Mr Milosevic some time between November and January had shown traces of "unusual" foreign substances.

The report said the unnamed drugs - which were often used to treat leprosy or tuberculosis - neutralised the medicine Mr Milosevic was taking for high blood pressure and heart problems.

NOS cited an unidentified "adviser" to the UN war crimes tribunal as the source for its report.

Mr Milosevic died aged 64, just months before the scheduled end of his trial for war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990s.

His family blames his death on The Hague tribunal.

Most-wanted suspects

Ms del Ponte said she expected initial results of the autopsy on Mr Milosevic on Sunday evening or Monday morning, although she noted that results of toxicology tests could take longer.
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Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned just a day before he died in his cell at the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague, his lawyer has said.
Zdenko Tomanovic told reporters Mr Milosevic had complained of "strong drugs in his system only used for treating leprosy or tuberculosis".

Dutch TV cited an unnamed source saying such traces were found in his blood.

The tribunal is waiting the results of an autopsy carried out on the indicted former Yugoslav president on Sunday.

A Serbian doctor observed the autopsy.

Mr Milosevic died on Saturday and had been suffering from heart problems.

UN chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte has refused to comment on claims that he could have been poisoned or committed suicide.

"Until we have precise results [from the autopsy] it&#39;s rumours," Ms del Ponte told journalists.

&#39;Rumours&#39;

Mr Tomanovic showed journalists in The Hague a copy of Mr Milosevic&#39;s hand-written letter - addressed to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

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"He said: &#39;They would like to poison me. I&#39;m seriously concerned and worried&#39;," Mr Tomanovic said, adding that Mr Milosevic had been citing a medical report from 12 January.

Mr Milosevic had requested permission to travel to Moscow for medical treatment, but the tribunal had refused, fearing that he might not return to The Hague.

The tribunal also argued that Mr Milosevic was getting competent medical supervision in The Hague.

Dutch public television NOS reported on Sunday that a blood sample taken from Mr Milosevic some time between November and January had shown traces of "unusual" foreign substances.

The report said the unnamed drugs - which were often used to treat leprosy or tuberculosis - neutralised the medicine Mr Milosevic was taking for high blood pressure and heart problems.

NOS cited an unidentified "adviser" to the UN war crimes tribunal as the source for its report.

Mr Milosevic died aged 64, just months before the scheduled end of his trial for war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990s.

His family blames his death on The Hague tribunal.

Most-wanted suspects

Ms del Ponte said she expected initial results of the autopsy on Mr Milosevic on Sunday evening or Monday morning, although she noted that results of toxicology tests could take longer.

MILOSEVIC TRIAL FACTS
295 witnesses testified
5,000 exhibits presented in court
466 days of hearings


Death divides Balkan press

She said Mr Milosevic&#39;s death made it even more urgent for Serbia to arrest the most wanted Bosnian Serb war crimes fugitives, Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic.

"Now more than ever I expect Serbia to finally arrest and transfer Mladic and Karadzic to The Hague as soon as possible," she told a news conference.

"I deeply regret the death of Slobodan Milosevic," she said, explaining that it "deprives the victims of the justice they need and deserve".

Mr Milosevic had been held at the UN war crimes tribunal since 2001.

He was on trial on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity for his alleged central role in the wars in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo during the 1990s.

He also faced genocide charges over the 1992-95 Bosnia war, in which 100,000 people died.

Correspondents say the tribunal&#39;s monitoring of inmates is under scrutiny because Mr Milosevic&#39;s death came within a week of the suicide of a former rebel Croatian Serb leader, Milan Babic.

Funeral questions

Both Mr Milosevic&#39;s widow Mirjana Markovic and son Marko have blamed the tribunal for his death.

They are living in Moscow and both face fraud charges in Serbia, so it is not yet clear whether Mr Milosevic&#39;s funeral will take place in his homeland.

His daughter Marija, now living in Montenegro, would also face criminal charges in Serbia.

