Hi! I'm New

[Sulladon]

Greetings, comrades :D . I've been reading posts on this site for around a week now, and decided it was time I made a contribution.

I suppose I should give a little info about myself.

I'm a 17 year old student from the UK, and at the moment I consider myself a libertarian communist, although truth be told I havn't been looking deeply into politics for very long, and i might not know the full picture. However, thus far my views resemble that particular ideology, so for now I'm a libertarian, tommorrow that might not be the case, we'll see :P

I havn't been very politically active, yet. It's early days for me however, and I intend to become more active in the future.

Also, something I am very interested in seeing a reaction to, I am a pedophile :o , a girl lover specifically. NOT a child molester, there is a difference, despite the media's poor use of terminology. The definition of a pedophile is someone who is sexually and emotionally attracted to children :wub: :blush: . Most child abusers arn't infact pedophiles, they are people who cannot satisfy their sexual urges elsewhere for whatever reason, and so they prey on children.

That's all I have time for at the moment, until next time, comrades. :)

[AdamCecil]

Well, technically, aren't all teens pedophiles?

Welcome, anyway.

[Omar-forever]

Dear Sulladon,
I personally find pedophiles utterly disgusting and anti social. :blink:
Your Views are also very centre left.
Who are you motivated by?

[Sulladon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 02:56 AM
Well, technically, aren't all teens pedophiles?

Welcome, anyway.
I can't remember what the precise definition of pedophilia is, but it is certainly not "normal" for someone my age to have sexual fantasies involving 6 year old girls :wub: .


Dear Sulladon,
I personally find pedophiles utterly disgusting and anti social.
Your Views are also very centre left.
Who are you motivated by?

I have not broken any laws involving my pedophilia, therefore I should have nothing to hide. I didn't choose to have these feelings, but I do. However, because of how society views us, we have to keep it hidden, for fear of the ridicule and harassment we may receive. There are a good number of people who would burn us at the stake if it were legal. We may find children attractive, but that doesn't mean we are a danger to them. Some may be, as some heterosexual men are a danger to women, but in general this isn't the case. We are punished for crimes we have never commited.

We can live our lives without telling anyone, but I doubt this has healthy psychological effects. Fortunately for me, I am also attracted to adult women, but there are those who are exclusively attracted to children, meaning they usually go through life unfulfilled.

I'm not trying to legalise having sex with children :unsure: , I just want us to be treated as people, and not as criminals.

Society prevents us from speaking out, even leftists and previously scapegoated groups such as homosexuals rarely side with us, although it is the side of reason. The media make things worse by mixing the meanings of words like 'pedophile' and 'child molester'.

I am only asking for something that we should have already. There is no more logic in calling someone disgusting due to their sexual preference than there is in racism or sexism. :(

[Goatse]

Welcome. Enjoy your stay, and please don't feed the anarchists.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Ermm.. well.. that was just plain out weird, but hey. A few questions:
-Do you ever intend to have sex with a child, or would you like to?
-Do you think you could spend your entire life without having sex with children and not be frustrated about it?
-Do you think you will be able to function normally within society?
-Do you believe a 6 year-old would be capable of agreeing into having sex with someone?

Sorry if these questions sound somewhat awkward, but this is a pretty strange situation. :unsure:

[LoneRed]

I agree with scottish pinko, dont feed the anarchies

[Sulladon]

-Do you ever intend to have sex with a child, or would you like to?

I would certainly like to :blush: but it would really depend on what you consider a 'child'. I think that puberty is a clear biological signal that the body is ready. I would not think of having sex with a 6 year old, even if she tried to initiate it. Although I am very skeptical about claims that consensual sexual intercourse at a young age is psychologically damaging, but there is the obvious physical problems with size differences and there is a chance it will do more harm than good, not worth the risk imo. Myself and others think that the major psychological damage done by adult-child relationships is if they are discovered, and society puts the child in therapy where they attempt to convince the child that they were abused. Obviously, I am completely against rape or any form of manipulation, but I believe that children are capable of deciding if they want to have sex long before society says they gain that ability. Odd that society thinks that a 12 year old is responsible for their crimes, but not capable of making a decision when it comes to sex :blink:

I see no risks with having an intimate relationship that doesn't involve sexual intercourse with a young girl, I can imagine the proximity to another human being that isn't one of their parents to be quite beneficial.


-Do you think you could spend your entire life without having sex with children and not be frustrated about it?

Well as I said, I am attracted to adults aswell as children. I might find some little girls to be beautiful, but no more so than I find some adult women to be equally so. I am perfectly capable of having relationships with people my own age, so I could live life without telling anyone about my pedophilia and it wouldn't be too much of a pain. However, others are not as lucky as I, and i find it odd that I should have to hide it in the first place :(


-Do you think you will be able to function normally within society?

Hopefully, now that I realise that there is nothing wrong with my sexuality. I no longer think that i'm doomed to become a child molesting monster, as the media led me and others to believe.

-
Do you believe a 6 year-old would be capable of agreeing into having sex with someone?

