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Global_Justice
11th March 2006, 17:32
there are so many :o

are any of them actually serious? is there any way to find out which is the biggest, like, biggest membership?

please don't call me a reformist :P

Comrada J
12th March 2006, 07:13
reformist

Forward Union
12th March 2006, 11:21
SWP have the most members.

SP are the biggest in terms of resources and influence.

Both are reformist piles of pseudo-capitalist shit.

Socialistpenguin
12th March 2006, 20:56
Both are reformist piles of pseudo-capitalist shit.

Hey, that's not nice! Just because we refused your application! We still love ya though :lol: :P
But yeah, the two that stand out the most are The Socialist Worker's Party (Tony Cliff) and the Socialist Party (First RCP, then Militant, Taaffe). I can't speak for SWP, but the SP are pretty serious on their platform. Teh link: Socialist Party (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk)

Global_Justice
13th March 2006, 11:22
what about RESPECT

Respect
Equality
Socialism
Peace
Enviroment
Community
Trade unionism

Forward Union
14th March 2006, 18:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 11:25 AM
what about RESPECT

Respect
Equality
Socialism
Peace
Enviroment
Community
Trade unionism
no one takes them seriously enough. And their party leader likes Saddam Hussein.

Noah
14th March 2006, 19:13
no one takes them seriously enough. And their party leader likes Saddam Hussein.

Yeah, their party leader has many faults, for example he generalised, us, iraqis on Big Brother.

Xanthus
14th March 2006, 21:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 12:59 PM

Both are reformist piles of pseudo-capitalist shit.

Hey, that's not nice! Just because we refused your application! We still love ya though :lol: :P
But yeah, the two that stand out the most are The Socialist Worker's Party (Tony Cliff) and the Socialist Party (First RCP, then Militant, Taaffe). I can't speak for SWP, but the SP are pretty serious on their platform. Teh link: Socialist Party (http://www.socialistparty.org.uk)
Since the SP is being plugged here, I can't help but also list Socialist Appeal.

In brief, the split between the two occured when Peter Taaffe (a comrade strong in organisation and weak in theory) pulled a classic takeover of Millitant, kicking out it's theoretical leaders such as Ted Grant, Alan Woods, Rob Sewell, and others. Roughly 80 or so of the best cadres of Millitant joined them upon their expulsion and formed Socialist Appeal (http://www.socialist.net/). Since then the SP has fallen greatly in membership, while Socialist Appeal has grown considerably from the modest number who founded it. It's also worth mentioning that the wide majority of the international surrounding Millitant sided with Socialist Appeal.

Although my sympathies clearly lie with Socialist Appeal, who I consider to be vastly superior in their understanding of Marxism, I'm going to refrain from sparking off a sectarian debate on the subject. Of course, the two groups have very different stories about the events which took place surrounding the split. In fairness, here are the two versions of the story. If you're interested in the history of British socialism, please read both and decide for yourself.

Socialist Party's Version (http://www.marxist.net/grantreply/index.html)
Socialist Appeal's Version (http://www.marxist.com/militant-built-destroyed101004.htm)

BOZG
14th March 2006, 22:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:12 PM
It's also worth mentioning that the wide majority of the international surrounding Millitant sided with Socialist Appeal.
I'm not going to go into the SA/SP debate but I'm just interested in hearing how you account for the above aspect of the split. As far as I'm aware, the SP took a much larger chunk of the International.