On Sunday, Serbian television reported an official statement by President Boris Tadic saying that the indictments against members of Slobodan Milosevic&#39;s immediate family were still valid and would not be lifted.

Few Serbs lament the passing of Mr Milosevic and there is a debate about whether to accord him the honours befitting a former president, says the BBC&#39;s Matt Prodger in Belgrade.

Serbian state television led its bulletins on Sunday with the memorial service for the reformist Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic, who was assassinated exactly three years ago. His government sent Mr Milosevic to The Hague.



MILOSEVIC TRIAL FACTS
295 witnesses testified
5,000 exhibits presented in court
466 days of hearings

CHARGES AGAINST MILOSEVIC
Genocide, relating to the massacre in Srebrenica, Bosnia
Crimes against humanity, relating to Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo
Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, relating to Bosnia and Croatia
Violations of the laws or customs of war, relating to Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo

[Qen]

Montenegro is clearing independence on the 21st, and hopefully Kosovo will do the same, I also hope that Vojvodina will clear independence too.

I quess Serbia got too greedy, and that was their downfall.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

INTERFAX

11 March 2006, 17:32.

Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation regrets that the Hague
Tribunal did not permit Milosevic to come to Moscow for Treatment.

11 March. INTERFAX – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia on
Saturday expressed regret in connection with the fact that the
international tribunal on former Yugoslavia (ITFY) denied ex-President
Slobodan Milosevic the possibility to receive medical treatment in
Moscow. "As is known, in connection with a deterioration of his health
status, S. Milosevic filed a request for medical treatment in Russia.
Russian doctors were ready to render appropriate assistance to him
while Russian authorities guaranteed fulfillment of all the necessary
requirements of the ITFY in that connection. Unfortunately, in spite
of our guarantees, the tribunal did not agree to grant S. Milosevic
the possibility of treatment in Russia", said a statement by the
Russian Foreign Ministry, posted on the website of the Russian foreign
policy department on Saturday.

http://www.interfax.ru/r/B/politics/2.html?id_issue=477154

[piet11111]

the drug in question is rifampicine.
the dutch news report is as such (well teletext but thats managed by the dutch newsagency&#39;s)
this particular drug negates the effects of bloodpressure medicine.

perhaps this situation does indeed stink.

[dannie]

Originally posted by CompañeroDeLibertad+Mar 12 2006, 09:27 PM--> (CompañeroDeLibertad &#064; Mar 12 2006, 09:27 PM) INTERFAX

...
11 March. INTERFAX – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia on
Saturday expressed regret in connection with the fact that the
international tribunal on former Yugoslavia (ITFY) denied ex-President
Slobodan Milosevic the possibility to receive medical treatment in
Moscow. "As is known, in connection with a deterioration of his health
status, S. Milosevic filed a request for medical treatment in Russia.
... [/b]

This was denied because supposedly the same treatment could be given in Holland, and if it couldn&#39;t, specialist were permited to treat him in Holland. Whether or not he got it is a different question. I&#39;ll look up a source for this one.

Dragan Zelenovic was arrested in Russia and is a suspect of mass rape in Eastern Bosnia in a place called Foca, but Russia refuses to send him to Den Haag, making it practicly imposibble for the Tribunal to trust Russia enough.


http://www.dtt&#045;net.com/en/index.php?page=view&#045;article&article=1149&CMSSESSID=540d472102af6958bd2bc0a7089a7cdf


“The Request is DENIED”, said the decision of Trial Chamber of International Criminal Tribunal for crimes in former Yugoslavia (ICTY).

