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Cult of Reason
7th March 2006, 22:29
I am wondering what organisations and what leftist tendencies this song is most associated with? Primarily Leninist? Non-Leninist? What?

Edelweiss
8th March 2006, 00:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 11:29 PM
I am wondering what organisations and what leftist tendencies this song is most associated with? Primarily Leninist? Non-Leninist? What?
It's an traditional song by the Italian socialists, Wikipedia Italy says it was written in 1908, so before most communists splits, therefore I guess it's safe to say that it's a song associated with the whole communist/socialist movement in general, although it has been modified many times throughout the years, I would say it's really only the first phrase which is universally used, often with "Evviva il sociaslismo et a libertà" instead of "Evviva il comunismo e la libertà" though. The following version is indeed a Leninist version, see the last line.

Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa, Bandiera rossa
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva il comunismo e la libertà.

Degli sfruttati l'immensa schiera
La pura innalzi, rossa bandiera.
O proletari, alla riscossa
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Il frutto del lavoro a chi lavora andrà.

Dai campi al mare, alla miniera,
All'officina, chi soffre e spera,
Sia pronto, è l'ora della riscossa.
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Soltanto il comunismo è vera libertà.

Non più nemici, non più frontiere:
Sono i confini rosse bandiere.
O comunisti, alla riscossa,
Bandiera rossa trionferà.

Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Bandiera rossa la trionferà
Evviva Lenin, la pace e la libertà.

Cult of Reason
8th March 2006, 01:56
Thankyou. One more thing: does this include Anarchism as part of the Communist/Socialist movement?

Hehe, I have just realised that the vast majority of the music on my playlist if from before WW2! :o

Edelweiss
8th March 2006, 02:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 02:56 AM
Thankyou. One more thing: does this include Anarchism as part of the Communist/Socialist movement?

Hehe, I have just realised that the vast majority of the music on my playlist if from before WW2! :o
Clearly not. "Bandiera Rossa" means "red flag", which 99% of all anarchists wouldn't associate themself with I guess.

Cult of Reason
8th March 2006, 19:09
Oh, OK. I asked this because I have read that a few Anarchists, eg. Kropotkin, actually preferred the red flag.