Revolution

[Ricardo]

I don't know if it should be in this forum, but, I have a few questions regarding revolution, please answer as many as you can or want

1. What is necessary in a society for a revolution to happen?

2. When will it happen?

3. How could there be a peaceful revolution?

4. If violent, who would the communists be fighting? The military? Police? Capitalist supporters?

5.How is it possible to organize the whole world or at least enough to believe in communism to overthrow all the governments in the world?

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

7. After the revolution, will there be free speech, or will we restrict people from agreeing with capitalism?

8. Finally, once the revolution is over, and we live in a communist world, how will things be decided, i know through demorcracy, but will the whole world vote on each issue or what?

Thanks

[piet11111]

1. What is necessary in a society for a revolution to happen?

something resembling the major depression where poeple are laid off and left without food or money or housing

2. When will it happen?

could be soon as western economy's are fragile but i am more counting on atleast 20 years from now

3. How could there be a peaceful revolution?

there wont be a peacefull revolution because we must sieze the means of production and the capitalists wont let us do that

4. If violent, who would the communists be fighting? The military? Police? Capitalist supporters?

all of them but i also expect the foreign capitalists to send troops to kill us

5.How is it possible to organize the whole world or at least enough to believe in communism to overthrow all the governments in the world?

thats not possible because a lot of country's are not advanced enough yet heck some country's are still fuedal systems

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

by shooting them whenever they appear we dont have a choice nor do we even want to have them around

7. After the revolution, will there be free speech, or will we restrict people from agreeing with capitalism?

there will be free speech but if someone is sincere of wanting capitalism he will be at risk of bad things happening to him.

8. Finally, once the revolution is over, and we live in a communist world, how will things be decided, i know through demorcracy, but will the whole world vote on each issue or what?

interesting qestion but we dont know yet.
personally i would put self regulating community's not unlike the city states of greece
in charge of their territory.
but frankly we will have to wait and see what happens when the time comes someone might have a very good idea that works better but one thing is certain and that is that technology will play a huge role in our communist life

[TomRK1089]

Answers, in my opinion:
Severe dissatisfaction among the lower working classes, aided by the idealistic support of a smaller number of middle or upperclassmen--sympathisers, you might say.
Within the next twenty years, I forecast even higher tensions between classes due to the fact that close to 10% of the world population controls 90% of the wealth.
A peaceful revolution will only be possible if demonstratable proof of a better, more equitable system is presented. Even so, it will still be rejected by those who stand to lose more (the opulently wealthy) and therefore, we can expect that we will be met with legislative or possibly armed resistance on the behalf of them. However, we should seek to avoid armed conflict wherever possible.
As I have stated, the new order would be required to fight large megacorporations who may recruit mercenary forces to support their cause. The new order would require support from those who agree with their plan. In this case, the inequality of wealthy and poor is actually an advantage if they can be equipped properly.
An overthrow, hoepfully, would not be strictly necessary, as, I have stated, we would need demonstrative proof of the superiority of the new system. By presenting it effectively to the worl population, the support of a majority could be procured, and in democratic countries, the existing means of referendum and initiative could be used to supplant the new system. However, feudal or dictatorship countries would most likely need to be pressured by economic sanctions or military force in order to acquiese.
Since any person proposing a fascist system would immediately be suspect for wanting the power for himself, public opinion could easily handle him by itself without intervention. However, a reiteration of the success of the current system, contrasted with the failures of capitalism and fascism, as well as the impossibility of procuring arms for a fascist revolution, should serve as a deterrent.
Free speech is a necessity, as we cannot call ourselves superior while denying it. Capitalist ideas will be listened to and rebutted logically by the means above.
aS PIET11111 says, self-regulating communities, which coordinate with each other for large-scale decisions. For a more in-depth explanation of my view of that system, look at the link in my sig.

These are just my opinins on the subject. I hope they are helpful.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 09:48 PM
I don't know if it should be in this forum, but, I have a few questions regarding revolution, please answer as many as you can or want

1. What is necessary in a society for a revolution to happen?

2. When will it happen?

3. How could there be a peaceful revolution?

4. If violent, who would the communists be fighting? The military? Police? Capitalist supporters?

5.How is it possible to organize the whole world or at least enough to believe in communism to overthrow all the governments in the world?

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

7. After the revolution, will there be free speech, or will we restrict people from agreeing with capitalism?

8. Finally, once the revolution is over, and we live in a communist world, how will things be decided, i know through demorcracy, but will the whole world vote on each issue or what?

Thanks
1: I don't believe that the revolution would spring out of depression, povertry or misery, rather the opposite actually. The material conditions has been met in the western world, but we have to counter the capitalist offensive and start our own offensive class struggle.

2: No one could say. Revolutions are quite unpredictable.
I plain guess: It will begin during the 20ies, 15-20 years from now.

3: A peaceful revolution is very unlikely, it won't happen. Still, the stronger we are, the more blood will be shed.

4: The revolution subverts more than it kills, but yes we will fight the bourgeoisie and the loyal hard-core elements of the state.

5: I don't think that everyone have to be communists to fight for communism. Opinions do not always coincide with actions and vice versa. The working class has an interest in abolishing capitalism, we just have to realize our strenght and trust our own ability.

6: With our own class dictatorship, our organized defense of the revolution. But most important: the capitalists are nothing without us, they are defined out of their relations to us, the working class. A capitalist without a worker is not a capitalist at all.
Our most important task is to abolish ourselves as wage labourers.