“Assigned Counsel has made no real attempt to demonstrate that the Accused’s medical needs cannot be met in the Netherlands. The Chamber considers that an application for provisional release on medical grounds cannot be granted…” the Trial Chamber said.
However it added that it “accepts the submission of the Prosecution, that if the Accused wishes to be treated by specialists who are not from the Netherlands such physicians may come here to treat him.”
Milosevic’s lawyers have requested last month that Milosevic goes in Bakoulev Center in Moscow for cardiovascular treatment, following Russia’s government guaranties offered to the ICTY.

on the arrest of Dragan Zelenovic:
(notice the date of the article)
http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2005/p1000-e.htm




UTRECHT - 24/02/06
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The tribunal is already waiting for months in the case of Dragan Zelenovic, an officer of the Bosnian-Serbian military police force that is suspected of crimes against humanity at the raid of the Bosnian city Foca in 1992, that he will be sent from Russia to The Hague.
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Translated from http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbuit/502359.htm

[Niall]

just a pity he never really faced justice. Maybe in hell.........

[321zero]

How was the Albanian side &#39;more imperialist&#39;?

The KLA was spotting for NATO bombers. Prior to the NATO intervention the Kosovan right to independence would still have been valid. Afterwards... well they&#39;re a NATO protectorate still aren&#39;t they?

[piet11111]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 02:54 PM
just a pity he never really faced justice. Maybe in hell.........
another pity in this case that there is no "god" to condemn slobo to a "hell"

quite strange how most of us being atheïsts suddenly desire a hell to exist specially for the likes of Milošević.

[Djehuti]

One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;
Lukashenko and Ahmadinejad are both elected by their population.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;
"We" killed Ceasescu? Sorry, but I do not consider myself part of a fascist kangaroo court.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Matthijs+Mar 14 2006, 06:20 PM--> (Matthijs @ Mar 14 2006, 06:20 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;
"We" killed Ceasescu? Sorry, but I do not consider myself part of a fascist kangaroo court. [/b]
Yeah, because we all know the Romanian secret police were famous for their use of judicial process.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Mar 14 2006, 06:08 PM--> (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Mar 14 2006, 06:08 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;
Lukashenko and Ahmadinejad are both elected by their population. [/b]
so where milosevic and adolf hitler but that would not save them from execution if we had the chance to execute them.

being elected is no free get out of jail card for whatever genocide you commit.

[YKTMX]

Firstly, Milosevic&#39;s role in the conflict in the Balkans doesn&#39;t come close to complicity in &#39;genocide&#39;.

Secondly, I agree that elected leaders are just as responsible as dictators. However, the list of &#39;bad men&#39; the user posted strangely correlates with the evil-doer list.


Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad?

Where&#39;s Bush, or Blair, or Berlusconi?

Lord knows they&#39;ve been responsible for more crimes tha any of those people.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Mar 14 2006, 07:08 PM--> (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Mar 14 2006, 07:08 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 06:05 PM
One down, plenty to go&#33; Who&#39;s next? Mugabe, al-Bashir, Jong Il, Lukashenko or maybe Ahmadinejad? I&#39;d say kill them all like we killed Ceusescu&#33;
Lukashenko and Ahmadinejad are both elected by their population. [/b]
Maybe, but it doesn&#39;t matter. Many ordinary democratic elected politicians deserve some serious beating to.

Quite OT though. ;)

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 08:19 PM
Where&#39;s Bush, or Blair, or Berlusconi?

Lord knows they&#39;ve been responsible for more crimes tha any of those people.
Sure, they are terrible enough.


"However, the list of &#39;bad men&#39; the user posted strangely correlates with the evil-doer list."

Yes, and I expected reactions. But I though we needed som dictator-bashing (a few even seems to defend some dictators and many don&#39;t attack them as much as they should because "elected politicians are bastartds too", et cetera) on revleft; Bush, Blair and Berlusconi have had their share allready, and they surely deservs all shit they can get.

Bash them all.

[вор в законе]

This (http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAFC7.htm) is an interesting read.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 06:22 PM
Yeah, because we all know the Romanian secret police were famous for their use of judicial process.
I never claimed such a thing. If anything, to prefer the murder of a repressive leader by a fascist court, to the repressions committed by that leader, is hypocrisy.