Yes, I think they are capable of making that decision given the facts. As I've already said however, it would be best, for their sake, to wait until they are older.


Sorry if these questions sound somewhat awkward, but this is a pretty strange situation.

Hehe, I can hardly say 'hi, I'm a pedophile, pleased to meet you' without expecting awkward responses :P

[Janus]

Pedophilia is defined as being primarily or exclusively attracted to prepubescents.

Here are the APA's guidelines for it:
"Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A."

I really don't know why you had to come onto RevLeft and discuss this touchy issue. You should seek some kind of therapy for this problem

[Sulladon]

I really don't know why you had to come onto RevLeft and discuss this touchy issue. You should seek some kind of therapy for this problem

This problem with society will never be solved if people refuse to talk about it.
Some psychologists wanted pedophilia to be classed as a sexual orientation rather than a mental illness, but there was a public outcry and they had their funding cut. :angry: There is something wrong with that :(

The only therapy available is to help prevent us from acting on our urges, which is an insult. If it were publically known that I am a pedophile I would be pressured into therapy, but it would do more harm than good, I can control myself thank you very much.

Funny how conservative propaganda has brainwashed even some leftists, if you take a step back and look at this from a less biased point of view, I'm sure your perception of it would change.

[Janus]

Funny how conservative propaganda has brainwashed even some leftists, if you take a step back and look at this from a less biased point of view, I'm sure your perception of it would change.
No, it's not conservative propaganda. Pedophilia usually refers to an adult's sexual preference for a prepubescent child. Since pre-pubescent children can easil be mainpulated, it is generally considered sexual child abuse. Anti-pedophilia isn't reactionary propaganda.

Communism isn't about self-liberation in everything.

[Sulladon]

Since pre-pubescent children can easil be mainpulated, it is generally considered sexual child abuse.

Why do people think this? Have they seen any decent research results? It is only assumed to be abuse because some people decided they didn't like it some years ago. The media fueled the flames of hysteria and now most people think its wrong without having any evidence whatsoever to back up their claims. It just is isn't an arguement. People like to think that children are innocent and pure, too stupid to make decisions for themselves, and that sex is something unclean that will soil them.

As I said, I wouldn't consider having a sexual relationship with a prepubescent child. But I would have a consensual romance with one younger than that. :wub:

Remember, I didn't choose to have these feelings. There are millions of others like me who have to remain in the dark. :(

[LoneRed]

wait i didnt catch something, how old are you?

[RebelOutcast]

You don't need to feed the anarchists, they are predators and will feed themselves on the refuse of the board; Nazis, cappies, religious nuts, socialists :P

[AdamCecil]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 07:03 PM
wait i didnt catch something, how old are you?
He is 17, I think.

But seriously, I'm thirteen, and a girl I like is 12. So under the guidlines, I would almost be a pedophile. Damn. I almost got to be classified and be degraded by society.

[LoneRed]

your 13? damn kid. If he is 17 it isnt pedophilia unless, hes going for like under 15 yr olds. in which case is quite gross

[AdamCecil]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 11:05 PM
your 13? damn kid.
Don't really know what to make of that.

[C_Rasmussen]

Why would you come out in your FIRST FEW POSTS with something like that? I mean wouldn't you want to wait for the people to get to know how you are and even then leak subtle hints?

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 12:05 PM
You don't need to feed the anarchists, they are predators and will feed themselves on the refuse of the board; Nazis, cappies, religious nuts, socialists :P
You must mean "Carrion Feeder" then :lol:

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Sulladon
Remember, I didn't choose to have these feelings. There are millions of others like me who have to remain in the dark.

You deserve to be locked up in a work-camp, and will be locked up in a work-camp after the revolution.

Either that or go see a shrink now.

[LoneRed]

I commented with that 13 comment, as ive never seen a 13 yr old, have as much amount of respectability as you do, kudos. and to the pedo, i mean you seriously need to get checked

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Calm down, everyone, Sulladon has not broken any rules as far as I can tell. Please put down the tar and feathers. Paedophiles exist, that is undeniable. So why is it so shocking when someone comes out and says that they are one?

Although I must ask Sulladon why he chose to speak up about it?


You deserve to be locked up in a work-camp, and will be locked up in a work-camp after the revolution.

That makes you no better than the head of a Victorian mental asylum, you know that?

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by NoXion
That makes you no better than the head of a Victorian mental asylum, you know that?

I don't care.

Sorry for believing that pedophilia is a psychological disorder which endangers innocent children...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Marxism-Leninism+Mar 8 2006, 06:15 PM--> (Marxism-Leninism @ Mar 8 2006, 06:15 PM)
NoXion
That makes you no better than the head of a Victorian mental asylum, you know that?

I don't care.

Sorry for believing that pedophilia is a psychological disorder which endangers innocent children... [/b]
You don't send people with psychological disorders to work camps, you fucking moron.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by NoXion
You don't send people with psychological disorders to work camps

Actually, I never said the work-camp wouldn't have a shrink in it.