7: Free speach I would say.

8: No, that does not seem likely, and not necessary either. I would say that there won't be a division between decisions and action. By the way, check out:
http://www.riff-raff.se/en/7/undemocracy.php

[Connolly]

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

by shooting them whenever they appear we dont have a choice nor do we even want to have them around

:lol: :lol: :lol: holy f**k thats funny!!!

Nice answer comrade!! A little barbaric though.

your answer reminds me of some film with a bunch of mutant zombies trying to take us over - shoot anything that moves!!! :lol

[Dyst]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 12 2006, 10:45 PM

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

by shooting them whenever they appear we dont have a choice nor do we even want to have them around

:lol: :lol: :lol: holy f**k thats funny!!!

Nice answer comrade!! A little barbaric though.

your answer reminds me of some film with a bunch of mutant zombies trying to take us over - shoot anything that moves!!! :lol
Haha. It's like videogames, shoot whoever appears on the screen! Is it a fascist? Shoot! Cappie? Shoot!! Civilian? Hold your fire! Recharge!

[American_Lenin]

the "govenrment" will have have to be organized all the way to the neighborhood level

Each neighborhood will have a comitee of all its members that vote once a week on certain issues.
they will elect a someone to go to the town council
the town council will elect someone to the Republic one
they will elect someone to the national one

there will be no one leader in the national one but the most devoted to Socialism of all the Republics

There should be a court of Commissars maybe a hundred or so that vetos laws passed by the national council and also reviews its members every so often

[Ricardo]

alright thanks for the help

[Grava]

for the last question I think a bicameral or a tricameral system would work.

[Orthodox Marxist]

1. What is necessary in a society for a revolution to happen?

2. When will it happen?

3. How could there be a peaceful revolution?

4. If violent, who would the communists be fighting? The military? Police? Capitalist supporters?

5.How is it possible to organize the whole world or at least enough to believe in communism to overthrow all the governments in the world?

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

7. After the revolution, will there be free speech, or will we restrict people from agreeing with capitalism?

8. Finally, once the revolution is over, and we live in a communist world, how will things be decided, i know through demorcracy, but will the whole world vote on each issue or what?


1. According to Marx a crisis in the capitalist system such as famine,disease,war etc will lead to a revolutionary stance taken by the working class.

2. No one can predict the course revolution will take it is dependant on many factors within a given society and it may vary in form depending on these factors.

3. In my opinion there cannot be a peaceful revolution a reformist would tell you there can be but they are dillusional to assume that the ruling class will permit anything but minor change.

4. Any of them who would stand in our way.

5. Your question is one for an international permanent revolution which is currently out of the question as many societies are not yet ready for such a massive undertaking. However revolution in one country and its ability to influence the working class in other countries is a real possibility.

6. There's no one simple answer to this one some would say execute those groups of people that try to rise again and attempt to seize power. Exile is also a valid option as is re-education.

7. Free speech would be a given our society must be ultra democratic people would have the right to agree with whatever they so choose to agree with. However they would not have the power to change anything and any violent action taken would immediately warrant reprisal.

8. There are many different answers to this question I would say we should organize ourselves through workers councils.

[Mariam]

[/QUOTE]
1. What is necessary in a society for a revolution to happen?

2. When will it happen?

3. How could there be a peaceful revolution?

4. If violent, who would the communists be fighting? The military? Police? Capitalist supporters?

5.How is it possible to organize the whole world or at least enough to believe in communism to overthrow all the governments in the world?

6. If the capitalist governments are over thrown how do we keep fascists or capitalists from rising again?

7. After the revolution, will there be free speech, or will we restrict people from agreeing with capitalism?

8. Finally, once the revolution is over, and we live in a communist world, how will things be decided, i know through demorcracy, but will the whole world vote on each issue or what?
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These are what i think suitable answers to your questions:
* A crisis, a strong will among the working class, and a great leadership.
* It's hard to say.... but i dont think that a crisis must be the ignition of a revolution.
* I don't think that there is a peaceful revolution.
*[QUOTE] Any of them who would stand in our way.
* Globelization.
* Unification of all Communists.
* Free speech.
* No comment!! I think it's to early to decide how things are going to be.
But it's certainly through democracy ( not procedural democracy.)

[Floyce White]

1. The lower class must organize itself to do so. This organization takes the form of a worldwide political party, and of workplace, school, military base, and neighborhood unions. The self-organization of the working class coincides with here-and-now actions to achieve useful and needed reforms (such as the end of a war). Lower-class self-organization occurs wherever they are struggling.

2. It will happen when lower-class people do the action that makes it happen.

3. There cannot be a peaceful revolution. It is necessary to suppress property exchange and to impose sharing.

4. Yes, we will fight them and their capitalist masters too.

5. "The whole world" doesn't make communist revolution--the dispossessed class does. It is possible for the working class to organize itself by actually taking actions to organize overtly political, economic, and social struggle. There are billions of lower-class people. Many will become activists. You are not all alone in this as the capitalists try to make you think.

6. Make it absolutely clear that once they surrender, they will be allowed to live, but any resistance whatsoever afterwards will be killed immediately.

7. See #6.

8. People will decide what they do as they do it. There will be no politics, therefore no special decision-making proceses.

You're welcome.