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state's fiend
6th March 2006, 17:15
Wonder if any of you posters wrote it.---- It's a damn good piece of work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

LoneRed
6th March 2006, 19:29
ya it is quite good, but i dont know why they have the bakunin quote in there, as it obviosuly shows that bakunin didnt correctly understand the term "dictatorship of the proletariat"

Ol' Dirty
6th March 2006, 21:26
I can't believe the neutrality is disputed! Great piece of work.

Floyce White
9th March 2006, 05:15
Wikipedia is a disreputable source. Not only does it change without rhyme or reason, but there are actual "Wiki wars" to change content.

What's worse, the stated intent of Wikipedia is to reinforce authoritative opinion. Communism is one of those subjects that can be understood and stated only by the common folk as they reflect upon their lives. The whole concept of authoritative revolutionary thought is an oxymoron.

Ol' Dirty
10th March 2006, 18:28
Wikipedia is a disreputable source.

That's a shity opinion. Personally, I love Wikipedia.


Not only does it change without rhyme or reason,

Which allows it to change its content more often, making it better.


but there are actual "Wiki wars" to change content.

Democracy in action, bud.

It's rather ironic to say that Wikipedia is "disreputable", esspecially in this forum, as it is, in fact, an experiment with electronic socio-anarchy and self-governance ( :rolleyes: ); it really astounds me when leftists say they dislike Wikepedia, when it is what they've been speaking of for decades: a classless, egalitarian, anti-authoritarian, intelecual society. :lol:

I find it rather humorous!

Floyce White
14th March 2006, 04:33
I am not a leftist.

It is disreputable of someone to quote a source that will have different information than that which he or she is using to prove a point. That is the "disrepute." It has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement with the information being cited.

chimx
15th March 2006, 06:45
it is someone disreputable for citation in formal writing, but up until 5 years ago, so was any source gathered off the internet. the tides are changing and no doubt wikipedia will become more reputable in the eyes of many scholars in the upcoming years.

Floyce White
22nd March 2006, 03:31
No. You still don't get what I mean.

Let's say you find a quote on Wikipedia to prove that the Blue Smurf is a communist. You quote it and show the source of the quote on your paper.

Then somebody comes along and deletes the quote before anybody gets to check it. Or even worse--someome puts up a different article that proves the Blue Smurf is a fascist.

Now someone reads your paper and checks your sources. Bingo! You are proven a liar.

THAT'S what I mean by "disreputable."

Eleutherios
22nd March 2006, 06:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 06:31 PM
It's rather ironic to say that Wikipedia is "disreputable", esspecially in this forum, as it is, in fact, an experiment with electronic socio-anarchy and self-governance ( :rolleyes: ); it really astounds me when leftists say they dislike Wikepedia, when it is what they've been speaking of for decades: a classless, egalitarian, anti-authoritarian, intelecual society. :lol:
Quite the contrary. There are admins who have authority over others and over the content of the encyclopedia.

The biggest problem with the Wikipedia, I think, is its striving for a neutral point of view. I don't really think such a thing is possible or desirable. For instance, Wikipedia must present all viewpoints practiced by a significant number of people as potentially true, even if they are demonstrably wrong. Thus the article about Holocaust denial has to be carefully worded so as to not openly state the demonstrable fact that the Holocaust happened. The article about intelligent design cannot state the demonstrable fact that it is not a scientific theory. Instead "both sides of the issue" must be treated equally with equal space and an equal number of arguments, even though the evidence is very one-sided. However, in other articles it is standard procedure to explicitly state that the Holocaust or evolution happened, thus negating their pretention of presenting all points of view equally.

Of course it would be a waste to include in every article about a Holocaust victim "some people don't believe this story is authentic because they claim the Holocaust never happened, however is a large body of historical evidence suggesting otherwise..." It would also be a waste to include creationist viewpoints in every article about geology, astronomy or biology. It is far better to just ignore the Holocaust deniers and the creationists, explaining things according to the known facts instead. If you're writing in a factual manner, you have to ignore those points of view which are plainly wrong. And that means discriminating between people's points of view. You can't possibly present things in an objective manner while treating all beliefs equally, since many people's beliefs conflict with objective truth.

Commie Rat
1st April 2006, 10:00
No. You still don't get what I mean.

Let's say you find a quote on Wikipedia to prove that the Blue Smurf is a communist. You quote it and show the source of the quote on your paper.

Then somebody comes along and deletes the quote before anybody gets to check it. Or even worse--someome puts up a different article that proves the Blue Smurf is a fascist.

Now someone reads your paper and checks your sources. Bingo! You are proven a liar.

No. Your information and sources are correct, at the time of printing.
any changes after that you have no control over and thus not your fault.

The artical is exellent btw