In a Socialist society either you work or you starve, pedophiles have to be sent to a work-camp where they will work outside of society, and receive psychiatric treatment.


you fucking moron.

I have PM'ed LSD and you will receive a warning point for this.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Marxism-Leninism+Mar 8 2006, 06:22 PM--> (Marxism-Leninism @ Mar 8 2006, 06:22 PM)
NoXion
You don't send people with psychological disorders to work camps

Actually, I never said the work-camp wouldn't have a shrink in it. [/b]

Hey, backpedalling! Who'da thunk it? :mellow:


I have PM'ed LSD and you will receive a warning point for this.

Get a life.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by NoXion
Hey, backpedalling!

Not really.


Get a life.

Says the person who flames on internet message boards.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Not really.

You know damn well what comes to people's minds when one says "work camp"


Says the person who flames on internet message boards.

This coming from a person who gets upset when total strangers over the internet flame him? Pathetic.

[Hegemonicretribution]

ML, you were bordering on flaming NoXion as well, it would be nice if everyone could forget this? ;)

Perhaps this thread should be closed, the member is restricted, and there is a thread on paedophillia in discrimination for further debate?

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by NoXion+--> (NoXion)You know damn well what comes to people's minds when one says "work camp"[/b]

You, one person, are not 'people's', and frankly I don't care what comes to your mind when I say work-camp.

Also, there are various forms of work-camps, I merely used the basic form 'work-camp', I didn't elaborate on what kind of work-camp I meant, you, and possibly others, jumped to conclusions, probably thinking of the Gulags.

That's your problem, not mine.


This coming from a person who gets upset when total strangers over the internet flame him?

I didn't get upset, if I got upset I probably would have flamed you back or something, but guess what; I don't care.

However, when you, a person I dislike, gets a warning point for doing something which is against the rules, I am pleased.

Maybe you should think before you flame random members, thinking that you're a god because you're a mod.

Also, flaming doesn't really help your arguments, there was already a discussion on the issue of flaming a few months back, guess what, the majority of the CC voted in rules to prevent people like you (who have no real life and can only 'talk big' to people over the internet) from getting their 'kicks'.

You're getting a warning point, live with it.


Hegemonicretribution
ML, you were bordering on flaming NoXion as well, it would be nice if everyone could forget this?

No I wasn't, what the hell are you talking about?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You, one person, are not 'people's', and frankly I don't care what comes to your mind when I say work-camp.

So much for the Marxist regard for history then. Every "work camp" that has ever existed in history has been a total shithole.


Also, there are various forms of work-camps, I merely used the basic form 'work-camp', I didn't elaborate on what kind of work-camp I meant, you, and possibly others, jumped to conclusions, probably thinking of the Gulags.

Changing it's name doesn't change what it is. A turd would still stink like shit if you called it a rose, and "work camps" would be no different.


I didn't get upset, if I got upset I probably would have flamed you back or something, but guess what; I don't care.

Then why sic the admins on me if you don't care?


However, when you, a person I dislike, gets a warning point for doing something which is against the rules, I am pleased.

So you do care! You're just too chickenshit to admit it.


Maybe you should think before you flame random members, thinking that you're a god because you're a mod.

I have always been like this, modhood doesn't change that.


Also, flaming doesn't really help your arguments, there was already a discussion on the issue of flaming a few months back, guess what, the majority of the CC voted in rules to prevent people like you (who have no real life and can only 'talk big' to people over the internet) from getting their 'kicks'.

I don't flame to help my arguments, I flame because the imbeciles I'm speaking to deserve it.


You're getting a warning point, live with it.

Which I am going to contest.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by NoXion
Which I am going to contest.

Moderators

All moderators can be warned for flaming and are subject to RevLeft guidelines. Moderators are removed as moderator after 3 warning points and subject to the same consequences as all other members after 5.

There is one administrator (Lysergic Acid Diethylamide) who deals with this issue so if you have been flamed by a moderator or you have seen someone else getting flamed you can report them to Lysergic Acid Diethylamide and he decide on giving the warning.

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=41750

You flamed, you will be warned, contest all you want, it won't help.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Just because you run squealing like a stuck pig to LSD doesn't mean it's cut and dried.

We shall see.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 06:02 PM
Although I must ask Sulladon why he chose to speak up about it?
Maybe I'm just being highly cynical but I suspect that Sulladon here is some capi engaging in commie baiting. I mean how often do you hear conversations start with "Hi, I'm X and I'm a paedophile".

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by ComradeOm+Mar 8 2006, 07:08 PM--> (ComradeOm @ Mar 8 2006, 07:08 PM)
[email protected] 8 2006, 06:02 PM
Although I must ask Sulladon why he chose to speak up about it?
Maybe I'm just being highly cynical but I suspect that Sulladon here is some capi engaging in commie baiting. I mean how often do you hear conversations start with "Hi, I'm X and I'm a paedophile". [/b]
That is a distinct possibility. But I'm a charitable person so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

[AdamCecil]

When the hell did this turn into a flame war?