Sure, they are terrible enough.


"However, the list of &#39;bad men&#39; the user posted strangely correlates with the evil-doer list."

Yes, and I expected reactions. But I though we needed som dictator-bashing (a few even seems to defend some dictators and many don&#39;t attack them as much as they should because "elected politicians are bastartds too", et cetera) on revleft; Bush, Blair and Berlusconi have had their share allready, and they surely deservs all shit they can get.

Bash them all.
It&#39;s shocking that someone who is in the CC, probably doesn&#39;t even know what "imperialism" means.

Red Brigade: that&#39;s a GREAT article, it expresses my viewpoint on this matter quite well. Thanks for posting it.

[Djehuti]

I know what imperialism is, and I am of cource against it. I&#39;m not really sure though where your critique points. I will have to guess, and my answer would in that case be that I&#39;m one of those "ultra-leftists"; I don&#39;t support nationalism against imperialism. I support the working class and the communist movement.

[Janus]

BBC News update

The body of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has been released by officials at the war crimes tribunal at The Hague, three days after his death.
The body will stay overnight at the morgue at Amsterdam airport, but it remains unclear where it will go next.

Belgrade has said Mr Milosevic can be buried in Serbia, but his son Marko suggested Moscow as an alternative.

Mr Milosevic, who led Serbia through the Balkan wars of the 1990s, died of a heart attack in his cell, aged 64.
At about 1730 GMT, a minivan carrying the body of Mr Milosevic was seen leaving the forensic institute where the autopsy was carried out.

It arrived at Amsterdam&#39;s Schiphol airport shortly afterwards.

Marko Milosevic - who flew to The Hague from Moscow to collect the body - left the institute earlier.

He has said he believed his father was murdered and has also accused Belgrade of trying to block his father&#39;s burial in Serbia.

Surrender passport

A court in Serbia on Tuesday suspended an arrest warrant against Mr Milosevic&#39;s widow, Mira Markovic, potentially allowing her to return if his funeral is held in Belgrade.

She has been living in self-imposed exile in Russia, fearing arrest on fraud charges if she returns.
A statement by the court in Belgrade said: "The presiding judge in the case has accepted the guarantees offered so that Mirjana Markovic... will not be arrested in accordance with the warrants issued against her."

But it said she must surrender her passport on arrival and appear before a judge in connection with the fraud charges on 23 March.

"The accused remains free as long as she responds to the court&#39;s summons," a spokeswoman said. "Otherwise she will be arrested and detained."

Lawyers have posted a bond worth &#036;18,000 (£10,000) to guarantee Mira Markovic&#39;s appearance in court to face relatively minor corruption charges.

Police also want to question her about the assassination in 2000 of former Serbian president Ivan Stambolic - a political rival of Mr Milosevic.

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said on Tuesday that the court ruling meant the funeral could take place in Serbia.

Serbian President Boris Tadic told the BBC on Monday it was up to the family to decide where the burial should be held, but ruled out a state funeral in Serbia.

Poison fear

Full results from the tribunal&#39;s autopsy are awaited, but a toxicologist who found traces of drugs in Mr Milosevic&#39;s blood two weeks before his death said they may have neutralised treatment for his heart conditions.
The findings have not been confirmed, but have raised questions over what caused Mr Milosevic&#39;s heart attack.

Before his death, Mr Milosevic alleged in a letter that he was being poisoned. A request to travel for medical treatment to Russia was turned down.

Four Russian doctors were in The Hague to carry out their own medical enquiries, after Moscow said it did not trust the tribunal&#39;s autopsy.

But the Dutch doctor who says he discovered the drugs said he believed Mr Milosevic may have taken them deliberately.

The international war crimes tribunal said Milosevic received competent medical supervision.

The Milosevic case was declared closed at a final hearing by the tribunal on Tuesday.

The full autopsy report is yet to be released